Well … the players are saying that the Browns coaches did not call the last play in the loss to Baltimore the other night. The one that sent Josh Cribbs to the hospital. They said the call came on the field, with Brady Quinn and Cribbs creating something on the fly.
Always good to know that the players on the field are thinking as clearly as the braintrust, eh?
Except it doesn't add up.
Cribbs caught the pass and looked for the lateral. Jerome Harrison started to run right behind Cribbs with his hand, calling for the ball. Robert Royal caught the lateral and looked for another.
It looked every bit like a called play.
Too, if it wasn't, why were the Browns throwing deep passes the previous two plays?
They treated that final series as if they were down five, not 16. Two deep throws and a hook-and-lateral. Seems like a team trying to score as if the game is still on the line.
One insider even told me that Brady Quinn threw the two deep balls out of bounds intentionally. That he knew the calls were ridiculous, so he heaved them OB.
It's always something, isn't it?
Meanwhile, this is what Steve Young had to say on ESPN about the Browns:
“I was part of a team like this in 1986 when I was with Tampa Bay. I remember thinking to myself when I got really depressed, 'Maybe I should go to law school. Maybe I should do something else.' It reminds me of what’s going on with the Browns. You can not say enough about the disaster that is happening in Cleveland right now.”
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The late bombs were good calls. There was time on the clock for an onside kick if the Browns got lucky. If it makes you feel better to call Mangini and the Browns players liars in regard to the ill-advised lateral play, have at it, I guess. Terje believes. Next time I'm sure they'll pull all their special teams players and backup wide receivers off the field so no one gets hurt.
hey larry, brady quinn has not publicly stated that the call was his alone. gee, i wonder why? but hey, if dawg pound mike says it was quinn's call then it must be since he's a hundred yards or so from the play and he's not the one wearing the helmet with a built in headset.
I don't care what happened, it all goes back to the coach. If the coaches called that, they are bigger idiots than I thought. If Quinn/another player called it, they don't give a crap about what the coaches say.
I don't know who made the call, terje. I do know that at this point Dog Pound Mike has just as much credibility when it comes to such things as you or Pat. Heck, my corgi Bella has as much credibility, and she's a Buccaneers fan.
Simple fact is, if Quinn had even ATTEMPTED a bomb or two sometime prior to the last 90-seconds of a blowout, perhaps the defense would've been stretched out just a bit to allow for more effective shorter gains. Gruden was practically jumping out of the pressbox wanting to go downfield. It just shows you the different mindset between a losing coach like Mangini….and a Super Bowl winner (who was available when we hired the WaterBoy) like Gruden.
As Homer might say, "Doh! Missed again!"
What's the reasoning for BQ throwing out of bounds with 20 seconds remaining?
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All this year long finger pointing and analysis of what the Browns should and shouldn't have done is a waste of conversation. The facts are simple. This team has but a hand full of decent players (one being their punter). The balance consists of mediocre players, very poor coaching and a owner who is out of his element. It gives new meaning to the word "dysfunctional" and you don't realize just how terrible they are until you watch ALL the other teams play (yep, including Oakland).
Anyone who thinks these guys respect and want to play for Mangini also believe in the Easter Bunny and think the WWF is for real.
Mangini said he called the pass to Cribbs on the last play (and I understood how he said it as Mangini was trying to create a punt return kind of last ditch effort). Cribbs said Quinn gave the signal to keep the ball in play (and Mangini suggested Cribbs must have been improvising to lateral it, suggesting to me that Mangini didn't make that part of the decision).
It seemed likely to me that Quinn, knowing it was the last play, and that when it was over the game was over (and, after all, the coaching staff was still trying to score), just naturally informed his teammates that this was the last play and to keep the ball alive.
From there, judge it all you want ….
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I think you really have to stretch to give Quinn the benefit of the doubt on the innacuracy of the long throws down the sideline. I mean, maybe they were lofted so high they got caught up in the swirling winds or something, but they sure didn't look like he intentionally threw them away.
I still do think the route running is inferior due to poor coaching — and that's all that can be said for Quinn. On that, though, as was pointed out he never even tried to throw the ball downfield until the end. To that I would add that if you noticed on the replays from behind the QB, the Browns never sent a receiver down the field. If the wideouts, even now and then, could have run a fly or post or anything to take a single defender out of the play once in awhile, maybe there would have been more room underneath. Quinn wouldn't have even had to throw downfield if the receivers even tried to use a bit more of the field.
So, I still say it's coaching that stinks!
Terje, no it isn't. Pandas aren't real; they are holograms that could tackle better than Brandon "I really wish I was at" McDonald.
sometimes i wonder if brandon mcdonald is tackling holograms only he can see on the field.
Terje: I think Brandon thinks he's on the ESPN virtual reality set for the pregame shows – "it worked for Keyshawn, why not me?"
It was Brady's call because he was given one choice. That's the extent of Daboll's play book.
Pat, is your insider source concerning Quinn's deep throws Tom Condon? Because it sounds like an excuse his agent would make.
No, it is not.
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