1) Another game, another loss to Pittsburgh. It would be nice to think after one of these games that the Browns are getting closer to Pittsburgh. But they're not. They're … just … not.
2) Spent some time talking to Bruce Arians after the game Sunday. He's the Steelers' offensive coordinator, but he's also a former Browns offensive coordinator. He's a good example of the Browns struggles. He is a very good coach who deserves some consideration to be a team's head coach, but he was fired in Cleveland. He knows football, knows people, knows how to act. He did a very good job with the Browns. His role in leading them to almost win a playoff game in Pittsburgh can't be underestimated. But he was dumped, unceremoniously, by Butch Davis a year later. Arians went on to coach the Steelers receivers before becoming offensive coordinator for Pittsburgh. Last season, he got a ring when the Steelers won the Super Bowl. A guy who couldn't coach in Cleveland has had much to do with Ben Roethlisberger growing into an elite quarterback. So I asked Arians the secret was to the Steelers getting so many receivers running open on Sunday. He did not diminish the skills of the Browns secondary. In fact, he said they're good players and that corners Eric Wright and Brandon McDonald are "solid." But he and the rest of the Steelers noticed on film that the Browns like to blitz a safety on first and second down. So they figured if they protected Roethlisberger they'd have a chance for some big plays because the Browns were vacating an area of the defense on early downs. Lo and behold, the Steelers completed nine passes for longer than 20 yards, two for 19 yards. Nine of the 11 big gains came on — you guessed it — first and second down. When the Browns didn't blitz and rushed three or four, Roethlisberger had more time than any quarterback deserves. This is called good coaching — find something that can work, tell the players to make it work and then call it.
3) Arians reflected back on that Browns playoff loss in Pittsburgh about 37 years ago and thought about his situation with Roethlisberger and the Browns with Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn going back and forth in the position the past two years. That shuffle-the-quarterback theme has been constant since he left. "It's a shame because they've had some quality quarterbacks," he said. "Go with one and he's your guy and live with it and build a football team around him. Quit pretty much playing roulette with that position." Want to bet Brett Ratliff gets some starts before the season ends? And that there's a new quarterback next season? And another new one when the next coach is hired?
4) Arians was asked about the constant change and upheaval with the Browns. A pretty lengthy list of changes since he left was mentioned to him. "There's a word missing there," he said. "It's called patience." The difference between the Steelers and Browns? He used one word: "Continuity." Continuity means two coaches in 17 years. It means the same offensive coordinator for three years. It means a quarterback starting for six years. And a receiver starting for eight years. And a running back who has been there for five years. It means finding a way to do things, finding players to fit that approach and making it work. It means riding out ups and downs, but not settling for less or making excuses for lack of success. It means signing a guy like Brett Keisel because he's a very good three-four end, and keeping him. Brett Keisel might not play for a lot of teams because he doesn't fit the NFL profile. But he fits the Steelers, and he's very effective there. It's why the Steelers are so far different from the Browns right now.
5) I'm just thinking that Josh Cribbs might be earning his contract extension.
6) So Brady Quinn's house is for sale. Let's see. Expensive house. Guy doesn't think he has a long-term future in Cleveland. So a guy figures he'll get a jump on a slow market and put the house up for sale now and hopefully, he figures, when he's traded after the season he'll have the house sold or close to sold. Quinn could get traded today. It's more likely he just put the house up now to save himself some trouble later. The misuse and near waste of this young quarterback's talent will forever hang over the Browns.
7) Interesting how Chansi Stuckey arrives and suddenly displaces Mike Furrey. Furrey has barely seen the field since the trade, while Stuckey has even though he had no practice time at all with his new team — and even though he's not catching passes. Is it because Stuckey played for the Jets? Take a step back here and realize we're talking about Mike Furrey and Chansi Stuckey. It's not like either is Brandon Stokley.
8) In the second quarter Eric Mangini challenged a call on a Willie Parker non-fumble even though there was no good replay that immediately showed it should be challenged. Even with that, Mangini threw the flag — and it made sense. Because if he had won the challenge, he could have changed the momentum of the game. This is the point of replay — to fix the error that is obviously wrong, and to give coaches the chance to choose what plays to challenge. Coaches then decide the risk vs. the reward. Mangini didn't win the challenge, but it was worth the risk — because the reward could have been great.
9) I will never understand the NFL reception rule. Hines Ward catches a pass, falls, rolls over and has the ball. He rolls over again and is out of bounds, and the ball comes out. The official rules it incomplete because he did not get up with the ball even though he had the ball in the end zone. The official ruled it right because that's the way the stupid rule is written. I say stupid because this rule is stupid. And it's stupid for this reason: A running back can run to the goal line, trip, fall and have the ball knocked out of his hands when he falls. Doesn't matter. It's a touchdown. Because he "broke the plane." (Who comes up with these terms anyway?) A receiver, though, can catch a pass, break the plane, get two feet down, fall, roll over and then lose the ball. It's incomplete. This is not even close to being consistent.
10) The Browns actually improved their 12-game, touchdown-to-possession percentage in the game. This is a new stat made up by me. Heading into the game, the Browns had scored on three of their last 128 possessions. That's 2.3 percent. By scoring on one of 12, they are now 4-for-140. That's 2.9 percent. Which means that on Sunday the Browns followed the coach's new dictum of "getting better every day."
Three and Out
Dear Pat,
How about we start to change things by going back to the old uniforms, all white with the orange helmet. Dark tops for away games. Not much else one can do short of gutting the organization and starting over.
Ken Price
Port St. Lucie, Fla.
Dear Ken,
Gutting the organization is not appealing to you?
Dear Pat,
I went to the game Sunday. The Steelers had a man wide open on every play. How? Was it coaching and scheme? Or really bad players?
Tim Abraham
Dear Tim,
Yes.
Dear Pat,
The more I watch Josh Cribbs play the more I am convinced the Browns have to re-do his deal. I am usually not a guy who thinks you re-do a deal but this is the exception to that rule.
Furthermore I think by not re-working a deal that has been so vastly underrated you hurt yourself in the eyes of other potential free agents. NFL contracts are not guaranteed and if he underperformed by the same degree he would be cut tomorrow.
Ed Miller
New Waterford, Ohio
Dear Ed,
Josh Cribbs might be the MVP not just of the Browns but of the league. Take him away and what does this team have?
And, because I like the letters, a bonus two …
Dear Pat,
Braylon Edwards might face formal charges for punching a guy out in Cleveland.
If he truly stands before a jury of his peers, they will probably "drop" the charges …
Eddie Vidmar
Dear Eddie,
Yes, I know … you're here all week.
Let's just drop the subject, OK?
Dear Pat,
Last week's First and 10 was headlined: A true statement could be made this week (against Pittsburgh).
Just the headline alone is cause for laughter. "A statement?"
Here's a statement: We stink.
Marc, from an online comment
Dear Marc,
I agree with you. That is a statement.
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Hi Pat,
I’m a diehard Steelers fan, and you hit the nail right on the head about the pass Hines bobbled while out of bounds. To me I was thinking you got to be kidding, Even Hines was in disbelief about the call. The Ruling is stupid and really needs to be changed. Once a receiver leaves out of bounds the play should be called dead, wither or not he bobbled the ball should not have been a factor once he left out of bounds.
Way to much inconsistancy in the NFL on these type of calls.
Pat,
I completely agree with you on the Ward "drop". I was complaining to my friends while watching the game that there are different rules on how to catch a ball???? That is the most asinine thing that I have ever seen. And if anyone says that they agree with, or even understands, the rules, then Roger Goddell is sending brainwashing gamma rays from Manhattan.
I noticed on one play that the Steelers left 7 guys in to block for Roethlisberger…and the Browns still couldn't cover the 3 receivers with 7 defenders. On many other plays they had 6 blockers…and they consistently found a huge hole in the Brown's zone.
And I was saying the same thing at work this morning about Stuckey replacing Furrey…why?
re: #4) why is it that everyone outside the blast zone and only a few people who have chosen to objective about this team get it? Yes – consistency and patience.
the coaching staff should have been fired before they were even hired…this is an owner who has no idea how he wants the team run or by who…sad, because Brons traditions are his heart and soul, just not his intent in concieving a concept of team goals and image.
magnini is the worst, and he makes nick skorich look like a genius. his quarterback handling makes him outside normal unintelligence; blanton collier would puke at what he is doing with anderson and quinn. we need marty back, or a coach with an ability to build a team concept and then implement it, magnini is an unfortunate victim of his own football stupidity.
who hired him? because that is the one and only Browns' shortcoming. lerner could change it overnight if he had the courage and drive.
The "GAP" is never going to get smaller… Cleveland does not have the ownership, coaching, or players to get close. They should have never brought the team back.
Why not see if Cribbs is really anything more than a wildly overrated special teams specialist? Put him at wide receiver full-time, see if this idiotic Devin Hester argument holds any water. But Mangini won't, because Cribbs never played for the Jets. That was Cribbs' first mistake.
On the unintentional comedy meter, I think it's hilarious that the media questions and quotes Mangini about potential trades and personnel. Nobody even tries to ask George Kokinis a question. I hope Kokinis at least rules the roost at home, because the man is walking around Berea without pants.
Seeing the Broncos play inspired and overachieving football, I’m thinking its 1992 all over again, where ownership passed on Bill Cowher, the young fiery, energetic coach with local ties for the gruff, cerebral, disciplinarian Bill Belichick.
Mangini over Josh McDaniels will haunt this franchise.
please…..everything haunts this franchise. and, nice try, Alan…….you finally wrote something that borders on intelligence. well, it's past four and all the phony trades that the media made up didn't happen….again!
I am so, so tired of reading about the Cribbs contract thing. The guy got a $2 million guaranteed signing bonus out of pure faith. Not bad. As it now stands, he is nothing but a special teams guy. His contract is fair. Until he can consistently show he has other football skills, then his contract remains fair.
And please don't say Cribbs hasn't been given a fair opportunity to show he can play positions other than special teams. So what? Irrelevant. If he hasn't been able to show he has outperformed the value of his contract, then his current contract is totally fair.
And don't counter with so and so got this, and so and so got that. Just because other guys got money they really didn't deserve doesn't mean somebody else should get money they really didn't deserve. I mean, if that's the way it's supposed to work, then give Varejao's ridiculous contract to Leon Powe, too.
I'm tired of people confusing popularity with actual monetary worth for what they actually accomplish when it actually counts. It's a Cleveland low self-esteem thing. The Z Syndrome. They should make the Z Syndrome an official name of a real psychological disease specific to Northeast Ohio. Kind of like the Full Cleveland wardrobe in the 70s that Pat and I used to wear.
consistency and patience only work in a functioning organization. having patience with this group of bozos from the owner down to the fat ballboy masquerading as a head coach is akin to waiting for the great pumpkin to arise on halloween night.
Has there been any comment on why the Steelers were given a first down when the measurment clearly showed they were short.What gives are there special rules for the Steelers in this league.
stan, the browns have an idiot owner, a puppet g.m., the worst head coach in the history of the league and no talent and you're still concerned about a blown judgment call in a game the browns had no chance to win?
I love how everyone spouts Mangini is the worst head coach ever. I have no idea if he is good or bad, nor does anyone else for that matter. Face it Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry or God himself could not win with this team. Our talent level is on par with1999.
I was surfing around on YouTube today, I came across this. That first-down everybody is whining about might have actually been a first down.
http://xr.com/myl0
ed, you can't just pretend new york never happened. let's just say getting canned with a few meaningless assistant coaches from a fairly talented team is not a good sign. so, at the very least he is a bad coach. having watched him for myself over the last four years he gets my vote for worst ever.
also, who's fault is it that the talent is at 1999 level? romeo had pretty much the same guys mangini started with and has come off looking much better in comparison. i never thought things could get worse after crennel's reign. welcome to eric mangini your professional football version of hell.
This is an excerpt from a Sports Illustrated article about the Brown:
"Where in the contract does it stipulate that a coach has to exchange witticisms with the media and banter with the local boosters and lead rounds of Kumbaya on the team charter? Nowhere, that's where. But it never stops, this incessant droning about how you never lighten up, about how you have all the panache of a toaster oven, about how you're not, as they say in the NFL, "a player's coach." …radio talk shows in Cleveland have devolved into floggings. His offense stinks, both hosts and listeners complain. They say that he needs an offensive coordinator… Above all, everyone agrees that he has a serious communication deficit.
One Cleveland columnist calculated that 75% of the Brown season-ticket holders would like to see him canned…Several recently departed Browns have blasted their former boss for being an automaton who offers no positive motivation and sees players only as faceless cogs. "If you question him, you're out of line." "He can't relate to the players." He draws comparisons to Napoleon.
The insanity has been nurtured by much of the Cleveland media, with whom he has been at war almost since day one."
An article from this week's SI about Mangini? Nope, it's from a 1993 article about Bill Belichick.
thanks for the millionth idiotic comparison to belichick.
too bad mangini didn't have the sense to go back to school after the last failed gig like his boss did.
I've now seen the complete video of that measurement. It's now obvious that those homer pinheads (and I say that with love) at that Browns fan site, the one Ridenour keeps egregiously pilfering for her newspaper stories, were dead wrong. That link I posted above is correct. It was an optical illusion, and it indeed was a Pittsburgh first down. Prior to that still screen shot, the same TV camera showed the location of the hashmark. The hashmark was plainly at a severe angle. The camera was at exactly the angle which would produce the illusion the ball was short. It wasn't. First down.
Thanks for posting for me, Brian D. One would think you'd have better things to do than use my name, but whatever.
HEY TERJE,
I STILL RECALL THE SYPER BOWL AGAINST SEATTLE BEN STILL HASN'T CROSSED THE GOAL LINE . SPECIAL RULES FOR THE STEELERS . IT'S NO WONDER THEY ARE HATED
Brian D:
Very well played!
Ed … What was well played? I don't get it.
And why are you protecting Mangini? The guy is both coach and GM by proxy. So with that being the case, why are you throwing yourself in front of Mangini by using the rank excuse of poor personnel, when Mangini himself is the very guy who assembled close to 50% of the roster?
The moron who is posting using my name is right about one thing, I *am* obsessed with that first-down call. So are a lot of other folks I've seen while surfing on some Browns fan sites. I found this after I found the other link. Brownie fans are wrong. So was Rob Ryan. And somebody in the media needs to tell that guy to get a haircut. http://xr.com/fw3
Sorry Alan, but I don't think it is necessary to make posts using your name to make you look like an idiot…I feel you do a pretty good job on your own.
3) This team would be light years better if they had simply built around D.A. after his 2007 season. Yes, he had a rough end to 2008 but, as I believe Sam Rutigliano once said "If you can do it once (re: making plays in the NFL) you can do it again." The Browns have become the place where QB's careers go to die.
The last thing they should do in the draft is pick the next "40 million before they've done anything" can't miss prospect.
4) Lerner needs to put a football person in charge of his operation.
Period. The end.
If Mangini doesn't like it, he should be shown the door.
That's the only way to develop any continuity and sense of direction on this team. When Cowher was hired by Pittsburgh, they didn't change a thing in regards to their fundamental approach to the game. Same thing when they hired Tomlin. Mangini may or may not be a good football coach, but so far he leaves a lot to be desired as a GM and evaluator of talent.
The scope of those jobs are simply too big for one guy, especially for one guy that hasn't proven he can successfully perform one of the three.
5) You clearly aren't in sync with one of your favorite commentators on this one.
6) We kinda part ways on this one. I don't share your misty-eyed sentiments on BQ. I'm way more concerned about the path of the Browns than his career. Besides, at the rate QB's get injured in the league (anyone remember the end of last year?) it's only a matter of time before he gets another chance to show he's capable of playing QB in the NFL. Lastly, he does get paid (and well) for all this suffering, doesn't he? I should be so tormented.
And lastly, a brief comment on the uniforms, since it was brought up in the comments.
This is another example of Mangini thumbing his nose at the fans.
Les Levine mentioned this week that the Browns asked season ticket holders what uniforms they preferred at home games, and 88% said all white (of which I'm a fan as well)
Can't you just see Mangini being told this and saying "That's nice; we're wearing the brown ones."
The cool part of wearing all white at home was that you probably wore it on the road as well since most home teams wear their dark colors at home.
No, this means zip, zilch, nada as it relates to winning games, but it shows Mangini's disdain for what Browns fans want. And, last I checked, fans are the ones who help pay his salary.
Unfortunately, "gutting" the organization was exactly what was needed. To expect the gap between the Steelers and Browns to shorten five games in is a little silly. I suspect there will be concrete improvement in the second half.
I'm not getting enough sunlight throw my mother's basement window. Is it winter yet?
I hate all of you, cause nobody wants to be my friend. What have I said that evrybody hates me so much? Does my breath stink?
I'm not a Browns fan at all, and have been a Steelers fan since I watched my first football game with the Steelers in the Super Bowl in 74. (I do however like the Cavs and Indians) Anyways the reason I am writing is have you seen the Broncos throw back uniforms? To me the brown helmet is not bad – maybe Cleveland should consider a brown color helmet? I am just sick of seeing the ugly orange.
I have a stalker again. Gee, this is terrific. Who knows, maybe it's that "Rick" asshat. Or "Rich G." Who cares, but come on, 7:57 am through 11:33 am? And you say that *I* have too much free time?
Oh. Thanks for the knowledge, alan t. doppelganger. Don't you have classes to attend, or something?
Delayed does that mean a few hours or a few days? ,