Comments on: Cribbs hurt on last play of Browns loss; Quinn's cheap shot sidelines Suggs

By: chris

chris — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:45:41 +0000

FIRE MANGINI NOW.

By: terje

terje — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:32:34 +0000

brownstown, you are wasting valuable keystrokes on eric mangini. save your fingers for someone more worthy.

By: alan t.

alan t. — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:12:28 +0000

Brownstown, I don't know if you're arguing for the sake of arguing, or if you actually believe the stuff you're writing. Probably a lot of both. The plain fact of the matter is Mangini gave away what little talent they had. Just gave it away.

It's an idiotic argument to make that they wouldn't have won anyway even if they had Winslow and Edwards and/or adequate replacements for them which equaled value for value. It took two years of two drafts to get two playmakers. Playmakers are rarely found hiding underneath a rock in the middle rounds. That's where you find your role players to surround the playmakers. It will literally take years to replace Winslow and Edwards.

And I'll tell you what, if they had Winslow and Edwards (or somebody else's extremely talented bad news to replace one or both of them), at least they wouldn't have been shut out.

By: Brownstown Frown

Brownstown Frown — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:17:20 +0000

Bill:
IN THE FUTURE who was going to be throwing the passes? BQ? No one knew. DA? Guess we found out. Do you think that this team really needed another year of Kellen Winslow? Do you think that Kellen Winslow was going to even stick around? BE gave up on the Cleveland Browns ….let's see….about TWO YEARS AGO. Do you think that having BE to throw to last night was going to make a difference? Do you think that having Kellen Winslow to throw to last night was going to make a difference? And last year's team winning six games??? Against who? Sorry, but St. Ignatius, Lakewood, and Cleveland Benedictine weren't on our schedule last year. Accept this year as what it is: a complete rebuild, complete with a learning process. Give it another year and see how MoMass and Robiskie respond to a year of pro ball under their belts, and with a REAL NFL QB (there is NOT one on our roster today!!!!) throwing to them. BQ played the exact hand he was dealt last night…look over the field for a second and throw to the receiver that is closest to you. That was all Quinn. When he rolls out and is staring at his back coming into the pattern and WAITING for the back to look for the ball, Quinn had NO intention of throwing anywhere else. When Quinn dropped back and WAITED for Furrey or MoMass to make a break in the pattern and WATCHED them the entire way, he had no intention of throwing anywhere else. How many sacks did Quinn TURN into last night? Yep…this is nothing more than a lost season, with many new players (Quinn included) LEARNING the pro game at the pro level. Anyone who had visions of a divisional or super bowl contender was either toked up or drinking heavily.

By: Bill

Bill — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:24:21 +0000

Brownie:

This year the Browns will have more Pro Bowlers than wins. You can drink all the Kool-Aid you want that we had to have this disaster to move forward. We didn't. Last year's team, as bad as it was, could have won 6 games if not decimated by injuries. Now we are beyond awful. I live in New York with 3 years up close with Mangini. He cannot be his own GM and personnel director because he can't identify talent. He really thinks he can trade Winslow and throw passes to Robert Royal. That you can trade BE and throw passes to Massaquoi who is most effective as a #2 receiver. He thinks that's ok. You seem to agree. Well, good luck-but Mangini must go.

By: Brownstown Frown

Brownstown Frown — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:17:20 +0000

As for Mangini's ability to see "talent". I saw the "talent" that Mangini put at QB last night….again. Only differences were the colors of the jerseys…….

By: Brownstown Frown

Brownstown Frown — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:16:30 +0000

Hey, Bill…remember who was also "absent" from that game, when the blind squirrels found the nut? Remember who returned after that game and everything went back to the status (losing) quo'? Remember who (even though he played "terrific" in ONE game) still was among the league leader in DROPS last year? It would be fine if you could have pointed to the Giants game last year as the "norm" instead of the "exception". But you can't. Did you not believe that this team was going to have to take a few steps backward, retool, and regroup in order to move forward? Or were you one of those who believed that all members of the Browns are perrenial Pro Bowlers who would start on any other team?

By: terje

terje — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:10:38 +0000

last year's team was decimated by injuries at key positions in the end. this year's team doesn't have that excuse.

By: Bill

Bill — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:04:33 +0000

Larry D.

You think hard also. Which team is better-last year's or this year's? not even close-this team beat the Giants on Monday night? LOL. And Mangini brought his guys in to make it worse. I'll take last year's team over these guys 100% of the time. How's that for thinking hard?

By: thall

thall — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:54:18 +0000

According to another sports writer, they put the short passing game plan in to capitalize on Quinn's strengths of making quick decisive throws. The down side of that is if there is nothing there, Quinn will take a sack. Every time he plays we see this game plan…very quick short throws. We saw some downfield throws late in the 4th. If I were an opposing teams Def. Coordinator. I'd single up the receivers and rush 8 every time. There can't be any respect for Quinn's ability to throw deep…not at this point. If Quinn is being sacked at a rate of 12 sacks per 12 Quarters and DA sackes 9 times per 22 Quarters….YES some of the blame can be assessed to the line…but something is wrong when a guy cannot get the ball past 10 yards downfield. I say KEEP Quinn in. I do want to see what he can do before this or the next regime decides to invest 20-40 million in gauranteed money in another QB. If we see more of this short passing game…the question must be asked can this formula win long term even WITH a running game because teams will just stack the box and force Quinn to throw long.