This and that from the Browns 10th loss in 11 games:
—It's official. The Browns are worse than the expansion team of 1999. At this point of the 1999 season the Browns were 2-9. This season's Browns are 1-10. The '99 team had beaten Pittsburgh by this point. This season's team has one more chance to beat the Steelers and win a division game for the first time since 2007.
—That's just not good. At all.
—For some reason that I can't explain to anyone but myself, I would not give up on Brady Quinn despite these gruesome games he's played this season — including Sunday in Cincinnati. I just think that Quinn has been so mishandled that it's impossible to judge him. I'd bring him back next year, try to improve the position and every other position, hire a new coach and start over. This season has been so bad for everyone that it almost seems best to just junk everything that happened and start over.
—I would not, though, draft a quarterback in the first round. I might try to sign a veteran who could help Quinn, a veteran willing to accept his role as the backup. Drafting a quarterback just means more quarterback controversy and more starting over.
—Besides, there's a few other needs on this team.
—There's a belief out there that Quinn would be tailor-made for the West Coast offense. I'm not sure of that, because we've never seen a West Coast offense in Cleveland. But its' nice to think that way.
—Besides, Quinn was the Browns second-leading receiver Sunday with his reception for 18 yards.
—Browns receivers dropped five more passes. "I can always throw a better ball," Brady Quinn said. "I'll say that every week."
—All these comparisons of Quinn to Peyton Manning's first however many starts miss the point to me. Manning, and others, played as rookies. Quinn got to watch and study for two years. A more apt comparison would be Philip Rivers, who watched and studied for two years then quarterbacked San Diego to a 14-2 record. Then again, Rivers had Antonio Gates and LaDainian Tomlinson. Quinn has Greg Estandia and Chris Jennings. Enough said.
—I think this Jerome Harrison experiment can end.
—The Shaun Rogers injury did not look good.
—Nor did the injury to Kenyon Coleman.
—Kamerion Wimbley hurt his knee, but only said he'd know more tomorrow.
—Seeing Cincinnati's rushing total makes me flash back to preseason, when new defensive coordinator Rob Ryan promised: "We will stop the run." Might not be the exact quote, but it was some nonsense like that. The Bengals ran for 210 yards. That's the third time this season the Browns gave up more than 200 yards rushing, and the fifth they gave up more than 170. They are now giving up 159.9 yards per game.
—The Browns players no longer show much emotion after games. They're not blasé, just more numb from all the losing. It's kind of the way the Bengals fans looked when they left. The Browns do that to people, make them numb.
—There's something very odd going on with Brian Robiskie. There's absolutely no reason he should be inactive and a guy who was signed a few days ago would be active. Robiskie should play. He's a second-round pick, and whatever is happening between him and the team needs to end.
How many dozen drops and wrong routes did that Stuckey dude have today? How many dozen dropped passes and wrong routes did that only second-round pick that wasn't deactivated have today. And what's the deal with Furrey? He's now playing cornerback?? You'd think he'd be punished like Robiskie for whatever Robiskie did. Two weeks ago, Matt Millen said a guy who used to play for the Lions told him the situation is far more dysfunctional in Cleveland than Detroit ever was. He didn't identify the guy. Well, since obviously it's not Shaun Rogers who talked to Millen, by process of elimination, it's Furrey who's been badmouthing his boss to the media. What a loyal guy.
Well, the defense played decent again, even though they gave up way too many yards rushing. Still, they had a few nice red zone stops and had some good stops on 3rd down. Giving up only 16 points to the Bengals offense on the road is a pretty good performance. Quinn was very Anderson-like today – short throws were at peoples feet and behind them, and long throws weren't even close many times. He didn't hang in the pocket very well and rushed his throws when he had more time than he thought. He just had happy-feet. This game was alot like the Baltimore game, but at least we put one good drive together and got a TD. 9 point loss on the road against a Bengals team that has also beaten the Steelers and Ravens twice is nothing to be ashamed of, but of course it would have been nice to have better QB play and get the win. The Rogers penalty at the end of the 1st half really killed us since it resulted in a FG. The whole 4th quarter would have been different if we only needed one score to win instead of 2.
mangini's going to have to call out shaun rogers for faking his injury.
I cant take credit for this,it was emailed to me ,but I felt compelled to share it.
If this has appeared somewhere before in the ABJ I apologize for duplicating it.
I am never the first one to hear a story
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Justice in Cleveland , Ohio
Cleveland, OH (AP) – A seven-year old boy was at the center of a Cuyahoga County courtroom drama yesterday when he challenged a court ruling over who should have custody of him.. The boy has a history of being beaten by his parents and the judge initially awarded custody to his aunt, in keeping with child custody law and regulation requiring that family unity be maintained to the highest degree possible..
The boy surprised the court when he proclaimed that his aunt beat him more than his parents and he adamantly refused to live with her. When the judge then suggested that he live with his grandparents, the boy cried and said that they also beat him.
After considering the remainder of the immediate family and learning that domestic violence was apparently a way of life among them, the judge took the unprecedented step of allowing the boy to propose who should have custody of him.
After two recesses to check legal references and confer with the child welfare officials, the judge granted temporary custody to the Cleveland Browns, whom the boy firmly believes are not capable of beating anyone.
Oldest joke in the book, the only thing that's been changed is the name of the courtroom and the name of the team. Come on. Even Carlos Mencia wouldn't stoop to stealing that. On second thought, maybe he would.
Alan
That was the reason for the disclaimer.I have really slow internet and it takes a few years to download the email
And it does ring true
Carlos Mencia should play for the Browns. I don't find them very funny either
This idea that the defense played well is, again, a joke. When you let yourself be buffaloed by how many points they allowed rather than yards allowed (in this case yards rushing), then that is why you are surprised when a Detroit drops 38 on them. Points vary from week to week for a variety of reasons, but the yards allowed week in and week out tell the true tale. Points allowed tell you what happened. Yards allowed tell you what will happen in the future.
The offense was beyond miserable, but the defense contributed to the TOP imbalance by letting the Bengals run wild on them. That chews up clock, leading to drives that take half a quarter. You're not going to get too many points that way, but you will take away opportunities for the other team's offense to get back on the field.
It's a concerted team effort when you are this bad. It takes bad offense, bad defense, and really bad coaching. There is no bright spot. Even Bob Golic, the homer of homers, said after the game, "Don't let the closeness of the game mislead you. The Browns played as badly as they ever have."
Sadly, all four guys on the post-game show also said they believed Mangini will be back next season, as do I. All of them said that with sunken shoulders and their eyes cast down. The media is as beaten by that prospect as the fans and the players. And make no mistake; if Mangini gets another year, he'll get another two years. It takes a special kind of dysfunction and ineptitude and bad luck to go 1-15 or 2-14. The team cannot help but improve next season, and even a 5-11 record would allow Mangini to claim progress, which would bring him back for a third season. If you think not, then I would point back to 2005 and 2006, when you had two chances to fire Romeo and didn't do it. He eventually got his one year when everything fell his way, which led to contract extensions all around and another year of terrible football in 08.
Mark my words, boys and girls, this is what will happen. Every "serious football mind" in the world will end up blowing us off, and Lerner will go with another retread or, more likely, guy making getting his first shot to GM a team, and part of the deal will be keeping Mangini.
Lerner is the kind of guy who would bang his head against a brick wall for the 100th time because he believes that eventually it will have to feel good, right?
miguel, unfortunately you're probably right.
Draft Tebow or McCoy and make Brady Quinn the wide receiver.
It's sad when the quarterbacks catch better than the receivers do.
Alex, have you taken the time to actually watch Tebow play? He has been on a team that has had the #1 ranked defense in FBS (that's out of 100+ teams, not 32), and he has to wind up to get the ball 40 yards in the air. No chance in hell that he'll be an NFL QB. Not to mention the fact that he's had the best & fastest receivers in college as well…
Pat I agree that Quinn has been put in a mess and deserves more time to play.
Miguel, Jimmy Johhson was 1-15 his first season with Dallas and we all know how that turned out. Of course, your brilliance would have concurred that there's no way that he'd possibly turn that team around and make it competitive. Of course, you would have been wrong then since he built a Super Bowl winning dynasty. I'm not saying Mangini will do the same here, but there's no way any of us are going to know at this point whether or not he will even come close. So all of the experts on here that KNOW Mangini's reign, if given a couple of more years, will be a failure then I suggest that you follow another team in the meantime if Mangini's maintained. Of course, the fact that he coached teams to winning records 2 of his first 3 years as a head coach mean nothing to you since you all are so smart and can see into the future and know that his teams will always be bad.
Are you kidding me, Tim??? Unbelievable.
When did Mangini swing his own Herschel Walker fleece? I must have missed seeing it on nfl.com, Tim. I know he got a bag of magic beans for Winslow and Edwards, but this Walker thing I didn't hear about. Tell me more.
True, Quinn had 2 years to sit and watch. But he'd have learned more if he was watching the opponent every week.
And a 9th string TE and NO #1 receiver(even one who leads the league in drops) isn't exactly what Anderson was working with on his way to the Pro Bowl.
Tim:
Guys with your logic will excuse 30 consecutive losses because there were some "positives" like the defense only gave up 16 points or some other nonsense. You have blind faith in a "plan" and a "process" you can't begin to explain. Mangini says it and you believe it. The more we lose, by your logic, the better off we are, cause Mangini is really Jimmy Johnson. Tim, almost all the 1-15 teams in NFL history continued to be bad in following years. You can sit in the lounge sipping your beer while the Titanic sinks but please stop telling us that the water at our feet comes from a spilled glass. Mangini must go.
Tim in Plantation FL, are you actually Eric in Berea OH?
tim, alan is right. the hershel walker trade built the cowboys super bowl teams. which recent trade by the browns is going to equal that?
pat, i don't know how you can say we don't know anymore about quinn than we did in august. the guy throws dying ducks all day long. we know plenty and it ain't good. van morrison is wondering why he's the only irish guy who can't catch a break from you.
All of you guys hit the right notes when it comes to the Mangini-JimmyJohnson non-parallels, but another thing to point out is that Dallas fully expected that they could go 1-15 that year, and they didn't care. They also used that season to establish their rookie #1 draft pick QB, standing behind him no matter how awful he played, in order to prepare for the future. Sort of like the Jets are sticking with Sanchez now, even though they are watching a playoff berth slip away, and despite the hysteria in NY after they pissed away that 4-1 start.
None of that is similar to anything the bozos running the Browns have done. These guys thought they were going to go 10-6 this season, and they have (badly) coached accordingly. That's why Quinn got yanked after 2 1/2 games against the best defenses in the league, because Mangini was so clueless that he thought this team was a QB away from turning it around and marching to the playoffs, and because he had absolutely no plan in place for a long term turnaround for this franchise.
Whomever comes in here has to be prepared to go anywhere from 1-15 to 4-12 again next year, and should state so publicly. Because it takes that type of attitude to come back from the brink. That attitude would be called "realism" and should be sprinkled liberally all around Berea, and the fans should be made aware as well. It's as simple as saying, "We are a very bad football team, and until we prove differently on the field, we are going to run this show with an eye towards the future, not the present."
I honestly do not think that sentiment would have helped Mangini (or could even exist in his head), but, then again, I'm not sure a lot exists in Mangini's head. Can't name a facet of this organization where he has not failed miserably. I've seen some bad coaches in my life, and even some truly awful ones, but I've never witnessed anything like this debacle in my 42 years.
Ok, so Mangini only gets one bad season in his first year and shouldn't be allowed to continue with his plan to turn things around, but it's OK for the NEXT guy that comes in to go 1-15 as long as he says "we will stink and go 1-15" and he should get 3 full years to build the team. Mangini basically has said that it will take time for us to be good – he has said it takes time for the "process" to play out. I'm not for perpetual losing. If we keep Mangini and we're 1-10 at this point next year I would have no problem letting him go. I just think that ANY coach that takes over a bad team should have at least 2 full seasons to let his rebuilding plan play out. So by your guys logic, Jimmy Johnson deserved more than one season even though he went 1-15 b/c of the Walker trade. Of course, he could have blown all of those picks also. Who are we kidding here – if you guys were Dallas fans at the time you would have been calling for Johnson's head also after the 1-15 first season – be honest here.
I'm sick of Mangini; fire him now. I'm sick of looking at him, listening to his delusional quotes after games, his small, petty ways etc.
He's also failed at what is arguably his no. 1 job (besides winning, of course) — being a leader of men.
tim, if you can't see that mangini's playcalling, game/clock management, personnel decisions, experience and leadership are all lacking then there's no hope for you. talent is just a small part of why this team sucks so bad. the 1999 team was LESS talented than the current one. it's like watching a kid riding a bicycle and repeatedly crashing it into trees, parked cars and falling over. it's time for the training wheels to be put back on. in mangini's case, he needs much more education than one year (actually not even that since bill b. stripped some of his duties that year) as a defensive coordinator. he should have never been hired by the jets and randy lerner is a fool for having him in cleveland.
Tim:
One last point. Jimmy Johnson was a master at drafting and evaluating talent. He found starters in the 4th and 5th rounds. Mangini drafted 3 guys in the second round. Two are inactive against the Lions and making no contributions in any game. The third is a receiver with unsure hands. A free agent receiver who just joined the team gets to play because the draftees aren't working out. This is not building according to a "plan." This is insanity. Do you really want Mangini running the next draft? I sure don't.
For those of you on this blog thinking that Pat has it in for Eric in Berea OH, and is trying his hardest to get the best 1-9 coach in the history of the NFL fired, here's a national take on it…
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/joe_posnanski/11/29/mangini.mangino/index.html
i've made a lot of doughboy cracks about mangini but compared to mangino the hutt our boy eric is an underwear model.
Bill, obviously, Jimmy Johnson wasn't know to be a draft master after his 1ST SEASON, was he? All of those rookies he drafted and the moves he made in the offseason before his 1st season resulted in guess what – A 1-15 TEAM. 1-15 is 1-15. You are looking what happened in the several years following the 1-15 season to make your argument about Jimmy Johnson and how great a coach he was and how he was a master in evaluating talent. I agree with you that he was great, but no-one knew that after just his first season. Mangini's 1st draft with the Browns really can't be evaluated for another 2 seasons. WRs are typically slow to develop, so it's too early to call Robiskie a bust. Mack, Massaquoi and Kaluka all show promise as rookies. Davis was injured early, so can't judge that pick yet. The Veneike guy is probably the worst pick, but even then, he's adjusting to a new position, so it's too early to tell. You are all acting like Mangini is a first year coach and just can't hack it, but you're ignoring the fact that he was a head coach for 3 years and his teams had winning seasons in 2 of the 3 seasons. Just like 1-15 is 1-15, 9-7 is 9-7 and 10-6 is 10-6. Plus, I still think we have a chance to win a game or 2 here on out, so hopefully we'll end up 2-14 – 4-12.
Hey Pat: Guestimation when the Control Freak gets the boot? Will the Browns wait till January 4th or will they make the announcement the week of the final game and let him finish it out ala Wedge? I've got a countdown widget on my computer and I'd like to set it for the end of the Mangini era, but I'd like to know when that could be. Give me something to look forward to, please.
I don't blame these players anymore — you can't play and succeed in any fashion for an unreasonable jerk who can't get out of his head long enough to participate in reality with the rest of us.
BTW: you think the willy-nilly passing has anything to do with the fact that Quinn as a nanosecond to get the pass off before the O-line men lay down like rugs and the defense comes in for the kill?
Just. A. Theory….
tim, you're ignoring the fact that mangini's second winning season GOT HIM FIRED. and take another look at the 1989 cowboys draft. the guy just may be the most inexperienced head coach EVER in the nfl. one (kind of) year as d coordiinator under bill b. before getting a head coaching job??? unbelievable. can you find one other person who got a head coaching job with an nfl team without having credible high level experience in college or the pros? i can't.
also, you may not remember 1989 but i do. first off. take a look at the picks in that draft. some cornerstones of the franchise were found. secondly, nobody was talking about the 1-15 cowboys as a team in disarray and ruin. people knew that aikman was the real deal and that they had a chance to get good. what cornerstone players are currently on the browns? none, because mangini passed up on the talent and let them go to green bay, cinci and everywhere else but in cleveland. a second rounder can't get on the field but a guy who shows up in berea three days ago plays??? what does that tell you? apparently, nothing.
Timmy in Plantation FL – since you've been known to ask fairly exaggerated questions in this forum, let me pose one for you…Has any coach other than the already mentioned Jimmy Johnson ever had any career success after "leading" a team to 1 win at any point in his tenure?
elizabeth, i saw chicago getting decent pressure on 40 year old brett favre yesterday. his old arm was still able to get downfield in the receivers hands. quinn's arm just doesn't cut it. his mechanics are a wreck. without excellent coaching he's never going to succeed in the nfl.
Timmy in Plantation FL, who is calling Robieskie a bust? I've not heard anyone say he is a bust. If anything, we are all wondering why Robieskie is in the doghouse and doesn't even get a chance to sniff the field on game day. Especially after such unbelievable words were spoken of him on draft day.
Most knowledgable fans judge players and label them as busts based on what they do on the field. Robieske hasn't been afforded that opportunity for some secret reason.
Timmy, I keep reading more things from your posts that flabbergast me.
"You are all acting like Mangini is a first year coach and just can't hack it"
I can't speak for anyone else here but I am doing no such thing. I'm shocked as hell that he can't hack it despite being a 4th heard HC. I would somewhat understand it from a 1st year coach but from a 4th year guy?? No effing way.
"Just like 1-15 is 1-15, 9-7 is 9-7 and 10-6 is 10-6. Plus, I still think we have a chance to win a game or 2 here on out, so hopefully we'll end up 2-14 – 4-12."
Ah, 2 wins is so much better than 1 win. Lets extend him another 5 years if he gets a second win because at that rate, by the time he gets to his 10th year, we can go undefeated!
By the way, 1-15, 2-14 or 4-12, with this coach, its all 0-16 to me. So your math doesn't add up.
Terje: But has Quinn ever had a chance to drop back in the pocket and make a good decision? Or Anderson for that matter?
We're expecting our QBs to make a pristine pass to inexperienced receivers to achieve any kind of success — and that's if Daboll or the Control Freak haven't made brilliant decisions, like passing on 3rd and 2 in the first quarter when you're only down by 3!
Favre's been knocked around – but he's also had a chance. And he has experience.
My favorite part of yesterday was Control Freak saying that they didn't alter their approach from the Lions game. Two different teams — one is leading its division and the other has one more win than you and went 0-fer recently. Yeah, I wouldn't change my approach either.
What a delusional …. it's a family blog, I'll keep my thoughts to myself
Quinn had all day to throw much of the time yesterday. Protection was NOT the issue. The line couldn't run block worth a tick, but the pass blocking was more than adequate.
1-15, 4-12, there is no real difference. Don't be confused by numbers. Judge the decisions made, and the play on the field. Sometimes the best team doesn't win on any given day. I'm judging Mangini not on the record, but on the decision making that has not worked in a single instance (with some minor, minor exceptions at the fringes of the roster), and on the play on the field, which is worse today than it has ever been. Worse than 1999 by miles and miles and miles.
That's coaching, of a lack thereof. Sticking with someone clueless just to sick with him for sticking with him's sake, or because you arbitrarily believe that anyone hired to coach in the NFL must automatically get several years regardless of any results, and without any analysis of his week-to-week progress, is baffling.
I'll say it again: Romeo should have been canned after the 2005 season. We didn't do it, nor did we in '06, and we paid for it. The '07 season merely proved that the blind squirrel analogy applies everywhere, but most especially in sports.
It ain't rocket science. It really ain't. There is no magic wand, and winning ways are not a mystery. It's easy to see when someone is either really, really good at coaching, or really really inept. The idea that there are things going on that we just don't understand is ludicrous. Hell, Mangini made a guy who has never played or coached at any level the receiver's coach, and look how that has turned out.
And, yeah, being able to size up your team and coach it accordingly, and preparing your fan base for it, is crucial to any team in any sport. Having a team that is going to go 1-15 or 2-14 or 4-12 and thinking it's going to make the playoffs is example #1 for why Mangini has to go. You coach, evaluate, and communicate (both with players and fans) in a completely different manner depending on what type of team you think you have.
If Mangini had any clue what was coming, or what he had on the roster, or what he was bringing in to play for him, he would have handled the QB situation totally different. That he didn't says all I need to know about him. But thankfully, there are about 19 other examples of why he must go, so I don't have to just rely on that one. And there are numerous examples that by themselves are justification for dumping him.
Quite frankly, it should have been done by now. That it hasn't just continues to do long term damage to the franchise. What you can destroy in less than a year can take many years to rebuil. If you don't believe me, try taking a car apart, randomly throw away some major pieces, and then try to put it all back together again in the same amount of time it took you to break it down.
These are developmental games for guys like Robiske that we will never get back. It's the same moronic thinking that led to Quinn playing in three games his first two years, and you can see how that has put us right behind the eight ball in terms of evaluating a guy we gave up so much of our future for.
"If Mangini had any clue what was coming, or what he had on the roster, or what he was bringing in to play for him, he would have handled the QB situation totally different."
which makes the selection of 2 receivers in the second round even more baffling. why waste picks on receivers when he couldn't even decide between qbs?
I believe Chuck Noll went 1-13 in 1969, his first year, Rick. He was known as a pretty uncomprimising fellow back then, too.
The harping about the two second rounders not playing is a little silly, especially when folks call the whole draft a bust. Mike Vrabel was being held out of games into his third year, while wide receivers often contribute very little as rookies.
Quinn looks shell-shocked on the field and I doubt he'll become a solid starting quarterback. Maybe it's all the mishandling, but what does he do well, exactly?
The team sucks and though I think Mangini didn't get a fair shot from the local hacks I doubt he can turn things around at this point.
The thing I think is most telling about Mangini and his talent evaluating skills is that he got rid of Winslow and Edwards and, in the draft, passed over anybody who had a reputation as a potential playmaker to draft a center, a somewhat quiet receiver with questionable hands, a coach's son, and the only player at USC that nobody ever heard of.
What I get from that isn't that it's wrong to want people in the locker room who are good people and good teammates, but Mangini won't have anyone on the team who stands out. Jimmy Johnson never had a problem with star players.
Mangini must not be allowed to have anything to do with the Browns next draft!
what exactly does mangini's success have to do with what people write about him? if the guy was capable of winning a couple games against a solid opponent he would be hailed as a savior. but he blow. just as bad as most people said that he did.
speaking of 1969…..know who the number one pick for the steelers was?
mean joe greene.
think alex mack is headed to the hall of fame?
I think the amusing part about this forum is that you guys had some sort of expectations for 2009 that were not met. What were those? 5 wins? a pro-bowler out of the draft? Letting players repeatedly screw hotels out of water bottle payments? How about letting K2 ride his motorcycle around town? Or maybe you wanted to watch Braylon play out the last year or two of his career (seen his speed this year, dude hasn't been the same since he sliced open his foot).
Either way, you guys just need to give it some time. Lombardi himself couldn't fix this team in one year or two years or probably even three years, even with Ditka, Jimmy Johnson, Landry, the Chin, the Hoodie, and Shula on his staff.
stow, ohio–the land of no expectations.
Who of Joe Greene quality should the Browns have drafted this year, terje?
1969 … 1989 … 2009
It's a twenty year cycle for genius head coaches who like to start off slow then win multiple Super Bowls!
even sub-sub-joe greene would have been better than an lb and a wr who can't even see the field.
I'm not necessarily against Mangini returning as coach — as long as a football czar has control over the draft and personnel and the authority to get rid of Daboll or any other of Mangini's people. Mangini needs to have someone to answer to.
On the other hand, Mangini doesn't seem to have the motivational skills of a Hall of Fame coach, anyway — so, who cares if he is fired? There's nothing wrong with trying for discipline or opportunity practices or fining as he does (have you ever seen Tom Landry, Paul Brown, or Chuck Noll smile) … but have you ever seen, like on NFL Films, their players talk about these coaches? Can you imagine them talking the same way about Mangini?
Even when Quinn has sufficient pass protection, his throws are often way off target.
Green Bay has the worst pass protection in the league, allowing 44 sacks, yet they are 7-4, have scored 296 points, and Aaron Rodgers has 22 TD's and 5 INT's.
The Browns have allowed 25 sacks, are 1-10, have scored 122 points, and Quinn and D.A. have combined for 7 TD's and 14 INT's.
There is more to the Browns lack of production than just poor pass protection.
let's take the 1969…1989…2009 analogy a little further
what round did these three teams take a center?
mike webster—5th round (1st round lynn swann—hall of fame)
mark stepnoski—3rd round (1st round troy aikman—hall of fame)
alex mack—1st round (2009 draft–mack, inactives, busts, injuries and one player lost on waivers)
the 2009 prophecy is off to a pretty rocky start.
"Even when Quinn has sufficient pass protection, his throws are often way off target.
Green Bay has the worst pass protection in the league, allowing 44 sacks, yet they are 7-4, have scored 296 points, and Aaron Rodgers has 22 TD's and 5 INT's.
The Browns have allowed 25 sacks, are 1-10, have scored 122 points, and Quinn and D.A. have combined for 7 TD's and 14 INT's.
There is more to the Browns lack of production than just poor pass protection."
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Yes, it kind of points to both poor coaching and poor talent evaluation. Also, keep in mind that for the 1st ten games last year the Browns under Crennel and his staff weren't anywhere near as bad as this team is. Now, the last 6 games, after the injuries (and maybe after the team quit on the coach) they looked exactly like they do this year!
Good point, terje. A solid center is key to building a juggernaut mulitple Super Bowl winning program. Man He's Genius!