Comments on: Of pass interference and alleged "fake" injuries

By: mudhenfla

mudhenfla — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:41:07 +0000

As Woody always said," Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser!"

By: terje

terje — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:51:54 +0000

the browns have been running a variation of the same 3-4 defense since romeo showed up. i somehow find it hard to believe that in his sole year as a defensive coordinator that mangini somehow devised a more complicated version of the parcells/belichick 3-4.

By: Brian D.

Brian D. — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:45:37 +0000

Tim, I read about Mangini's systems being complicated, but I thought he was bringing in all of these intelligent players.
And if they can't grasp the concepts, he needs to simplify it until they do.

By: Joe V.

Joe V. — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:42:56 +0000

I'm not trying to defend Mangini, but just because the ball is in the air doesn't make contact pass interference. The ball must be catch-able. And from what I saw, that was a judgement call.

By: Tim In Plantation FL

Tim In Plantation FL — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:20:09 +0000

Thanks Brian for the info. I guess there is precedent, but it doesn't make it right. I think any coach that takes over a bad team should have at minimum 2 full seasons to turn things around. I have a feeling that the Browns are about to turn the corner to become a competitive team. Not sure if it will happen by the end of this season or early next season. If Mangini's fired, he's fired I guess. Then, Quinn and the offense will have ANOTHER offensive system to learn for next year and the defense will probably have to learn another system also. I think there's one factor that's seldom brought up. I think that the offensive and defensive systems that Mangini are installing are very complicated and it's taking time for the players to really grasp them. Rob Ryan basically said this at last week's press conference. That's why I'd like to see how they do at the start of next season after another offseason to learn and play together.

By: roadkill

roadkill — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:58:18 +0000

brian nice find braylon is braylon as manny is manny O I C !!!!!!!

By: Brian D.

Brian D. — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:37:02 +0000

Well, at least one local newspaper is starting to notice that Braylon Edwards has been awful in NY. Jeff Shudel's article today asks:

"Could the Browns actually have snookered the Jets in the trade that sent Braylon Edwards to the Jets for Chansi Stuckey, Jason Trusnik and two picks in the draft next April?
It's starting to look that way."

http://xr.com/4rc5

Braylon should have one more decent game this year…the Jets play in primetime next Thursday night.

By: Rick

Rick — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:13:55 +0000

Scott, people didn't run Belichick out. He ran himself out. And it wasn't as quickly as possible. He had 4 years to destroy the fanbase, he had 4 years to make the fans indifferent to the team, he had 4 years to give Art Modell the nerve to move the team because the fan's enthusiasm toward the team was at the lowest point it had been in the entire history of the Cleveland Browns due to Mr. Belichick. That is, until now. Mangini has taken his mentors low point in Cleveland and made it his own. Yay team.

By: Rick

Rick — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:09:46 +0000

Scott, um, they won't be canning Mangini after 1/2 a season. If they do the right thing, they will can him after the whole season. So you should be happy that he at least got a whole extra 1/2 season to show how incompetent he is.

By: Rick

Rick — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:07:20 +0000

Tim, your question is irrelevent. Honestly what does it matter? In this particular case, all there needs to be said is there is a first time for everything. Otherwise, everything would be the status quo throughout all of human history and where's the fun in that.

On the same account, has a coach ever resigned after taking over a team that was 4-12 the previous year and totally run it into the ground that he knew if he were to continue coaching it, he was going to get fired anyways for his incompetence? Has a team owner ever been so far in debt despite having an incredible supporting fan base selling out every home game, buying all kinds of team merchandise despite his ownership making countless bad decisions in his 30+ years of ownership that he had to move the team to get out of that debt? And then, has a team ever won a super bowl within 3 years of moving to reward that pathetic scum owner?

Tim, has this stuff ever happened? I can keep going with examples if you'd like throughout the day as its gonna be a slow one at work.