<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: The Browns look awful in Denver</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/20/the-browns-look-awful-in-denver/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/20/the-browns-look-awful-in-denver/</link>
	<description>Musings on the world of sports</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 04:17:00 -0500</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Salinian</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/20/the-browns-look-awful-in-denver/comment-page-1/#comment-7399</link>
		<dc:creator>Salinian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=4278#comment-7399</guid>
		<description>Great stuff from Alan and Geoff. Really good stuff Beckham, Greg, Elizabeth, Johah, et al. 

You did very well, too, Patrick.

It must be acknowledged this is Mangini&#039;s show, Mangini&#039;s Way, Mangini&#039;s personnel decisions. Things are happening as they are in no small part because Mangini thought he wanted things this way and/or that the makings of what helped make things this way were thought by Mangini to be good enough. What else should we conclude? So, this doesn&#039;t bode well.

There are some good things to note. But so much is very bad that the good may not last. It&#039;s already failing to show endurance beyond halftime. 

Not that I suspect we necessarily failed to, but we all may need to brace ourselves, as this was only Week Two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff from Alan and Geoff. Really good stuff Beckham, Greg, Elizabeth, Johah, et al. </p>
<p>You did very well, too, Patrick.</p>
<p>It must be acknowledged this is Mangini&#039;s show, Mangini&#039;s Way, Mangini&#039;s personnel decisions. Things are happening as they are in no small part because Mangini thought he wanted things this way and/or that the makings of what helped make things this way were thought by Mangini to be good enough. What else should we conclude? So, this doesn&#039;t bode well.</p>
<p>There are some good things to note. But so much is very bad that the good may not last. It&#039;s already failing to show endurance beyond halftime. </p>
<p>Not that I suspect we necessarily failed to, but we all may need to brace ourselves, as this was only Week Two.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: alan t.</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/20/the-browns-look-awful-in-denver/comment-page-1/#comment-7394</link>
		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=4278#comment-7394</guid>
		<description>Those brown pants make huge asses appear even larger than they already are.  I wonder what Kim Kardashian would look like if she was shoehorned into a pair of those pants.  That would be awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those brown pants make huge asses appear even larger than they already are.  I wonder what Kim Kardashian would look like if she was shoehorned into a pair of those pants.  That would be awesome.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Geoff Beckman</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/20/the-browns-look-awful-in-denver/comment-page-1/#comment-7393</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Beckman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=4278#comment-7393</guid>
		<description>Elizabeth, you might be right about which team has allowed the most sacks since 1999-- but only because Houston didn&#039;t start playing until 2002.  Over the last 7 seasons, it hasn&#039;t been close-- Texans 324, Browns 260.

To save you the trouble of hunching that the Browns&#039; offensive line has still been worse than the Texans, in some respect, here are two more tidbits:

1.  If we compare the teams in their seven seasons since the expansion draft, Houston wins 324-313.

2. The Texans two worst seasons for sacks were 76 (in 2002) and 68 (in 2005). The Browns&#039; two worst seasons in &lt;b&gt;franchise history&lt;/b&gt; (well, since 1982, when the NFL started keeping the stat) were 60 (1999) and 54 (2006).

More importantly, your general point is wrong. Brady Frye didn&#039;t get sacked for the first time until the first play of the third quarter. And it was the &lt;b&gt;only&lt;/b&gt; time he was sacked in that quarter. 

He had a long, long time to throw on many of his attempts in the first half-- but he still gained only 57 yards (on 8-12 passing).

Once they went up 20-6 (with 2:38 gone in the fourth quarter), the Broncos started to come after (alternate snarky name) Tim Quinn on every play.  But that was on the Browns&#039; tenth offensive possession. When the line breaks down after giving up only one sack in nine drives it&#039;s not entirely appropriate to point fingers at the blocking.

I would agree with the general proposition that the offensive line sucks. Alex Mack, apart from being a huge reach, isn&#039;t playing well.  The right tackle won&#039;t even win the distinction of being the &quot;best St. Clair in Browns history.&quot; And any team who signs a player nicknamed &quot;Pork Chop&quot; really deserves what it gets.

(Let&#039;s see... we&#039;ve had Big Money, Mad Dog, Turkey, Pork Chop... What kind of nickname would scare this franchise off a player?  &quot;White Powder&quot;?  &quot;Cheese Ball&quot;?  &quot;ACL&quot;? &quot;Packin&quot;?)

The problem is that Mangenius brought them all in, so it&#039;s tough to say &quot;Give him time.&quot;  Matter of fact, 22 guys of the 52-man roster weren&#039;t here a year ago-- that&#039;s 42% of the roster.

The Browns went 4-12 a year ago, but had the legitimate extenuating circumstances of (a) a tough schedule and (b) injuries that compelled them to play Bruce Gradkowski and Brady Quinn&#039;s blue bankie at QB for four games.

This team looks like it&#039;s going to be a lot worse, against a weaker schedule. And they haven&#039;t had any injuries of consequence (No, Rex Hadnot doesn&#039;t count).

Looks like they just suck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth, you might be right about which team has allowed the most sacks since 1999&#8211; but only because Houston didn&#039;t start playing until 2002.  Over the last 7 seasons, it hasn&#039;t been close&#8211; Texans 324, Browns 260.</p>
<p>To save you the trouble of hunching that the Browns&#039; offensive line has still been worse than the Texans, in some respect, here are two more tidbits:</p>
<p>1.  If we compare the teams in their seven seasons since the expansion draft, Houston wins 324-313.</p>
<p>2. The Texans two worst seasons for sacks were 76 (in 2002) and 68 (in 2005). The Browns&#039; two worst seasons in <b>franchise history</b> (well, since 1982, when the NFL started keeping the stat) were 60 (1999) and 54 (2006).</p>
<p>More importantly, your general point is wrong. Brady Frye didn&#039;t get sacked for the first time until the first play of the third quarter. And it was the <b>only</b> time he was sacked in that quarter. </p>
<p>He had a long, long time to throw on many of his attempts in the first half&#8211; but he still gained only 57 yards (on 8-12 passing).</p>
<p>Once they went up 20-6 (with 2:38 gone in the fourth quarter), the Broncos started to come after (alternate snarky name) Tim Quinn on every play.  But that was on the Browns&#039; tenth offensive possession. When the line breaks down after giving up only one sack in nine drives it&#039;s not entirely appropriate to point fingers at the blocking.</p>
<p>I would agree with the general proposition that the offensive line sucks. Alex Mack, apart from being a huge reach, isn&#039;t playing well.  The right tackle won&#039;t even win the distinction of being the &#034;best St. Clair in Browns history.&#034; And any team who signs a player nicknamed &#034;Pork Chop&#034; really deserves what it gets.</p>
<p>(Let&#039;s see&#8230; we&#039;ve had Big Money, Mad Dog, Turkey, Pork Chop&#8230; What kind of nickname would scare this franchise off a player?  &#034;White Powder&#034;?  &#034;Cheese Ball&#034;?  &#034;ACL&#034;? &#034;Packin&#034;?)</p>
<p>The problem is that Mangenius brought them all in, so it&#039;s tough to say &#034;Give him time.&#034;  Matter of fact, 22 guys of the 52-man roster weren&#039;t here a year ago&#8211; that&#039;s 42% of the roster.</p>
<p>The Browns went 4-12 a year ago, but had the legitimate extenuating circumstances of (a) a tough schedule and (b) injuries that compelled them to play Bruce Gradkowski and Brady Quinn&#039;s blue bankie at QB for four games.</p>
<p>This team looks like it&#039;s going to be a lot worse, against a weaker schedule. And they haven&#039;t had any injuries of consequence (No, Rex Hadnot doesn&#039;t count).</p>
<p>Looks like they just suck.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/20/the-browns-look-awful-in-denver/comment-page-1/#comment-7392</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=4278#comment-7392</guid>
		<description>I think, Jonah, its going to be a season-long process - kind of like the 2009 Indians season. You&#039;ll either be converted by the end of the season or you&#039;re on your way out and he&#039;ll find a free agent to replace you in 2010. It doesn&#039;t make sense, I will admit, but that&#039;s what this seems like to me. Delusional - you bet - but not out of the norm for some of these coaching/management types.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think, Jonah, its going to be a season-long process &#8211; kind of like the 2009 Indians season. You&#039;ll either be converted by the end of the season or you&#039;re on your way out and he&#039;ll find a free agent to replace you in 2010. It doesn&#039;t make sense, I will admit, but that&#039;s what this seems like to me. Delusional &#8211; you bet &#8211; but not out of the norm for some of these coaching/management types.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mark Perkins</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/20/the-browns-look-awful-in-denver/comment-page-1/#comment-7391</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Perkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=4278#comment-7391</guid>
		<description>At least now I know why they are playing in pantyhose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least now I know why they are playing in pantyhose.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jonah</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/20/the-browns-look-awful-in-denver/comment-page-1/#comment-7390</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=4278#comment-7390</guid>
		<description>Eliz, just how is Mangini (who I frankly do not trust as a coach or person) gonna &quot;get his people&quot; onto the team?  Where do you find, say, 30 &quot;better&quot; players than what we have now?  Certainly not the draft.  He showed us his &quot;skill&quot; in that area, didn&#039;t he?  Mack?  Robiskie?  They&#039;re real contributors, eh?  Sign 30 free agents?  Could never afford that, and players don&#039;t wanna come here, anyway.  Trades?  Not happening.  

The Browns have fallen into an endless cycle of mediocrity, with no apparent way to get out of it.  Yes, it&#039;s unwatchable, but it&#039;s no different than the past nine seasons (sans &#039;07, with the easiest sked on record).  Modell and his accomplice, Lerner, accomplished the unthinkable:  They&#039;ve made Browns football irrelevant in Cleveland.  I guess Art really DID get the last laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eliz, just how is Mangini (who I frankly do not trust as a coach or person) gonna &#034;get his people&#034; onto the team?  Where do you find, say, 30 &#034;better&#034; players than what we have now?  Certainly not the draft.  He showed us his &#034;skill&#034; in that area, didn&#039;t he?  Mack?  Robiskie?  They&#039;re real contributors, eh?  Sign 30 free agents?  Could never afford that, and players don&#039;t wanna come here, anyway.  Trades?  Not happening.  </p>
<p>The Browns have fallen into an endless cycle of mediocrity, with no apparent way to get out of it.  Yes, it&#039;s unwatchable, but it&#039;s no different than the past nine seasons (sans &#039;07, with the easiest sked on record).  Modell and his accomplice, Lerner, accomplished the unthinkable:  They&#039;ve made Browns football irrelevant in Cleveland.  I guess Art really DID get the last laugh.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/20/the-browns-look-awful-in-denver/comment-page-1/#comment-7389</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=4278#comment-7389</guid>
		<description>I found my &quot;make it look like I&#039;m doing something at work project&quot; for the day: I&#039;m going to see if the Browns have led all of the NFL is sacks allowed since 1999. I&#039;m guessing I might be right on my hunch.

I only watched about 10 minutes of the game, but I&#039;ve seen the same thing over and over again. How can you move in a pocket that 2 seconds after the snap allows you a space of 3 ft. to work in? 

I appreciate Cribbs trying to take some of the blame, but he seems to be the only guy out there willing to learn a new position or &quot;roll with the punches&quot;.

I have a feeling that this is the year of weeding out people. Its like a college team: you hire a new coach and he can&#039;t win with what he&#039;s got till he gets &quot;his guys in&quot;. Lets hope that includes some offensive linemen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found my &#034;make it look like I&#039;m doing something at work project&#034; for the day: I&#039;m going to see if the Browns have led all of the NFL is sacks allowed since 1999. I&#039;m guessing I might be right on my hunch.</p>
<p>I only watched about 10 minutes of the game, but I&#039;ve seen the same thing over and over again. How can you move in a pocket that 2 seconds after the snap allows you a space of 3 ft. to work in? </p>
<p>I appreciate Cribbs trying to take some of the blame, but he seems to be the only guy out there willing to learn a new position or &#034;roll with the punches&#034;.</p>
<p>I have a feeling that this is the year of weeding out people. Its like a college team: you hire a new coach and he can&#039;t win with what he&#039;s got till he gets &#034;his guys in&#034;. Lets hope that includes some offensive linemen!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: David Dobson</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/20/the-browns-look-awful-in-denver/comment-page-1/#comment-7388</link>
		<dc:creator>David Dobson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=4278#comment-7388</guid>
		<description>I intend to turn down the TV volume next week awhile listening to my Mom&#039;s old Barry Mannillo records ..&quot;can&#039;t live with out you...just can&#039;t live without you&quot; serenity for 3 hours as I witness lethargic,  pathetic, horrendous, terrible, boring so called NFL football...no wait, at least one of the two teams not wearing an orange helmet is considered an NFL football team..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I intend to turn down the TV volume next week awhile listening to my Mom&#039;s old Barry Mannillo records ..&#034;can&#039;t live with out you&#8230;just can&#039;t live without you&#034; serenity for 3 hours as I witness lethargic,  pathetic, horrendous, terrible, boring so called NFL football&#8230;no wait, at least one of the two teams not wearing an orange helmet is considered an NFL football team..</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: geddy</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/20/the-browns-look-awful-in-denver/comment-page-1/#comment-7387</link>
		<dc:creator>geddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=4278#comment-7387</guid>
		<description>watching the browns &quot;offense&quot; does nothing but offend the viewer.  they&#039;ve taken their game-planning to the absolute extreme of conservatism, even when it&#039;s proven ineffective two games in a row.  mangini looks so caught up in how he&#039;s going to run the team that he forgets there are actual football games to worry about every sunday, in between his little behavioral experiments.  and greg, i had the same thought, the only winnable game appears to be the lions at this point...though even that may be a long shot, as they&#039;re actually showing some signs of improvement from week to week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>watching the browns &#034;offense&#034; does nothing but offend the viewer.  they&#039;ve taken their game-planning to the absolute extreme of conservatism, even when it&#039;s proven ineffective two games in a row.  mangini looks so caught up in how he&#039;s going to run the team that he forgets there are actual football games to worry about every sunday, in between his little behavioral experiments.  and greg, i had the same thought, the only winnable game appears to be the lions at this point&#8230;though even that may be a long shot, as they&#039;re actually showing some signs of improvement from week to week.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Greg M. Schwartz</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/20/the-browns-look-awful-in-denver/comment-page-1/#comment-7386</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg M. Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 06:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=4278#comment-7386</guid>
		<description>That pillow fight w/ the Lions in November has potential for being a contest between the two worst NFL teams of all time. Looking more and more like Randy Lerner has absolutely NO clue about hiring a coach, so the only way the Browns will ever be any good is if/when the chump sells the team. Seems like he is cursed by a combination of stupidity and bad karma from his dad helping Art move the team</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That pillow fight w/ the Lions in November has potential for being a contest between the two worst NFL teams of all time. Looking more and more like Randy Lerner has absolutely NO clue about hiring a coach, so the only way the Browns will ever be any good is if/when the chump sells the team. Seems like he is cursed by a combination of stupidity and bad karma from his dad helping Art move the team</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
