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Brady Quinn plays not a down as Browns are blown out by Packers

by Pat McManamon on October 25, 2009

in Brady Quinn, Browns, D'Qwell Jackson, Derek Anderson, Eric Mangini, McManamon, vs. Packers (2009)

Things Brady Quinn must be wondering:

–What it takes to calculate the velocity of a pigeon carrying no mail flying into the jet stream during the early evening hours without knowing the initial speed of the pigeon?

—The formula for Coke.

—Why he can't play six or seven minutes in a blowout loss when the guy ahead of him was 12-for-29.

Any of the three could be answered as easily as the other.

Because there is no way to find an answer to any of the above questions. The largest mystery of all those three questions might be why Quinn did not play in Sunday's loss to Green Bay.

Who knows, maybe Quinn poured gasoline on Mangini's lawn after he was benched.

But the Browns could not have done more to damage Quinn's postseason trade value than they did by not playing him Sunday. To say that he's not even good enough to get in at the end of a blowout loss is an insult to the guy deemed good enough to start the opener, and maybe even an insult to the fans.

Either Quinn has no redeeming value, or something happened behind the scenes to make the coach angry. Or … maybe Mangini just figured what Derek Anderson started, Derek Anderson should finish.

Bottom line: Anderson has gone 23-for-70 the past three games. Sunday against Chicago he looked awful. Yet Quinn did not play a down.

Can the Brett Ratliff era be that far away?

Random thoughts..

–Anderson threw for 99 yards, the exact same amount of yards that Green Bay drove for to score its final touchdown.

–Someone asked after the game if the run defense was affected by D'Qwell Jackson's injury. It almost made me regurgitate my chips and salsa.

–I mean, what difference would Jackson have made in a 31-3 loss?

–Aaron Rodgers said after the game that the Packers scout team ran the Browns defense better than the Browns did on Donald Driver's 71-yard touchdown reception.

–That hurts.

–Not near as much as it had to hurt the sellout crowd to watch that game.

–How long can the Browns keep doing this to their fans?

–I wondered it before the play, so I'll wonder it now: Why not try a fake field goal early in the quarter when the Browns were lined at their four. Isn't this a team that needs something like this to make it work?

–After having some success with the Wildcat in Pittsburgh, the Browns ran it once against Green Bay. Josh Cribbs had a knee issue during the week, which might have had something to do with it.

–Someone posited to me that the Browns had no talent. I wonder who is responsible for that. Phil Savage, or Eric Mangini? It's Mangini who traded Kellen Winslow and Braylon Edwards, Mangini who had 23 new players on the roster on opening day, Mangini who brought in every ex-Jet walking. If the coach deserved to be fired after last season, it follows that means the Browns had some talent and the coach did not get much out of it. Which means that inheriting said talent and adding 23 players to the roster — many of them your handpicked guys — means this team should be better. It's not. It's worse.

–The Browns had first-and-goal at the 5 and first-and-goal at the 1 and did not score a touchdown either time. This will lead to problems.

–The next tackle Eric Wright makes in the open field will be the first.

–Though Brodney Pool did whiff early in Driver's big catch.

–Can this get worse? Yes. The Browns go to Chicago next week to play a Bears team that was embarrassed in losing to Cincinnati.

–Then there's all those home games in December.

–Yikes.

What they said:

"I thought we were making progress in a lot of areas. I don't think we showed that today, at all."

–Browns coach Eric Mangini

 

"Because DA was our starter and I felt comfortable with the things that we were doing."

–Mangini, on why he didn't play Brady Quinn

 

"We aren't good right now. Period. Flat out."

–Derek Anderson

 

"We feel like this is a game we should win, and we came out and dominated."

–Packers CB Charles Woodson

 

"This was a weird game, to be honest. It was a little chippy at times and very quiet in the third quarter to where on third down I can hear myself and everybody on the field can hear me as well. There was a different feel to it."

–Packers QB Aaron Rodgers

{ 18 comments… read them below or add one }

terje October 25, 2009 at 8:26 pm

c'mon mangini lovers! tell us about being patient with "the process" and how he has brought "discipline" to the team. after you're done please step in front of a semi truck on the interstate.

Brian D. October 25, 2009 at 8:30 pm

C'mon Pat, any decent engineer knows that to calculate the velocity of the pigeon you need not only the initial velocity but the acceleration of the pigeon and how long he has been in flight.

I can't stop rooting for the Browns, Indians and Cavs because I have too much invested emotionally at this point in my life. And surely as soon as I stop rooting, they will win it all.
So, I'll continue to be as passionate as ever until they do win a title…or I die…whichever comes first.

This article sums up my feelings pretty well…

http://xr.com/tez

Rich G2 October 25, 2009 at 9:13 pm

Piss off…terje. What exactly have you demonstrated to everybody? That the Browns are a bad football team? Because you have no faith whatsoever that we should join you in what ever hell you live in. I choose to have faith, maybe not this year or the next year, maybe never in my lifetime. But, just maybe the stars will align and the football gods will smile over my hapless team and grant us a championship. You may then jump on the bandwagon, I will help you on myself.

alan t. October 25, 2009 at 9:18 pm

Quinn must be wondering about the formula for coke? Why? Now I see why Mangini benched him, Quinn has no sense whatsoever. All he has to do is ask the running back.

terje October 25, 2009 at 9:25 pm

rich g2, don't confuse faith with stupidity. mangini ain't the guy.

alan t. October 25, 2009 at 9:29 pm

I recall some genius, in a post here last week, writing that the reason is a murderer's row of a schedule to start the season, or something. Just for the sake of clarity, these are last season's records of this murderer's row. It's not even enough to warrant a minimum security prison. Not that facts will ever change a homer's or shill's mind:

Minnesota 10-6
Denver 8-8
Baltimore 11-5
Cincinnati 4-11
Buffalo 7-9
Pittsburgh 12-4
Green Bay 6-10

bigtime October 25, 2009 at 11:37 pm

I applaud you. Someone in this town telling it like it is. It's time the media stud up for the fans. And send Lerner a message. We are done with Mangini. Time for him to go. I have been saying before he was even hired. It would be a big mistake to hire this guy. And it was not that difficult. for anyone to know that. But the media in this town. talk out of one side of there mouth the change and talk out of the other. Time someone in the media stands up and says ENOUGH

alan t. October 25, 2009 at 11:58 pm

Kind of funny that Miami fans were up in arms when they didn't draft Brady Quinn, and instead drafted Ted Ginn. Now Miami fans are up in arms that Ted Ginn is in his third consecutive season sucking to high heaven, with no end to his suckiness in sight. The guy bobbles punts like a carnival juggler and has a set of catching mitts like the Venus de Milo. Looks like neither Miami nor Cleveland got the best of that draft.

Brian D. October 26, 2009 at 5:12 am

What do the records of the Brown's opponents from LAST YEAR have to do with this year? Here are the records for THIS YEAR:

Minnesota 6-1
Denver 6-0
Baltimore 3-3
Cincinnati 5-2
Buffalo 3-4
Pittsburgh 5-2

Now, if the Browns can't beat teams like the Chiefs, Raiders or Lions later this year, I'll agree that they (or the Rams) will be the worst team in the NFL.
Green Bay 4-2

Richard October 26, 2009 at 9:15 am

The problem is Randy Lerner. He has no idea how to build a successful team. His father didn't either. Mangini probably felt the talent on the team was poor so started cutting away the dead wood leaving little talent to compete. Give him 2 or 3 more years to develop the team. It can't get worse, They are, after all, a 1 win team.

roadkill October 26, 2009 at 10:05 am

hey hey ho ho missgenies gotta go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO CAVS !!!! GO STEELERS!!! its a conspiracy they lost so no one cared who the tribe hired good timing Shappy ps i think the guys gonna be gopf ugh spilledmy coolaide getting sleeepppppeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

alan t. October 26, 2009 at 10:58 am

What do the records of last year have to do with this year???!!! Homer Alert!!!

Because going by last year's schedule and heading into this season, the Browns' strength of schedule was 25th in the NFL. Because everybody has a schedule. Because everybody has an off-season. Because everybody has a schedule. Because everybody has an off-season. Because everybody has a schedule. Because the Browns suck even more than they did last season. Because everybody has an off-season. Because everybody has a schedule.

Answer your question? Probably not.

terje October 26, 2009 at 11:16 am

the record of a non-browns afc central team is skewed because they play a steaming brown and orange pile twice a year. it's like a bcs team playing a division II team at home.

Brian D. October 26, 2009 at 11:37 am

Oh last year's records count for this year? I guess the Titans will make the playoffs then.

Dr. Dawg October 26, 2009 at 4:10 pm

This really not new.I have been with team for 30years and have seen it all , the good times and the bad ones. Firing Mangini is not the answer. The Cleveland media and the fans attached the guy who won four super balls. When I called WKNR and predicted that bill will be the next Paul Brown of the NFL the The professor Jiff Sindelar and Grgg Brandea called a dreamer. I predict the Mangini will takes to the super ball if he is given the chance to be the coach for the next two to four years. so folks cool it and let this coach do his thing. He inherited a bunch of of Guys who are so and so players. This not his team.

alan t. October 26, 2009 at 4:30 pm

Brian D., you're like what I imagine Mangini is like in a meeting with Lerner. Obfuscate, misdirect and sell whatever total BS it is you're trying to sell.

terje October 26, 2009 at 5:03 pm

"He inherited a bunch of of Guys who are so and so players."

one of the most common nonsense statements that is often attributed to this years browns. mangini turned over much of the roster and brought in a bunch of his old players. so this current crop of garbage is largely due to mangini's horrible personnel decisions.

Toby October 26, 2009 at 7:05 pm

Notice the combined records of Brady Quinn's first two opponents 12-1 and he gets benched and D.A.'s is 1-5 against the other opponents. I see a problem with mangini sticking with him, he has had maybe 1 decent game against cincy otherwise he has been "bad d.a."

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