Comments on: First and 10: Another episode of the Browns world turning

By: Bill Foos

Bill Foos — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:43:03 +0000

What I like about you, Pat… is … you tell it like it is…even when it's painful.. and boy…. it sure is painful!!!!
Thanx man!!!

By: terje

terje — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:59:39 +0000

"If anyone thought that……….."

this phrase is the sure sign of a moron.

By: Lake Erie Ernie

Lake Erie Ernie — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:49:52 +0000

First of all Pat McWhiner is awful. He can't look past his own nose to see anything good. Honestly, losing is the best thing that can happen to the Browns this year as long as they evaluate potential draftees well. If anyone thought that Anderson or Quinn were NFL material, they were looking at Fool's Gold. This team is not a Man Genie problem. This team is a mess of bad drafts. At least the offensive line is better and so when the Browns trade or draft a QB, that guy won't get killed. And for all you whiners, remember how Bad Boy Bill, now the revered one in New England, was vilified by the Press here. It takes time and I give Man Genie and his staff some leeway. I was here in 1964 and saw Brees and Orton in college. Kyle was never as smart as Brees but could throw the ball. Brees reminds me of Kosar — smart and accurate. I saw Quinn, too. He was never that good.

By: Brian Daboll

Brian Daboll — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:04:43 +0000

I love this team and the organization. With respect to the Lerner family, it takes time. The fans need to take a few tums while we work out the kinks. See you in the Super Bowl next year!!!!

By: Lou

Lou — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:54:14 +0000

@terje: the "process" that mangini likes to refer to is called "decomposition" – well said.

If Kokinis indeed did not have any authority there was no point keeping him around. That much makes sense to me. I still cannot figure out why he and Mangini were hired in the first place.

If Lerner scores on a GM and/or head of football ops this can all change for the better. Presumably Mangini would be out after this season and the Browns could move on. Kosar is not the answer – much like the outpouring of love for Schottenheimer – this is all based on good times and memories now long past.

I had been in favor of giving Mangini time beyond this season but it is clear to me now he is much more a part of the problem than any possible solution. I would need to see dramatic improvement organizationally as well as on the field to even think about reconsidering.

By: John D

John D — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:14 +0000

@Michael D. Kosar has a good offensive mind. I am not sure he would make a good GM but I think he would make a good offensive coordinator. He would be a balls to the wall type of guy. You would need to really have the best players. What got him in trouble with Belichek was he did not do what he was told. He changed plays. He drew them up in the sand. He had the players to do that. They trusted him and believed in him. He just wasn't the same athletically after a guy in KC blitzed him and killed his arm. His mind knew what to do but his body was not quite capable.
His bankruptcy happened because his holdings were real estate based. I lost $30,000 in value on my house and didn't do a damned thing to deserve it. So did just about everyone else in America that owned a house in the past two years. Imagine having loans against millions of dollars of property that you own and then the devaluation takes place. You're upside down before you know it and bankruptcy is the only thing that makes sense. Why try to work your way out of a mess like that? It would nearly be impossible. Just eat the embarassment and start over.
Could he learn to be a good GM? Yes I think he could. The guy is smart. I think he can evaluate talent pretty well. I think he would be pretty smart in picking coaches. We would have aggressive teams because he was an aggressive player. But as Mangini says…it would be a process!

By: Michael D

Michael D — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:36:45 +0000

I felt that my qualms about Kosar would be backed up. Just because you have been around football for a long time does not mean you are position coach, head coach, GM, or "person in charge of football operations" material. People need to get of the Kosar kick and bring in proven talent at each spot to run this orginization. This learning on the job stuff is for the birds. Competetive football is what we need in Cleveland, not learning on the job loosing and non-competitiveness.

By: lakesguypaul

lakesguypaul — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:51:07 +0000

randy should have fired mangini and daboll. promoted ryan to head coach and made kosar offensive coordinator,then spent some cash to bring in bill cower as general manger big cheese in charge

By: roadkill

roadkill — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:16:19 +0000

hey whats wrong with small feet! its how nimble you skate on the ice not how hard you HIT IT ! Fake alans are like fumunda cheese a good wash will clean it up! There you have it…..GO CAVS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO Steelers!!! come on randy S***CAN THE BOY !!!!!!

By: Tbomb

Tbomb — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:38:45 +0000

Dandy,Dandy…I got nuthin. Regarding big heads. Please tell me Newt Gingrich is not Irish and that his giant cranium is the result of inbreeding.