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Cliff Lee

Nobody says it better

October 29, 2009

Just re-read Posnanski, and you have to love this quote from Charlie Manuel about Cliff Lee. It is classic Manuel, no?
"Most of the time when he starts a game, and he's in control of the game, and everything around it he's controlling — he's throwing strikes and he's getting the ball, what I call he [...]

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Cliff Lee's oblivious to it all

October 29, 2009

OK … so Cliff Lee won the first game of the World Series and looked pretty good doing it.
OK … he looked great doing it.
OK … he dominated. I mean … 10 strikeouts … a complete game, the first in a World Series since 1995. Pretty good.
And … yes … he used to pitch for [...]

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The new Steve Carlton used to pitch in Cleveland

October 19, 2009

That guy who pitched the shutout for the Philadelphia Phillies last night was some guy named Lee. Said Pedro Martinez of him: “Cliff is some kind of phenom.  It’s just something beautiful to watch. From the outside, especially, when you can see the little details. See, pitching is like an art. And Cliff is actually [...]

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You might have heard of these guys

October 8, 2009

CC Sabathia wins the first game for the Yankees. Cliff Lee pitches a complete game for Philadelphia. Braylon Edwards heads to the Jets. Only from Cleveland.

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Some numbers related to the Indians

August 27, 2009

Carlos Carrasco is 4-1 with a 3.57 ERA with Columbus since he was acquired in the Cliff Lee trade. Carrasco has six walks and 33 strikeouts in 35 1/3 innings, and opponents are hitting .205 against him.  This sounds like the work of a future ace. Only problem is the ace the Indians traded – [...]

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One team is happy with the trade

August 20, 2009

Cliff Lee has had four starts in Philadelphia. He’s thrown two complete games, pitched seven innings in one game and eight in the other two. In going 4-0 for the Phillies on Wednesday, Lee threw 106 pitches, 81 strikes, and struck out a career-high 11.
These guys the Indians acquired best pan out.

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Key to Indians moves with Lee and (possibly) Martinez? Follow the money

July 31, 2009

Peter Gammons wrote about the possible Victor Martinez trade in his Insider column for ESPN, and he wrote as if it was a fait accompli. Gammons also examined the Cliff Lee trade, and when Gammons examines a trade it's worth listening because he is the premier baseball writer of our generation. I'll link to it [...]

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How did the Cliff Lee trade play in Peoria

July 30, 2009

Here's some national takes on the Indians trade of Cliff Lee.
General consensus is that though the Indians got some talent, they didn't get enough for the reigning Cy Young winner, whom they traded for the second year in a row.  Ahem.
SI was positive about the trade. "Those four players should quickly help the depleted Indians [...]

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Will they or won't they?

July 29, 2009

Will they make a trade or won't they? Various reports have the Indians all over the board in possibly dealing Cliff Lee or Victor Martinez. ESPN said the Indians have been very "aggressive" in trade talks about the two. SI says the chances for trading Lee and Victor Martinez have risen. Others have the Indians [...]

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Lot of smoke regarding possible trades of Lee and Martinez

July 23, 2009

Has anyone noticed that Pittsburgh has become a farm team for the Boston Red Sox? Jason Bay went there last year, this season it’s Adam LaRoche. Next season who will it be?
Meanwhile, there's a lot of smoke out there about the Indians, which means there might be a fire somewhere. FOX points out the Indians [...]

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Three make the top 100

July 23, 2009

Grady Sizemore ranks 38, Victor Martinez 51, and Cliff Lee 61 on Joe Posnanski’s list of the top 100 players in baseball. I'd have Sizemore lower and Lee higher. Perhaps they should have swapped spots.

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Is Cliff Lee's short-term future with the Indians?

July 22, 2009

I touched on Cliff Lee in today’s Beacon-Journal, and his name continues to surface in trade rumors. The Indians are in a challenging spot. Trade Lee and they make history by trading reigning Cy Young winners two years in a row. Keep him and he leaves as a free agent after 2010. Trade him and the [...]

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Of matters Indians

July 21, 2009

If you read this blog (and I’m not sure if you do why you do) you know that I have a lot of respect for Anthony Castrovince, who writes about the Indians for Indians.com. His stories have sound news angles, he’s a good writer, and he’s insightful. Castrovince recently took some letters, and in them [...]

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Just click your heels three times …

July 20, 2009

The Dodgers have targeted Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee to bolster their pitching staff. Chances of Lee being traded remain remote — it would take one heck of a deal to compel the Indians to trade their only reliable starting pitcher. I wrote about the Indians situation on Sunday.
The Indians, by the way, privately are [...]

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Why the Indians won't trade Cliff Lee

June 30, 2009

From SI's Jon Heyman: "Even if the Indians are to concede this season, they don't want to concede next year, too."

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Why not let Cliff Lee go nine?

May 20, 2009

Classic second-guess: Should Cliff Lee have started the ninth last night? Now that we know Kerry Wood was not going to succeed, we can yes it should have been Lee. But the problem nowadays is managers are so programmed. The closer pitches the ninth, so he starts the ninth. Me, I don't know what's wrong [...]

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That loud THUD is the Indians

May 20, 2009

Well perhaps last night was the low point for the Cleveland Indians. Rock bottom.
Cliff Lee pitched outstanding, but Kerry Wood – the guy brought in to solve the late-inning problems of a year ago – blew a save and the Indians dropped to 14-26, worst in the American League and better only than the miserable [...]

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Another trade deadline sale?

May 7, 2009

SI's Jon Heyman surmises that "Cliff Lee – from 22-3 last year to 1-4 this year — looks like July trade bait."

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Maybe this jumpstarts the Indians

April 16, 2009

Good for the Indians. They took what could have been a very difficult setting – the first real game in the new Yankee Stadium against CC Sabathia – and turned it into an easy win.
Grady Sizemore hit a grand saluki, or salami, or whatever it is. Victor Martinez had a big game. Jhonny Peralta and [...]

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Cliff Lee wins his 20th game … and the full moon comes out

September 2, 2008

Watching and talking to Cliff Lee after he won his 20th game Monday night was a bit of a strange experience. First, the Indians had a video on the scoreboard congratulating Lee from Gaylord Perry, the team’s last 20-game winner. This was a good idea. But Perry wore a Giants hat. Odd, no?
 
Then Lee went [...]

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