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Brady Quinn and the Browns offense

by Pat McManamon on September 17, 2009

in Brady Quinn, Browns, Eric Mangini, McManamon

Brady Quinn had some interesting things to say in his media interview Wednesday that, to me at least, indicate his decisions on where to throw the ball are a result of coaching.

Thirteen of Quinn’s 21 completions in the opener went to backs or tight ends. Most of his throws were short and underneath. His per-attempt average: 5.9 yards, 25th in the league.

Either Quinn is a classic dink and dunker, or he’s being coached to take the checkdown, quickly.

Quinn is a guy who has been described to me as someone who will do his best to do what he’s coached to do. Coach advises him to change his grip, he’ll adjust and go with it. Coach advises him to throw nothing but outs, he’ll do the best he can at throwing outs. So if a coach advises him to throw underneath, take the checkdown and be safe, then he’ll do the best he can at that particular part of the offense.

Keep in mind that Quinn’s college coach, Charlie Weis, probably did not give Quinn a lot of leeway. Weis comes from the Belichick-Parcells tree, and no doubt Weis wanted Quinn to do what he told him to do.

Quinn has been coached this way for some time.

This is not a bad thing, necessarily. Quinn’s a good guy. He cares, and tries to do the best he can at what he’s told. An offense can be successful this way.

And coaches love players like this. Because they don’t try to override the “system.” Because most coaches believe their system is paramount.

A coach like Eric Mangini, especially, would seem to like this kind of quarterback. Other coaches, like Rex Ryan, might like a more spontaneous guy, a guy who might take charge on the field because he saw something he liked. Peyton Manning calls a lot of his own audibles, and has freedom to do so.

Manning has vast experience, though, and Quinn doesn’t. Not many coaches give young quarterbacks a lot of freedom. They figure he’s got enough to worry about. This could help a young quarterback, but it also takes away his spontaneity and ability to just “go play.”

There’s always a tension. A quarterback might want to do certain things, but the coach might want to do other things. Chemistry, team goals, winning come into play. No coach will live with a quarterback who does his own thing if the team is losing and being fractured. That being said, a coach might have to live with a quarterback going his own way if the team is winning and the team believes in him. Dan Marino in Miami sometimes would decide what was being called wasn’t working, and he’d tell the offense: “We’re throwing every down from here on.” He believed in himself that much. And if the team won, Don Shula smiled and said great call, and if it lost, Shula smiled and said, “That’s Marino.” Then he tried to talk to Marino about not changing the plays so often. You might recall one Bernie Kosar getting himself into trouble with one Bill Belichick when he changed too many calls.

So we have Quinn, who did not throw down the field often in the opener. Was that Quinn’s style and personality, or is that what he’s being coached to do?

The answer, it seems, lies in Quinn’s answer Wednesday when he was asked to describe the offense.

“That’s a tough one,” he said.

Doesn’t seem that tough, but we’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.

“We’re an offense that’s going to try to push the ball down the field in a methodical way,” he said. “Whether it be through making smart decisions, checks, things of that nature, running the football.  Obviously, in taking what the defense gives us.  We’re not going to try to force something if we don’t have to.  We’re going to play smart football.”

How many key words could a guy use?

Methodical. Taking what is given. Not forcing something. Smart football.

Is there any doubt now that Quinn is being coached to take the underneath throw, and that 90-some percent of the time Quinn is going to do just that. Because he’s that kind of player.

Quinn then was asked if the offense keeps him from throwing down the field.

“I would say this offense is still young.,” he said. “I don’t think you necessarily put a label on a young infant when it’s first starting out.  This is after one game of the season.  I wouldn’t go too much based off preseason.  I’d say we’re still growing, still getting better and better.”

Translation: Of course we are, so far.

The point: It would seem that Mangini and offensive coordinator Brian Daboll are more responsible for the Browns decisions than Quinn, who is probably doing what he is being coached to do.

And it would seem wise for all of us to understand that the checkdown style of offense might just be the one we see for a while.

{ 11 comments }

Lorenzo Jones September 17, 2009 at 8:41 am

Pat – you make good points about the coaches controlling the style of play and asking Quinn to make the short, safe passes. But what you failed to discuss is "WHY?" Is it because the coaches (irregardless of the QB) want to have an offense like that…or is it because they think this type of offence best suits the natural skills (or lack thereof) of their QB, Quinn.

To me, when Quinn throws deep, he looks like a high-school QB that puts his entire effort into throwing the ball 28 yards in the air…and it is still ends up looking like a floater.

My point – the root cause of the dink and dunk MAY BE that the coaches are telling Quinn what to do. But I think they are telling him what to do because their assessment is that the short pass is what he can do best. (and the long, downfield passing game is what he struggles at).

This begs the question – can we build an NFL team around a QB who struggles throwing the ball downfield?

Lorenzo

Marc September 17, 2009 at 8:44 am

In other words, we can expect to see a predictable, boring, stagnant offense. You know, like the one that scored zero touchdowns for nearly 7 consecutive games.

Do you know why so many people hopped on the D.A. bandwagon? Because the offense in '07 was wide-open and scored a lot of points. It wasn't the bland, boring, losing approach we saw prior to and following '07. Fans are so turned off by boring football, it's very hard to watch. Mangini seems to insist upon it. And it will be to his detriment, as the fans find other things to do on Sundays and this team progresses no further than a typical "checkdown" pass travels.

Elizabeth September 17, 2009 at 8:44 am

If I hear "grinding" or "separating" from him, I'll toss my cookies… I got into sports to escape all the thesaurus abuse from my so-called professional life.

Its only been one game and maybe (not holding my breath) once Brady gets some success and some wins under his belt – establishes some kind of clout with Mangini – maybe he'll be allowed to go off the script once in a while.
For now – with a new system, new coach, etc. – I don't really mind the "by the book" approach. You've got to crawl before you can run.

Jason September 17, 2009 at 9:21 am

Sanchez didn't do much crawling with the Jets.
Ryan didn't do much crawling with the Falcons.
Roethlesberger didn't do much crawling with the Steelers.
Flacco didn't do much crawling with the Ravens.

I'm just sayin'….why is it okay for OTHER teams around the league to insert a raw rookie into their lineup and WIN immediately, but the Browns feel we're better off having OUR qb stand-and-watch for two seasons, then go in and crawl some more?

There's something fundamentally WRONG about the way this team has operated for the past 25 years.

Elizabeth September 17, 2009 at 9:25 am

Yes Jason, but don't Sanchez, Ryan, Roethlesberger and Flacco have some help on the offense?

But were under Belicheck-lite, which might be the bigger problem.

Rich G. September 17, 2009 at 9:28 am

It could be looked at in so many different ways. If Quinn could move the chains and it takes fifteen plays and he scores. He accomplishes many things, the opponents defense is gets tired and he controls the clock, his defense is rested. I personally prefer a team that controls the ball by possesion. Yes its ugly football, but just ask the Buffalo Bills what happens when you give a team too much time on the clock.

Rich G. September 17, 2009 at 9:33 am

hmmm…Sanchez, Rothesberger, Flacco, and Ryan had help.

Rothesberger… had a stifling defense that gave him wondeful field position and two dominate RBs, so all he did was hand the ball off as a QB.
Ryan…same situation as Rothesburger.
Flacco…had the number one RB in the NFL and the schedule they played was weak.
Sanchez..has done nothing as of yet. He can't be included to hel plays in the playoffs.

Matt September 17, 2009 at 10:02 am

So everyone seems to feel that those other teams' QBs were successful because "they had help." Okay, I'll go along. But Mangini came in here and turned over nearly 1/2 of the roster. Are we saying that his pieces-n-parts STINK? Or just his scheme? And if it's the roster that stinks, just how are we supposed to get better? Thru the draft? Ha! We passed up talent left and right to trade down, down, down. Free agents? Ha! Haven't you read/heard the report that agents are steering their clients *away* from the Browns and Mangini's dictatorship?

Dudes, it's either try to open things up and win with this group, or be prepared for a long, drawn-out, wheels-in-the-mud grind to perhaps mediocrity. Frankly, I can see us finishing with the worst record in the NFL and Tim Tebow on this team next April. (Ahh, but of course, he'll have to sit and learn under Quinn, then play in a stifling offense that won't utilize his skills, either.)

Elizabeth September 17, 2009 at 2:10 pm

I guess I should just get to the basis of my overall point when it comes to the Browns: its going to take more than a quarterback to turn this around.

Here's something else I've been wondering: will there ever be a point this season when the control-freak mentality is tossed aside? I understand that maybe its in overdrive for a lot of reasons (get the players back on track from the country club days with Romeo, disciple of Billy, trying to set the tone in a new city) but maybe a couple wins, maybe a little flexibility?

Clint September 17, 2009 at 11:22 pm

You guys all wanna bring up Roethlisberger, Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan! They've all got the benefit of a great defense, a solid running game to take pressure off them! Flacco still was babied along. So was Ben Roethlisberger when he won 15 games as a rookie. People don't use their heads. We are the way we are for a reason, many reasons. This didn't get this way overnight, and it isn't going to fix itself overnight. It's going to take time. If the Browns are patient with Quinn, QB will no longer be a concern for the organization or the fans. He will put forth a performance that is steady and consistent.

geddy September 17, 2009 at 11:45 pm

Seriously, does anyone doubt at this point that Mangini will be lining up at the same buffet with Romeo Crennel within a few years as Lerner quickly selects a new GM and coach after an exhaustive 20 minute search?

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