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		<title>By: larry d.</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry d.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How&#039;s it a head scratcher if Mangini is a snake who just won a power struggle?</description>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read the stuff written in today&#039;s online Sports Illustrated, Tim.  Pretty much echoes what Pat and I have been surmising all along.

And how does firing Kokinis make Mangini look good?  It doesn&#039;t.  But tell me, who literally still has a key to the office in Berea?  &#039;Nuff said.  It&#039;s not about making himself look good, it&#039;s about survival.  Say what you want about his football acumen, but when it comes to office politics, Mangini is definitely no idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read the stuff written in today&#039;s online Sports Illustrated, Tim.  Pretty much echoes what Pat and I have been surmising all along.</p>
<p>And how does firing Kokinis make Mangini look good?  It doesn&#039;t.  But tell me, who literally still has a key to the office in Berea?  &#039;Nuff said.  It&#039;s not about making himself look good, it&#039;s about survival.  Say what you want about his football acumen, but when it comes to office politics, Mangini is definitely no idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim in Plantation FL</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim in Plantation FL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess Alan, you and Pat may be right, but it still doesn&#039;t make sense to me.  If Kokinis was actually making final decisions on players, then it would make more sense since Mangini could say &quot;this guy wouldn&#039;t let me get the guys I want, so he&#039;s the reason why we&#039;re off to such a bad start&quot;.  However, since everyone knows that this wasn&#039;t the case and that Mangini&#039;s running the show, how does firing Kokinis make Mangini look good?  Plus, the timing of this move doesn&#039;t make sense if it&#039;s really Mangini behind it.  A move like this gives vibes that the organization is out of control and that the coach could be next.  Not the type of speculation that Mangini would want to bring upon himself.  Wouldn&#039;t he just want to have things be quiet during the bye week and the rest of the season so he could continue his &quot;process&quot;?  Plus, wouldn&#039;t the chaos of this firing have an adverse effect on the players?  Why would he want that?  It would make more sense for Mangini to try and force him out AFTER the season ends, wouldn&#039;t it?  

Now Lerner being solely behind this, and not Mangini, makes much more sense.  Lerner doesn&#039;t like what he sees with the bad start and he hates that the fans are getting restless.  So, he sends his spies in to try to find dirt on anyone he can so that he can fire with a cause so he doesn&#039;t have to pay the rest of the contracts.  He can&#039;t find anything on Mangini, but just say he thinks he can make the case against Kokinis for some reason.  So, he fires Kokinis to shake things up to make room for the experiences football operations guy to take control as GM, and puts Mangini on notice that the new guy&#039;s going to come in and determine Mangini&#039;s fate. 

I admit that I could be wrong and that Mangini could have orchestrated this whole thing, but it just doesn&#039;t make sense, especially with the timing of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess Alan, you and Pat may be right, but it still doesn&#039;t make sense to me.  If Kokinis was actually making final decisions on players, then it would make more sense since Mangini could say &#034;this guy wouldn&#039;t let me get the guys I want, so he&#039;s the reason why we&#039;re off to such a bad start&#034;.  However, since everyone knows that this wasn&#039;t the case and that Mangini&#039;s running the show, how does firing Kokinis make Mangini look good?  Plus, the timing of this move doesn&#039;t make sense if it&#039;s really Mangini behind it.  A move like this gives vibes that the organization is out of control and that the coach could be next.  Not the type of speculation that Mangini would want to bring upon himself.  Wouldn&#039;t he just want to have things be quiet during the bye week and the rest of the season so he could continue his &#034;process&#034;?  Plus, wouldn&#039;t the chaos of this firing have an adverse effect on the players?  Why would he want that?  It would make more sense for Mangini to try and force him out AFTER the season ends, wouldn&#039;t it?  </p>
<p>Now Lerner being solely behind this, and not Mangini, makes much more sense.  Lerner doesn&#039;t like what he sees with the bad start and he hates that the fans are getting restless.  So, he sends his spies in to try to find dirt on anyone he can so that he can fire with a cause so he doesn&#039;t have to pay the rest of the contracts.  He can&#039;t find anything on Mangini, but just say he thinks he can make the case against Kokinis for some reason.  So, he fires Kokinis to shake things up to make room for the experiences football operations guy to take control as GM, and puts Mangini on notice that the new guy&#039;s going to come in and determine Mangini&#039;s fate. </p>
<p>I admit that I could be wrong and that Mangini could have orchestrated this whole thing, but it just doesn&#039;t make sense, especially with the timing of it.</p>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and one other thing, Tim.  The more miserable Lerner makes Mangini, the more likely he&#039;ll quit so Lerner doesn&#039;t have to pay him the remainder of his contract.  It&#039;s a Lerner move made out of strategic weakness, but at least it&#039;s a move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and one other thing, Tim.  The more miserable Lerner makes Mangini, the more likely he&#039;ll quit so Lerner doesn&#039;t have to pay him the remainder of his contract.  It&#039;s a Lerner move made out of strategic weakness, but at least it&#039;s a move.</p>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh ... Tim.  It&#039;s like any management position in any company.  It doesn&#039;t have to be the Cleveland Browns.  If I were a weasel (I&#039;m not, but for the sake of this post, let&#039;s pretend I am) and I was in Mangini&#039;s position, I would be doing everything in my power to deflect the blame from myself.  I&#039;d badmouth others to Lerner&#039;s weasel spy Kosar, I&#039;d badmouth others when I&#039;m having a discussion with Lerner, I&#039;d leak BS to my few media friends.  

This is no different than Al Davis who perpetually tries to build cases to fire guys &quot;for cause&quot; so he doesn&#039;t have to pay them their contracts.  How much do you want to bet that Mangini, like a deluded Dick Nixon, even kept his own little dirty file on his &quot;good friend&quot; Kokinis.  You know, just in case.    

Seriously, dude, when you get to be as old and fossilized as Pat and me, with prostates the size of Spalding basketballs to prove it (that&#039;s me, I can&#039;t speak for Pat&#039;s prostate), you&#039;ll come to realize that the Browns are a company like any other company.  It&#039;s survival of the fittest.  Or, in Mangini&#039;s case, survival of the fattest.  Common sense says that Mangini made the plan and bought the gun.  Whoever actually pulled the trigger, who gives a crap.  Irrelevant.  This was Mangini&#039;s kill.  When you&#039;re part of a retarded Mafia, which the Browns are, does it really matter who technically whacked whom?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh &#8230; Tim.  It&#039;s like any management position in any company.  It doesn&#039;t have to be the Cleveland Browns.  If I were a weasel (I&#039;m not, but for the sake of this post, let&#039;s pretend I am) and I was in Mangini&#039;s position, I would be doing everything in my power to deflect the blame from myself.  I&#039;d badmouth others to Lerner&#039;s weasel spy Kosar, I&#039;d badmouth others when I&#039;m having a discussion with Lerner, I&#039;d leak BS to my few media friends.  </p>
<p>This is no different than Al Davis who perpetually tries to build cases to fire guys &#034;for cause&#034; so he doesn&#039;t have to pay them their contracts.  How much do you want to bet that Mangini, like a deluded Dick Nixon, even kept his own little dirty file on his &#034;good friend&#034; Kokinis.  You know, just in case.    </p>
<p>Seriously, dude, when you get to be as old and fossilized as Pat and me, with prostates the size of Spalding basketballs to prove it (that&#039;s me, I can&#039;t speak for Pat&#039;s prostate), you&#039;ll come to realize that the Browns are a company like any other company.  It&#039;s survival of the fittest.  Or, in Mangini&#039;s case, survival of the fattest.  Common sense says that Mangini made the plan and bought the gun.  Whoever actually pulled the trigger, who gives a crap.  Irrelevant.  This was Mangini&#039;s kill.  When you&#039;re part of a retarded Mafia, which the Browns are, does it really matter who technically whacked whom?</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Vlasak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Vlasak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mangini&#039;s comments might simply be what he does for his shy buddy Lerner to stay on the big guy&#039;s good side.  &quot;I&#039;ll go out there and field the questions, big guy!&quot;  &quot;Thanks!  You&#039;re the best, Eric!!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mangini&#039;s comments might simply be what he does for his shy buddy Lerner to stay on the big guy&#039;s good side.  &#034;I&#039;ll go out there and field the questions, big guy!&#034;  &#034;Thanks!  You&#039;re the best, Eric!!&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim in Plantation FL</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim in Plantation FL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan, I know you hate Mangini and so does Pat, but I think you two and many others are thinking with your emotion of hatred and not with your head.  Give me one logical reason how the firing of a figurehead GM that hasn&#039;t been calling the shots anyways half way through the 1st season at the helm is good for Mangini?  Even if the two grew to hate each other and Mangini was ticking Kokinis off since Kokinis had no say about any decisions, what benefit would firing Kokinis have for Mangini?  Wouldn&#039;t it benefit Mangini more if either 1) Kokinis just gave up and kept showing up just to collect his check and left Mangini alone to run things or 2) got ticked off enough so that he&#039;d quit and Lerner wouldn&#039;t have to pay him a dime of the remainder of his contract?  If the 2nd thing happened, then Mangini could assume the title of GM/coach officially or put another figurehead GM in there that he would hopefully get along with better.  If you really thought this out, it only makes sense that Mangini had nothing to do with this and either Kokinis is guilty of something or that Lerner is going to put a GM in there with power and true authority, which would not be a good sign for Mangini since he&#039;d either 1) stay as coach but would lose his authority over personnel decisions or 2) be fired at the end of the season.  If you were Mangini, wouldn&#039;t you rather keep the status quo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, I know you hate Mangini and so does Pat, but I think you two and many others are thinking with your emotion of hatred and not with your head.  Give me one logical reason how the firing of a figurehead GM that hasn&#039;t been calling the shots anyways half way through the 1st season at the helm is good for Mangini?  Even if the two grew to hate each other and Mangini was ticking Kokinis off since Kokinis had no say about any decisions, what benefit would firing Kokinis have for Mangini?  Wouldn&#039;t it benefit Mangini more if either 1) Kokinis just gave up and kept showing up just to collect his check and left Mangini alone to run things or 2) got ticked off enough so that he&#039;d quit and Lerner wouldn&#039;t have to pay him a dime of the remainder of his contract?  If the 2nd thing happened, then Mangini could assume the title of GM/coach officially or put another figurehead GM in there that he would hopefully get along with better.  If you really thought this out, it only makes sense that Mangini had nothing to do with this and either Kokinis is guilty of something or that Lerner is going to put a GM in there with power and true authority, which would not be a good sign for Mangini since he&#039;d either 1) stay as coach but would lose his authority over personnel decisions or 2) be fired at the end of the season.  If you were Mangini, wouldn&#039;t you rather keep the status quo?</p>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim in Plantation FL, with all due respect, I think it&#039;s time for you to take another bong hit.  For legal medicinal purposes, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim in Plantation FL, with all due respect, I think it&#039;s time for you to take another bong hit.  For legal medicinal purposes, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Tbomb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tbomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m on board with that Tim. It would at least indicate that somebody in that organization is heterosexual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m on board with that Tim. It would at least indicate that somebody in that organization is heterosexual.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim in Plantation FL</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim in Plantation FL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat, you and most of the bloggers here are assuming that Mangini is this snake that backstabbed his poor friend George to save his own butt and got the guy fired.  Do you have any evidence of this?  For all you know, George could have been doing the chick that got fired a few days before on the conference room table or something.  Hasn&#039;t anyone even considered that maybe, just maybe Kokinis did something that justified his firing, and it had nothing to do with Mangini?  Lerner did say in his email that the firing was &quot;unforseen&quot;.  Doesn&#039;t sound like a conspiracy thing to get him out to save Mangini.  And by the way, since it is assumed that Mangini was calling all of the shots anyways, why would firing Kokinis help Mangini at all?  If anything, it would indicate that Mangini&#039;s time is numbered since Lerner would then presumably hire a GM that would make all football decisions and if that person didn&#039;t want Mangini around, he would get rid of him.  It would have been to Mangini&#039;s benefit to have a figurehead GM stay on while he continued to call all of the shots.  Just doesn&#039;t make sense to me.  In my opinion, it&#039;s either Kokinis did something deserving of being fired, or he was let go to allow Lerner to get an experienced GM on board that will decide Mangini&#039;s fate after the season.  Either way, it&#039;s highly unlikely that Mangini had anything to do with the firing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat, you and most of the bloggers here are assuming that Mangini is this snake that backstabbed his poor friend George to save his own butt and got the guy fired.  Do you have any evidence of this?  For all you know, George could have been doing the chick that got fired a few days before on the conference room table or something.  Hasn&#039;t anyone even considered that maybe, just maybe Kokinis did something that justified his firing, and it had nothing to do with Mangini?  Lerner did say in his email that the firing was &#034;unforseen&#034;.  Doesn&#039;t sound like a conspiracy thing to get him out to save Mangini.  And by the way, since it is assumed that Mangini was calling all of the shots anyways, why would firing Kokinis help Mangini at all?  If anything, it would indicate that Mangini&#039;s time is numbered since Lerner would then presumably hire a GM that would make all football decisions and if that person didn&#039;t want Mangini around, he would get rid of him.  It would have been to Mangini&#039;s benefit to have a figurehead GM stay on while he continued to call all of the shots.  Just doesn&#039;t make sense to me.  In my opinion, it&#039;s either Kokinis did something deserving of being fired, or he was let go to allow Lerner to get an experienced GM on board that will decide Mangini&#039;s fate after the season.  Either way, it&#039;s highly unlikely that Mangini had anything to do with the firing.</p>
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