1) I'm thinking that right now the Lions ought to be favored by nine.
2) Imagine that. The Browns a more-than-deserving near-double digit underdog to a team that has one win since the start of the 2009 season. Say this for the Browns: They've earned it.
3) For the second game in a row, the Browns opponent played down to the Browns level, yet won fairly easily. Baltimore played about as well as Chicago played against the Browns, which is to say pretty poorly. One mistake by a cornerback, one mistake by a quarterback — game over. With never a threat that the Browns would come back on their own to win. Expectations have been driven so subterranean that it's worthy of celebrating when the Browns hold a team to a scoreless half.
4) Nothing Eric Mangini tries is working. Nothing. His quarterback competition. Working players harder. Bringing in his players. Forcing Cribbs into the wide receiver spot. Brian Daboll as offensive coordinator. George Kokinis. Calling timeout against Cincinnati, which only served to set up the Bengals touchdown that sent the game into overtime. Not calling timeout against Baltimore as his guys were trotting on the field when the Ravens lined up at the 13. Going no-huddle against Baltimore. None of it has worked. None of it. And were it not for a botched punt return by Buffalo, we surely would be looking at an oh-and-nine team right now. This is not bad luck, though. It's bad coaching. Bad coaching, bad decisions, bad everything.
5) Calling that hook-and-lateral with three seconds left and the Browns down 16 was inane. What was the point? The game was over. O-v-e-r. Running that play only served to injure one of the Browns best players. Yes, injuries are sometimes bad luck. But in this case the Browns made their own bad luck with an ill-advised play call at a point of the game when that call was not necessary.
6) It was almost as ludicrous as having Brady Quinn throw two bombs the previous two plays. Were those going to somehow tie the game? Even if they were .. . well … actually thrown inbounds.
7) When we assess the Browns offense Monday night, let's not forget the Browns were coming off a bye. Which means they had two weeks to prepare for Baltimore. Two weeks and they come up with that performance. The NFL is a passing league, and most teams move the ball by opening up the field and running receivers in different patterns all over the field. Except … the … Browns. It seems obvious now that the Browns have two different game plans for Derek Anderson and Quinn, and that the coaching staff does not trust Quinn to throw down the field, except in the rarest of instances or when they are down 16 and less than 20 seconds are left.
8) Eric Mangini said after the game that the Browns are trying to throw the ball downfield with Quinn. "We're not avoiding that part of the field," he said. Well it sure looks like they are. Just about every play Quinn ran was a quick rollout and quick throw. Usually for four-to-six yards. It looked like a JV offense for the high school team.
9) People say that we now know about Brady Quinn, that he's not an NFL quarterback. I'm not buying that. I don't think we know anything more about either quarterback because it's next to impossible to judge them based on the offense being run and the plays being called. I would not shrink from bringing in a new quarterback next season, but I also would not give up on Quinn because of this season.
10) I don't understand why Mangini didn't call for a timeout when he didn't have the players on the field with Baltimore at the 13-yard-line. The last Brown was trotting on the field as the ball was snapped. Mangini called that timeout earlier in the season against Cincinnati in a similar circumstance and he didn't need to. This time he needed to and he didn’t call timeout. Nothing is working. Too, how can it be that at this point of the season the Browns can't even get the right guys on the field for a critical play. Ten men with the other team lining up at the 13? This is the attention to detail that is stressed so much by this regime? What a joke.
Three and Out
Dear Pat,
I don't always agree with you, but I certainly do with your latest article. It's blown my mind that this is the third season that Brady Quinn has been a member of the team and we still don't know if he's an NFL quarterback. One of the best ways to help Quinn's confidence is to run the football and limit how many times he has to throw it. This is what Marty Schottenheimer did when they were breaking Bernie Kosar in 24 years ago.
It would be nice to see some close, competitive games in the second half of the season, huh?
Steve Bohnenkamp
Geneva IL
Dear Steve,
The Browns ran fairly well Monday night, but they had their backs run 24 times (including one WR reverse) and had Quinn throw 31 passes. This seems like forcing the pass to maintain balance, especially considering the passes the Browns threw.
As for competitive games … we've reached the point where we hope to compete against Detroit … Kansas City … Oakland.
Uncle.
Dear Pat,
Eric Mangini was such a terrible hire from the very start. My most pressing concern as a Browns fan is to see him gone. At the same time, I have this sinking feeling that the search for a new Chief Football Officer is going to be similarly botched—too rushed, too shortsighted, too fixated on a name.
Now, I don’t know if the Mike Holmgren rumor is for real or just one of those half-baked ESPN reports. But look at his resume in Seattle: In 10 seasons as coach he was 12 games over .500 (in a consistently pathetic division), he posted a 4-6 playoff record, and after four years on the job he was stripped of his GM duties (with a 31-33 record)—duties which he was denied in Green Bay.
So is Mike Holmgren any good at having final approval on players or constructing and leading an organization? Isn’t that the job? I’m not saying he wouldn’t be an upgrade over the current regime. I mean, the bar’s been set right at about ankle level. But even a future Hall of Famer can be unqualified, and at this point I’ve seen enough unqualified people come through town.
Michael Stevens
Boca Raton, FL
Dear Michael,
Valid points on Holmgren. Let me address some of them:
1) The Browns want him to be a candidate. Whether he becomes one is up to him.
2) Holmgren had the record you mentioned in Seattle, but he also took two different teams to the Super Bowl. That says something too.
3) He lost the GM job, but that's because he was doing two jobs. I think he's smart enough and knows football well enough that he could be a strong and positive guiding hand while doing one job.
4) Would Holmgren look more attractive if he brought Jon Gruden with him as coach?
5) Which of these names has the most rings: Holmgren, Bill Cowher, Brian Billick, Jon Gruden. Answer: All the above. They all have one.
6) I think you'll see a different type search this time than the one Randy Lerner conducted in January. I think he'll involve more people, ask more opinions and get more feedback. This is good.
If the Browns can hire Mike Holmgren, I'm all for it.
Dear Pat,
I know a lot of fans were hoping the Ravens would embarrass the Browns to hasten the departure of Mangini and to secure the overall No. 1 pick. And I kind of felt that way following the Bears game, amidst the intrigue of the Kokinis firing/resignation. But by the middle of last week I was actually looking forward to Monday night, dreaming that the bye would be a reset, the staff would finally get it together, and that in his return Brady would become the Mighty Quinn and begin a Browns career that would place him up there with other Browns championship QBs, like Otto Graham, and Frank Ryan, and……umm….well, you get my drift. And yea, the first half was OK because it was a draw and anything was still possible. Then came the third quarter.
And while it may be simplistic and unfair to distill this disastrous season down to one play, for me it all came down to one critical moment in this coaching regime's tenure. Score 0-0, just gave up a big play to the Ravens, but an opportunity remains to take back the momentum with a stop, where even a Ravens' field goal would be a positive for the Browns. And in the ninth game of the season, after two weeks to prepare, THEY CAN'T EVEN GET 11 MEN ON THE FIELD. Honestly, how is that possible? That, of course, led to Ray Rice's TD and that opened the door to yet another national embarrassment.
So while there is a lack of talent on the Browns, and competing with such a deficit is extremely difficult, it is now clear to me that this is really a secondary problem. The first problem, and one that will ensure failure regardless of the talent level, are the people coaching and preparing the team. Lerner must jettison Mangini now because he has no future with the team. Keeping him for the remainder of the season will only serve to scare off talented candidates for GM who don't want to worry about being stuck with an awful coach or don't want the hassle of having to fire him. Really, this is the only option that remains.
Dan Hough
Dear Dan,
I really can't disagree with much of what you say … but comparing Brady Quinn to Otto Graham? Wow.
That’s even worse than this colossal failure of a season.
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tim, there's still no proof mangini didn't make that call. the only guy who can clear that up is quinn….and he hasn't done that.
Lewis-type badmouthing of the bosses isn't going to get him a raise. Cribbs has zero credibility. Yes, Quinn called it at the line, and Delonte West was the second shooter on the grassy knoll.
To be fair to Pat, he said the play call was inane…he didn't say Mangini was to blame.
And the guys on The Point After claimed that it was a called play, despite what Mangini claimed. So, they weren't really wrong either.
Some commenters on this blog did blame Mangini directly for the play. I'm a little surprised Quinn didn't speak up immediately and take the heat for the play call. The one thing I admired about him was he acted like a leader and took the heat even if a receiver ran the wrong route, whereas it seemed D.A. was always casting aspersions on his teammates if mistakes were made.
quinn didn't take responsibility for the play call because he didn't make it.
you girls would have boo'd him if he kneeled down.
they are football players, not Rockette dancers.
Ok terje, Brian – you guys win. I revert back to my "Mangini is the Devil" post.
rockette dancers -7 over the cleveland browns