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		<title>By: roadkill</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/10/19/steelers-too-much-for-browns-again/comment-page-1/#comment-8055</link>
		<dc:creator>roadkill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for me all i can say is GO CAVS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Steelers!! unfortunate that i still care enough to even hope they will get better sorta like an abused spouse hoping they get back the one the fell in love with then keep taking it like rob H does in the...there you have it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for me all i can say is GO CAVS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Steelers!! unfortunate that i still care enough to even hope they will get better sorta like an abused spouse hoping they get back the one the fell in love with then keep taking it like rob H does in the&#8230;there you have it!</p>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, maybe I misunderstood you, terje.  Halford is indeed God.  Well, maybe not God.  Maybe Christ.  Lemmy is God. 

And Ed, come on.  11 draft picks?  So what?  How many are the equivalent of NBA lottery picks?  Didn&#039;t they get the equivalent of 11 draft picks this past off-season, with all the draft picks and ex-Jets combined?  

Why are so many people so hypnotized by sheer numbers?  Why do people always buy into the spin?  It&#039;s about quality, not quantity.  It&#039;s like being in awe of a Victoria&#039;s Secret model who has 57 boobs.  Call me shallow, but I&#039;m not a fan of birth defects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, maybe I misunderstood you, terje.  Halford is indeed God.  Well, maybe not God.  Maybe Christ.  Lemmy is God. </p>
<p>And Ed, come on.  11 draft picks?  So what?  How many are the equivalent of NBA lottery picks?  Didn&#039;t they get the equivalent of 11 draft picks this past off-season, with all the draft picks and ex-Jets combined?  </p>
<p>Why are so many people so hypnotized by sheer numbers?  Why do people always buy into the spin?  It&#039;s about quality, not quantity.  It&#039;s like being in awe of a Victoria&#039;s Secret model who has 57 boobs.  Call me shallow, but I&#039;m not a fan of birth defects.</p>
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		<title>By: terje</title>
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		<dc:creator>terje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alan, there is nothing wrong with rob halford.  the man is an icon with or without his bondage gear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alan, there is nothing wrong with rob halford.  the man is an icon with or without his bondage gear.</p>
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		<title>By: StanKenton</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/10/19/steelers-too-much-for-browns-again/comment-page-1/#comment-8033</link>
		<dc:creator>StanKenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>16 dropped passes in 2 games? Wide receivers running wide open all game for the other team? At least we stopped their running game. It isnt much but when you suck as badly as the Browns right now you try and find any positive. Someone should write an instruction book based on how Pittsburg is able to game after game have receivers running in the secondary with no Browns DB within 10 yards of them time after time.

We had no TE, Heiden was out and Royal Robert has a finger so bad he can not catch a ball. Edwards is gone. Massaquo drops more than he catches and apparently had never played below 70 degrees before last week or some such silly excuse.

Major differences between Quinn and Anderson. The wins and loses are about the same. But how they look and how they throw and how the team around them plays is much different. We actually get to the red zone and usually score with Anderson despite having no receivers or running game and not even a TE. With Quinn is was automatic 3 and out. Unless he threw a pick or dropped the ball backwards while by himself first.

Can&#039;t blame Quinn for trying to get out of the game as fast as he could even by dropping the ball behind him. This offensive line is not getting it done. We need at least 1 maybe 2 wide receivers, 2 maybe 3 offensive lineman, a running back, a tight end and then if the offense still is not going anywhere we can talk about QB. Right now this team is so bad it is is a miracle they move the ball downfield even once a game against a decent defense.

Then you get to defense where you need a CB, a LB or 2, 2 defensive lineman, and probably a safety.

Good thing we have 11 draft picks, they better hit on 9 starters with those picks, they need that many just be competitive.  Talking about a new QB is like talking about replacing Jimmy Johnson as a driver if he was losing driving the family SUV in NASCAR races. Until they give Anderson at least some talent around him you are wasting time switching QBs. Bringing in another young QB to try and win without blocking or receivers and no running game will only serve to get him beat up and lose his confidence and hurt his arm like Couch and so many QBs before and after him. You bring in your QB when you have a good team and the QB is the final piece in the puzzle and then that QB can succeed. That is why guys like Flacco and Ben did well and guys like Harrington and Carr failed. It was far less about the QBs talent and more about the talent on the team.

Every one of the 9 drops last week and 7 this week puts more pressure and uncertaintity into the QBs head and makes his job impossible. The receivers hang on to those very catchable balls, balls any good receiver catches 98 out of 100 times and the games are way different and we today are talking about how the Browns upset Pittsburg on a day they had 500 yards of offense and lost.

The scary thing no might be that other than Mack we may have gotten not one good player from last years draft. One player a draft is not going to help us catch up with teams that have far more talent than we have. And 11 picks will mean nothing if only the first rounder helps.

Tough day to be an optimist and a Browns fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>16 dropped passes in 2 games? Wide receivers running wide open all game for the other team? At least we stopped their running game. It isnt much but when you suck as badly as the Browns right now you try and find any positive. Someone should write an instruction book based on how Pittsburg is able to game after game have receivers running in the secondary with no Browns DB within 10 yards of them time after time.</p>
<p>We had no TE, Heiden was out and Royal Robert has a finger so bad he can not catch a ball. Edwards is gone. Massaquo drops more than he catches and apparently had never played below 70 degrees before last week or some such silly excuse.</p>
<p>Major differences between Quinn and Anderson. The wins and loses are about the same. But how they look and how they throw and how the team around them plays is much different. We actually get to the red zone and usually score with Anderson despite having no receivers or running game and not even a TE. With Quinn is was automatic 3 and out. Unless he threw a pick or dropped the ball backwards while by himself first.</p>
<p>Can&#039;t blame Quinn for trying to get out of the game as fast as he could even by dropping the ball behind him. This offensive line is not getting it done. We need at least 1 maybe 2 wide receivers, 2 maybe 3 offensive lineman, a running back, a tight end and then if the offense still is not going anywhere we can talk about QB. Right now this team is so bad it is is a miracle they move the ball downfield even once a game against a decent defense.</p>
<p>Then you get to defense where you need a CB, a LB or 2, 2 defensive lineman, and probably a safety.</p>
<p>Good thing we have 11 draft picks, they better hit on 9 starters with those picks, they need that many just be competitive.  Talking about a new QB is like talking about replacing Jimmy Johnson as a driver if he was losing driving the family SUV in NASCAR races. Until they give Anderson at least some talent around him you are wasting time switching QBs. Bringing in another young QB to try and win without blocking or receivers and no running game will only serve to get him beat up and lose his confidence and hurt his arm like Couch and so many QBs before and after him. You bring in your QB when you have a good team and the QB is the final piece in the puzzle and then that QB can succeed. That is why guys like Flacco and Ben did well and guys like Harrington and Carr failed. It was far less about the QBs talent and more about the talent on the team.</p>
<p>Every one of the 9 drops last week and 7 this week puts more pressure and uncertaintity into the QBs head and makes his job impossible. The receivers hang on to those very catchable balls, balls any good receiver catches 98 out of 100 times and the games are way different and we today are talking about how the Browns upset Pittsburg on a day they had 500 yards of offense and lost.</p>
<p>The scary thing no might be that other than Mack we may have gotten not one good player from last years draft. One player a draft is not going to help us catch up with teams that have far more talent than we have. And 11 picks will mean nothing if only the first rounder helps.</p>
<p>Tough day to be an optimist and a Browns fan.</p>
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		<title>By: Linebacker59</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linebacker59</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect Mangini&#039;s first conversation with Lerner went like this: There&#039;s no possible way the 2009 Browns will be even average.  The best you can hope for is to get a couple starters out of the &#039;09 draft, get a high draft position in 2010, accumulate extra draft picks by trading the few marketable players you have - who won&#039;t be here by the time you get respectable in any scenario - and hope to draft enough talent in &#039;10 to start a legitimate rebuilding project.  Switch to Mangini-Lerner conversation 10/19/09:  Progressing as planned.
btw - Colt McCoy will be their first choice in &#039;10 -- not necessarily my favorite, just my prediction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect Mangini&#039;s first conversation with Lerner went like this: There&#039;s no possible way the 2009 Browns will be even average.  The best you can hope for is to get a couple starters out of the &#039;09 draft, get a high draft position in 2010, accumulate extra draft picks by trading the few marketable players you have &#8211; who won&#039;t be here by the time you get respectable in any scenario &#8211; and hope to draft enough talent in &#039;10 to start a legitimate rebuilding project.  Switch to Mangini-Lerner conversation 10/19/09:  Progressing as planned.<br />
btw &#8211; Colt McCoy will be their first choice in &#039;10 &#8212; not necessarily my favorite, just my prediction.</p>
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		<title>By: EastSideJo</title>
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		<dc:creator>EastSideJo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking at the Browns roster. Of the 22 starters I&#039;m beating 7 guys won&#039;t be in football in two years. Another 9 are bench players. I&#039;d say 6 are legit starters. It will take at least three years to accumulate talent and turn this team around. By then another cohort of players will be ready to retire. Even in the best of circumstances you are looking at four years before we have a contender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m looking at the Browns roster. Of the 22 starters I&#039;m beating 7 guys won&#039;t be in football in two years. Another 9 are bench players. I&#039;d say 6 are legit starters. It will take at least three years to accumulate talent and turn this team around. By then another cohort of players will be ready to retire. Even in the best of circumstances you are looking at four years before we have a contender.</p>
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		<title>By: cursedfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>cursedfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big difference is no continuity from the Browns. Since 2003 the only acquired player on this team  is Pontbriand. Contrast that with the Steelers who have been around for years. The management of the Browns has been all over the place too at all levels.. Again, no continuity. Always rebuilding. There is no talent on this team other than Cribbs. Noone to throw the ball too. Noone worth squat in coverage. Why was it so easy to find seams over the middle in the zones? Why was it so easy for Pitt. to complete bubble screens out in the flat for 8-10 yards? Could no adjustments have been made?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big difference is no continuity from the Browns. Since 2003 the only acquired player on this team  is Pontbriand. Contrast that with the Steelers who have been around for years. The management of the Browns has been all over the place too at all levels.. Again, no continuity. Always rebuilding. There is no talent on this team other than Cribbs. Noone to throw the ball too. Noone worth squat in coverage. Why was it so easy to find seams over the middle in the zones? Why was it so easy for Pitt. to complete bubble screens out in the flat for 8-10 yards? Could no adjustments have been made?</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to piggyback on Ed&#039;s point of the 11 picks: if you think for a split second things will turn around next season with 11 more fresh faces, I&#039;m sorry to rain on the parade, but...

So: can even the hard core &quot;we need a #1 pick QB&quot; people admit that Sam Bradford isn&#039;t in the mix now... seriously folks? I just hope he&#039;s not done for all together. 

Agree on the so-called rivalry point, and that Roethlisberger is among the elite. He might be (gasp?!) Brett Favre 2.0. Sorry, but I have more &#039;hate&#039; for the Ravens than I do the Steelers, but I haven&#039;t been living in the past with this team either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;d like to piggyback on Ed&#039;s point of the 11 picks: if you think for a split second things will turn around next season with 11 more fresh faces, I&#039;m sorry to rain on the parade, but&#8230;</p>
<p>So: can even the hard core &#034;we need a #1 pick QB&#034; people admit that Sam Bradford isn&#039;t in the mix now&#8230; seriously folks? I just hope he&#039;s not done for all together. </p>
<p>Agree on the so-called rivalry point, and that Roethlisberger is among the elite. He might be (gasp?!) Brett Favre 2.0. Sorry, but I have more &#039;hate&#039; for the Ravens than I do the Steelers, but I haven&#039;t been living in the past with this team either.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of how people feel about his coaching ability we better hope he can evaluate talent. The Browns have 11 picks this year. We need hits on a lot of those picks. If not we will remain bad for a very long time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of how people feel about his coaching ability we better hope he can evaluate talent. The Browns have 11 picks this year. We need hits on a lot of those picks. If not we will remain bad for a very long time</p>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just found this link on ESPN&#039;s website, it is for a new Browns documentary that is part of their &quot;30 for 30&quot; documentary series.  It documents the Browns under the Lerner years.  It is historically accurate and surprisingly quite good.     http://xr.com/qi4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found this link on ESPN&#039;s website, it is for a new Browns documentary that is part of their &#034;30 for 30&#034; documentary series.  It documents the Browns under the Lerner years.  It is historically accurate and surprisingly quite good.     <a href="http://xr.com/qi4" rel="nofollow">http://xr.com/qi4</a></p>
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