Comments on: First and 10: Too negative for just one loss? http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/15/first-and-10-too-negative-for-just-one-loss/ Musings on the world of sports Tue, 02 Feb 2010 04:17:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Healthy Moms http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/15/first-and-10-too-negative-for-just-one-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-7395 Healthy Moms Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:03:54 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=4201#comment-7395 We love your blog and just wanted to stop and say hello! We love your blog and just wanted to stop and say hello!

]]> By: alan t. http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/15/first-and-10-too-negative-for-just-one-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-7262 alan t. Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:53:21 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=4201#comment-7262 Joyce B., really. I know very little about the female anatomy and I'm no pharmacist, but don't they make PMS pills? Joyce B., really. I know very little about the female anatomy and I'm no pharmacist, but don't they make PMS pills?

]]> By: ClayMatthewsSchoolforLaterals http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/15/first-and-10-too-negative-for-just-one-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-7256 ClayMatthewsSchoolforLaterals Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:39:54 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=4201#comment-7256 I usually think of them as more of a Ren & Stimpy team, with Pat as the big, dumb one, and Alan as the manic, aggressive one. (Example: Stimpy - "Help, Ren, help" Ren - "Breathe, stupid, you forgot to breathe!) I usually think of them as more of a Ren & Stimpy team, with Pat as the big, dumb one, and Alan as the manic, aggressive one. (Example: Stimpy – "Help, Ren, help"
Ren – "Breathe, stupid, you forgot to breathe!)

]]> By: Joyce B http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/15/first-and-10-too-negative-for-just-one-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-7255 Joyce B Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:26:56 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=4201#comment-7255 Pat, I wish you would take your drunken Irish butt to a Pub in Ireland accompanied by your buddy, Alan T, and stay there, arguing with other shanty Irish drunks about soccer until Alan gets punched out. Be as negative as you want, it's ok.....I just don't like either of you. Your Abbott and Costello act is getting tiresome! Pat, I wish you would take your drunken Irish butt to a Pub in Ireland accompanied by your buddy, Alan T, and stay there, arguing with other shanty Irish drunks about soccer until Alan gets punched out. Be as negative as you want, it's ok…..I just don't like either of you. Your Abbott and Costello act is getting tiresome!

]]> By: Tbomb http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/15/first-and-10-too-negative-for-just-one-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-7250 Tbomb Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:34:53 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=4201#comment-7250 4 sacks in game one as opposed to 17 for all of last year... 4 sacks in game one as opposed to 17 for all of last year…

]]> By: alan t. http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/15/first-and-10-too-negative-for-just-one-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-7249 alan t. Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:24:36 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=4201#comment-7249 Marc, that's a cop-out excuse. Quinn has had plenty of time to do everything. Plenty of repetition. Mangini's James Bond thing with the quarterbacks was imbecilic, but it had nothing to do with the performance of any of the players this past Sunday. I also hate the excuse of blaming "different systems," the same way Terry Pluto always apologized for Drew Gooden because Gooden had to have 62 different head coaches. I mean, think about it. Everybody has changes at work. We all deal with it, stumble over stuff for the first several weeks until it starts to get comfortable. The players have training camp and exhibition games. By the time the regular season starts, there should be zero excuses. Either you know the new system at work, or you've been too lazy to learn about it and/or just haven't been paying attention and/or you're just a stupid person with little brain capacity to learn new things. Marc, that's a cop-out excuse. Quinn has had plenty of time to do everything. Plenty of repetition. Mangini's James Bond thing with the quarterbacks was imbecilic, but it had nothing to do with the performance of any of the players this past Sunday.

I also hate the excuse of blaming "different systems," the same way Terry Pluto always apologized for Drew Gooden because Gooden had to have 62 different head coaches. I mean, think about it. Everybody has changes at work. We all deal with it, stumble over stuff for the first several weeks until it starts to get comfortable. The players have training camp and exhibition games. By the time the regular season starts, there should be zero excuses. Either you know the new system at work, or you've been too lazy to learn about it and/or just haven't been paying attention and/or you're just a stupid person with little brain capacity to learn new things.

]]> By: alan t. http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/15/first-and-10-too-negative-for-just-one-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-7248 alan t. Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:12:55 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=4201#comment-7248 No, Geoff, I was aware of that, but thank you for reminding me. Aside from the utter ridiculousness of that part of the agreement just to appease the nimrods (yes, everybody knows that Art Modell and Al Davis and Jerry Jones had a secret agreement to get their grubby little hands on the name, the colors and the records ... not.) it's two different franchises, two different teams, two different record books, two different stadiums, one team gets staph infections and the other doesn't, two different everything. The Titans are not the Texans, the Texans are not the Titans, the Bobcats are not the Hornets, the Hornets are not the Bobcats, the Cleveland Browns of 1950 are not the Cleveland Rams of 1945 nor the St. Louis Rams nor the St. Louis Cardinals. STOP IT! Jim Brown's records have absolutely NOTHING to do with Jamal Lewis' 35 seconds it takes him to step on the accelerator. The woefulness of the last 10 years has nothing to do with the mediocrity of the first 45. STOP IT! Thank you. Drive through. No, Geoff, I was aware of that, but thank you for reminding me. Aside from the utter ridiculousness of that part of the agreement just to appease the nimrods (yes, everybody knows that Art Modell and Al Davis and Jerry Jones had a secret agreement to get their grubby little hands on the name, the colors and the records … not.) it's two different franchises, two different teams, two different record books, two different stadiums, one team gets staph infections and the other doesn't, two different everything. The Titans are not the Texans, the Texans are not the Titans, the Bobcats are not the Hornets, the Hornets are not the Bobcats, the Cleveland Browns of 1950 are not the Cleveland Rams of 1945 nor the St. Louis Rams nor the St. Louis Cardinals.

STOP IT! Jim Brown's records have absolutely NOTHING to do with Jamal Lewis' 35 seconds it takes him to step on the accelerator. The woefulness of the last 10 years has nothing to do with the mediocrity of the first 45. STOP IT!

Thank you. Drive through.

]]> By: Marc http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/15/first-and-10-too-negative-for-just-one-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-7247 Marc Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:10:22 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=4201#comment-7247 It's not rocket science. Mangini cost us any chance of winning this game by not choosing a starting QB from the get-go, and allowing him to play, play, play with the first-teamers, develop chemistry, timing and awareness. An in Brady's case, just PLAY in game situations. He's been rusting on the sidelines for two years now. Funny how the Jets immediately place their rookie QB in the starting lineup, and...victory! But in Cleveland? No, never! That's not profitable! Gotta sit, stand and watch for years before you're "ready." That's complete CRAP. It's not rocket science. Mangini cost us any chance of winning this game by not choosing a starting QB from the get-go, and allowing him to play, play, play with the first-teamers, develop chemistry, timing and awareness. An in Brady's case, just PLAY in game situations. He's been rusting on the sidelines for two years now.

Funny how the Jets immediately place their rookie QB in the starting lineup, and…victory! But in Cleveland? No, never! That's not profitable! Gotta sit, stand and watch for years before you're "ready." That's complete CRAP.

]]> By: Wile E. Coyote http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/15/first-and-10-too-negative-for-just-one-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-7246 Wile E. Coyote Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:56:48 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=4201#comment-7246 Coach Sam Rutigliano made an excellent point last night on the Point After . Because of the QB competition Brady and Anderson only had about 31 passes each in 4 preseason games ,this is not enough to gel with your receivers . There were several teams that also had one as well,I would be curious to see how they faired Sunday as well. But his point was it will take a couple of games for all of them to get on the same page. Hopefully when Womack come back in a week or 2 the front line will improve even more. I would also try to find a way to put Fraley in as a guard like they spoke of earlier in the preseason. They still have the long snapper as a backup. Coach Sam Rutigliano made an excellent point last night on the Point After . Because of the QB competition Brady and Anderson only had about 31 passes each in 4 preseason games ,this is not enough to gel with your receivers . There were several teams that also had one as well,I would be curious to see how they faired Sunday as well. But his point was it will take a couple of games for all of them to get on the same page.
Hopefully when Womack come back in a week or 2 the front line will improve even more. I would also try to find a way to put Fraley in as a guard like they spoke of earlier in the preseason. They still have the long snapper as a backup.

]]> By: Geoff Beckman http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/15/first-and-10-too-negative-for-just-one-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-7244 Geoff Beckman Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:59:09 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=4201#comment-7244 Three thoughts here: 1. Alan apparently isn't aware of the signed agreement, where the NFL awarded the city of Cleveland an expansion franchise and also said, in legally binding terms, that the franchise would have the right to the name "Browns", the colors and the records, etc.. So you can say you have been a Browns fan since 1946, just as Barack Obama can say he is a natural-born citizen of the united States, even though his father was not born in the US. (If he has forgotten, this might be a concern. Loss of short-term memory is usually a sign of excessive steroid use.) 2. My take on the game offensively is somewhat harsher than Pat's. My theory is that the halftime lead can be attributed to the amount of crack cocaine available in the Greater Cleveland area: A. The Browns scored a field goal because Brad Childress (under in influence of Bolivian Marching Powder) decided to try an onside kick. I can understand the logic to some degree "I have a good defense, they have a terrible offense, how much can this hurt me?" (The alternative explanation was that he lost at Truth or Dare.) B. The Browns scored a touchdown because the Vikings' kicking teams are atrocious, and the unit's coach (also doing rock) directed his punter to kick it to Josh Cribbs. C. They scored a field goal because the defensive back decided to commit a penalty on Braylon Edwards, rather than (a) intercept the underthrown ball or (b) let him alone and permit him to drop it. (You know that guy was on crack) D. They scored a touchdown on the NFL's version of a two word expression that dates back to my college days and begins with the word "mercy." 3. Defensively? At halftime, Brett Favre had dropped back to pass 14 times, and Adrian Peterson had 9 attempts-- three against a goal-line defense.More proof that Childress was on crack. Exactly one of Peterson's carries came in the second quarter. After the first half-- when someone apparently performed an intervention--Peterson had 16 touches to Favre's 11. 4. Speaking of inept performances, I rather like the "13 touches producing 37 net yards" (11 passes for 47 yards and two sacks for -10) that the Cleveland QB put up in the first half. Coupled with the "3 touches for 13 yards (and one INT)" in the third quarter, that means Garo Ypremian, Jr. went 12-21 for 145 yards <b>after</b> the Vikings went up by two scores. 5. That said, Pat, I recently received an e-mail that I believe sums up the feelings of many fans: "I don't get everything they did, but I have to hope they know what they're doing. I figure they deserve a chance, and some benefit of the doubt. This may work out. It also may not. I have no idea. But I do know if it doesn't it will probably cost the front office their jobs." Being that KokMan has coached all of one game for the Browns, and they inherited a rat's nest from Romeo Crennel, maybe you could take those sentiments to heart? Three thoughts here:

1. Alan apparently isn't aware of the signed agreement, where the NFL awarded the city of Cleveland an expansion franchise and also said, in legally binding terms, that the franchise would have the right to the name "Browns", the colors and the records, etc.. So you can say you have been a Browns fan since 1946, just as Barack Obama can say he is a natural-born citizen of the united States, even though his father was not born in the US.

(If he has forgotten, this might be a concern. Loss of short-term memory is usually a sign of excessive steroid use.)

2. My take on the game offensively is somewhat harsher than Pat's. My theory is that the halftime lead can be attributed to the amount of crack cocaine available in the Greater Cleveland area:

A. The Browns scored a field goal because Brad Childress (under in influence of Bolivian Marching Powder) decided to try an onside kick. I can understand the logic to some degree "I have a good defense, they have a terrible offense, how much can this hurt me?" (The alternative explanation was that he lost at Truth or Dare.)

B. The Browns scored a touchdown because the Vikings' kicking teams are atrocious, and the unit's coach (also doing rock) directed his punter to kick it to Josh Cribbs.

C. They scored a field goal because the defensive back decided to commit a penalty on Braylon Edwards, rather than (a) intercept the underthrown ball or (b) let him alone and permit him to drop it. (You know that guy was on crack)

D. They scored a touchdown on the NFL's version of a two word expression that dates back to my college days and begins with the word "mercy."

3. Defensively? At halftime, Brett Favre had dropped back to pass 14 times, and Adrian Peterson had 9 attempts– three against a goal-line defense.More proof that Childress was on crack.

Exactly one of Peterson's carries came in the second quarter.

After the first half– when someone apparently performed an intervention–Peterson had 16 touches to Favre's 11.

4. Speaking of inept performances, I rather like the "13 touches producing 37 net yards" (11 passes for 47 yards and two sacks for -10) that the Cleveland QB put up in the first half.

Coupled with the "3 touches for 13 yards (and one INT)" in the third quarter, that means Garo Ypremian, Jr. went 12-21 for 145 yards after the Vikings went up by two scores.

5. That said, Pat, I recently received an e-mail that I believe sums up the feelings of many fans:

"I don't get everything they did, but I have to hope they know what they're doing. I figure they deserve a chance, and some benefit of the doubt. This may work out. It also may not. I have no idea. But I do know if it doesn't it will probably cost the front office their jobs."

Being that KokMan has coached all of one game for the Browns, and they inherited a rat's nest from Romeo Crennel, maybe you could take those sentiments to heart?

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