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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/10/4150/comment-page-1/#comment-7175</link>
		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Bill James and David Ortiz shop at the same Internet pharmacy, because James was no soothsayer on that one.  Lucky pharmaceutical guess. 

I have a much better idea than paying some dude to watch some Peruvian kid play stickball.  Teams with traditionally lousy pitching should pound the pavement and search Third World hospital birth records for babies born with birth defects.  Specifically, extra fingers.  Beginning at the age of 4, teach them how to throw a slider and a curveball.  By the time they turn 20, they&#039;ll be virtually unhittable.  

Santonio Alfonso Gomeiquez, the new pitching ace of the 2026 Cleveland Indians, master of the six-finger sinker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Bill James and David Ortiz shop at the same Internet pharmacy, because James was no soothsayer on that one.  Lucky pharmaceutical guess. </p>
<p>I have a much better idea than paying some dude to watch some Peruvian kid play stickball.  Teams with traditionally lousy pitching should pound the pavement and search Third World hospital birth records for babies born with birth defects.  Specifically, extra fingers.  Beginning at the age of 4, teach them how to throw a slider and a curveball.  By the time they turn 20, they&#039;ll be virtually unhittable.  </p>
<p>Santonio Alfonso Gomeiquez, the new pitching ace of the 2026 Cleveland Indians, master of the six-finger sinker.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Beckman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Beckman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Small-market teams can&#039;t afford to scout like the big clubs? Horse apples. Posnanski-- and to the degree that you accept his reasoning, you-- are both full of unrefined manure. 

Scouts cost (counting salary and all expenses) less than the major league minimum. You can get six good ones for the annual cost of one mediocre free agent. If they find you one major-leaguer every three years, they&#039;re more than worth the money.

It&#039;s even less expensive to run a Latin American operation-- you can sign 50 teenagers for pesos. Even if 47 of them bust out, you&#039;re still making out.

And yet, the teams that suck, year in and year out, always have the smallest scouting staffs. But they always have money to waste on signing cadavers to big-bucks contracts.

Two years ago, Kansas City signed Jose Guillen $36 million for three years. Two years and $24 Big Ones later, he&#039;s hit .257  (702 OPS) in 950 at-bats.  That $24 million would have run the finest scouting operation in baseball for 5-10 years.

This year they &lt;b&gt;acquired&lt;/b&gt; Yuniesky Betancourt-- one of the worst players in baseball. They gave up two prospects--and took on about $7 million in salary until 2011-- to get a player with a .690 OPS.  

In 2006, Pittsburgh handed Damaso Marte-- a 30-year-old middle reliever-- $6 million. A year later, they traded for the $11 million contract of Matt Morris (32 and at the point of his career where he was an &quot;innings-eater&quot;). 

Posnanski&#039;s vintage whine dismisses the possibility of teams using the &lt;i&gt;Moneyball&lt;/i&gt; approach, because teams like Boston and New York pay better. He fails to mention that Kansas City was the home of Bill James-- the guy who started crunching all those numbers.

He fails to mention that more than one Kansas City media outlet suggested that the Royals talk to James (who was a diehard fan) and that the Royals disparaged James&#039;s work for close to two decades. 

Eventually the Red Sox picked him up for chump change (a lot less than the major-league minimum). And his first recommendation, according to 60 Minutes, was &quot;you guys ought to sign this David Ortiz guy who just got cut by the Twins&quot;.

For what the Indians have wasted on Trot Nixon, Jason Michaels, David Dellucci, Jason Johnson, Mas Kpbayashi, et al., they could have scouts in every country in Latin America (where they get most of their good players). For what the Orioles have wasted on overpriced free agents, they could own a couple of those countries.

Yes, it&#039;s quite difficult to compete with teams who can outspend you by 5-600%. But when small-market teams don&#039;t use the strategies that permit them to compete more efficiently-- when they imitate the most self-destructive and useless strategies of the big teams-- it&#039;s hard to have any sympathy for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Small-market teams can&#039;t afford to scout like the big clubs? Horse apples. Posnanski&#8211; and to the degree that you accept his reasoning, you&#8211; are both full of unrefined manure. </p>
<p>Scouts cost (counting salary and all expenses) less than the major league minimum. You can get six good ones for the annual cost of one mediocre free agent. If they find you one major-leaguer every three years, they&#039;re more than worth the money.</p>
<p>It&#039;s even less expensive to run a Latin American operation&#8211; you can sign 50 teenagers for pesos. Even if 47 of them bust out, you&#039;re still making out.</p>
<p>And yet, the teams that suck, year in and year out, always have the smallest scouting staffs. But they always have money to waste on signing cadavers to big-bucks contracts.</p>
<p>Two years ago, Kansas City signed Jose Guillen $36 million for three years. Two years and $24 Big Ones later, he&#039;s hit .257  (702 OPS) in 950 at-bats.  That $24 million would have run the finest scouting operation in baseball for 5-10 years.</p>
<p>This year they <b>acquired</b> Yuniesky Betancourt&#8211; one of the worst players in baseball. They gave up two prospects&#8211;and took on about $7 million in salary until 2011&#8211; to get a player with a .690 OPS.  </p>
<p>In 2006, Pittsburgh handed Damaso Marte&#8211; a 30-year-old middle reliever&#8211; $6 million. A year later, they traded for the $11 million contract of Matt Morris (32 and at the point of his career where he was an &#034;innings-eater&#034;). </p>
<p>Posnanski&#039;s vintage whine dismisses the possibility of teams using the <i>Moneyball</i> approach, because teams like Boston and New York pay better. He fails to mention that Kansas City was the home of Bill James&#8211; the guy who started crunching all those numbers.</p>
<p>He fails to mention that more than one Kansas City media outlet suggested that the Royals talk to James (who was a diehard fan) and that the Royals disparaged James&#039;s work for close to two decades. </p>
<p>Eventually the Red Sox picked him up for chump change (a lot less than the major-league minimum). And his first recommendation, according to 60 Minutes, was &#034;you guys ought to sign this David Ortiz guy who just got cut by the Twins&#034;.</p>
<p>For what the Indians have wasted on Trot Nixon, Jason Michaels, David Dellucci, Jason Johnson, Mas Kpbayashi, et al., they could have scouts in every country in Latin America (where they get most of their good players). For what the Orioles have wasted on overpriced free agents, they could own a couple of those countries.</p>
<p>Yes, it&#039;s quite difficult to compete with teams who can outspend you by 5-600%. But when small-market teams don&#039;t use the strategies that permit them to compete more efficiently&#8211; when they imitate the most self-destructive and useless strategies of the big teams&#8211; it&#039;s hard to have any sympathy for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s so funny how Mr. Dolan is slammed-to-the-max when he just tries to be honest with local fans, telling them that in the last five years, the Tribe &quot;should&quot; have won a World Series in 2007 and came within an eyelash of the playoffs in 2005...and in a market like this, that&#039;s as good as it gets.   I mean, what was wrong with that logic?  Are Clevelanders so stupid that they think playoffs and a World Series appearance &quot;should&quot; be an ANNUAL thing? 

Try living in Baltimore, Toronto, Cincinnati, Kansas City, Oakland, Pittsburgh....where the owners could easily say:  &quot;Sorry, no .500 season again this year, no playoffs, no World Series, no hope, and no future.&quot;   

I completely agree with Alan T. when he says that Tribe &quot;fans&quot; are among the absolute worst in all of baseball.  And may I just add, the dumbest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s so funny how Mr. Dolan is slammed-to-the-max when he just tries to be honest with local fans, telling them that in the last five years, the Tribe &#034;should&#034; have won a World Series in 2007 and came within an eyelash of the playoffs in 2005&#8230;and in a market like this, that&#039;s as good as it gets.   I mean, what was wrong with that logic?  Are Clevelanders so stupid that they think playoffs and a World Series appearance &#034;should&#034; be an ANNUAL thing? </p>
<p>Try living in Baltimore, Toronto, Cincinnati, Kansas City, Oakland, Pittsburgh&#8230;.where the owners could easily say:  &#034;Sorry, no .500 season again this year, no playoffs, no World Series, no hope, and no future.&#034;   </p>
<p>I completely agree with Alan T. when he says that Tribe &#034;fans&#034; are among the absolute worst in all of baseball.  And may I just add, the dumbest.</p>
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		<title>By: cnpeters</title>
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		<dc:creator>cnpeters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need a shower.  Or a cigarette.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need a shower.  Or a cigarette.</p>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/09/10/4150/comment-page-1/#comment-7169</link>
		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree about that underpants comment thing.  Newspapers are already walking corpses, but even the Internet isn&#039;t going to salvage the little of what&#039;s left when they&#039;ve been reduced to printing pooch porn.  No wonder my dogs&#039; paws are always sticky:  

&quot;Savoring and chewing over your dainties is as close to you as your dog is ever going to get without becoming you.  Just understand your underpants hold scents that are the essence of you -- a dear dog&#039;s delight.  Why should your well-behaved cocker spaniel chomp into your boyfriend&#039;s briefs when he can chow down on yummy panties containing secrets of the goddess who rescued him?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about that underpants comment thing.  Newspapers are already walking corpses, but even the Internet isn&#039;t going to salvage the little of what&#039;s left when they&#039;ve been reduced to printing pooch porn.  No wonder my dogs&#039; paws are always sticky:  </p>
<p>&#034;Savoring and chewing over your dainties is as close to you as your dog is ever going to get without becoming you.  Just understand your underpants hold scents that are the essence of you &#8212; a dear dog&#039;s delight.  Why should your well-behaved cocker spaniel chomp into your boyfriend&#039;s briefs when he can chow down on yummy panties containing secrets of the goddess who rescued him?&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just can&#039;t get past the fact that we weren&#039;t rolling out the big bucks in 2007 and made it to the ALCS. I also can&#039;t look past the fact that the Indians are in a mediocre division that could be winnable by any of the five teams that are in it. Everyone in the AL Central is in contention on day one - its just takes some special talent to screw it up bad enough in the first two months like the Indians did this season to ruin those chances.

I do feel bad for the Pirates - because I know someone in their organization - and for KC and Cincinnati. But its never going to change until there&#039;s a salary cap and the field is evened out across the board. For me, its just not fun to watch the same teams/golfers/NASCAR drivers win over and over and over again. Even if I have a hometown team to pull for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just can&#039;t get past the fact that we weren&#039;t rolling out the big bucks in 2007 and made it to the ALCS. I also can&#039;t look past the fact that the Indians are in a mediocre division that could be winnable by any of the five teams that are in it. Everyone in the AL Central is in contention on day one &#8211; its just takes some special talent to screw it up bad enough in the first two months like the Indians did this season to ruin those chances.</p>
<p>I do feel bad for the Pirates &#8211; because I know someone in their organization &#8211; and for KC and Cincinnati. But its never going to change until there&#039;s a salary cap and the field is evened out across the board. For me, its just not fun to watch the same teams/golfers/NASCAR drivers win over and over and over again. Even if I have a hometown team to pull for.</p>
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		<title>By: cnpeters</title>
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		<dc:creator>cnpeters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 03:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, all.

But it&#039;s really hard to make it down to blog #3 on the Ohio.Com blogroll when the top one is headlined by &quot;Pup fascinated with underpants&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, all.</p>
<p>But it&#039;s really hard to make it down to blog #3 on the Ohio.Com blogroll when the top one is headlined by &#034;Pup fascinated with underpants&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: ClayMatthewsSchoolforLaterals</title>
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		<dc:creator>ClayMatthewsSchoolforLaterals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, okay, so it&#039;s not all that bad when you look at the big picture.  But, on a personal level, my anger is based on the 2008/09 collapses following the inexcusable 2007 playoff fold.  Even if the Indians had gone on to lose the 2007 World Series, at least we would have the satisfaction of leaving the revenue-rich Yankees and Red Sox eating our dust. It didn&#039;t happen, and then things fell apart.
It&#039;s a lot easier to cope with a rebuild when you&#039;ve got the golden glow of a recent playoff success to live off of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, okay, so it&#039;s not all that bad when you look at the big picture.  But, on a personal level, my anger is based on the 2008/09 collapses following the inexcusable 2007 playoff fold.  Even if the Indians had gone on to lose the 2007 World Series, at least we would have the satisfaction of leaving the revenue-rich Yankees and Red Sox eating our dust. It didn&#039;t happen, and then things fell apart.<br />
It&#039;s a lot easier to cope with a rebuild when you&#039;ve got the golden glow of a recent playoff success to live off of.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think these facts will shut up the local whiners?  No chance.  Too bad we can&#039;t ship them all to KC, Pitt, or Cincy.  They&#039;d soon realize that they&#039;ve had it pretty darn good for living in the 2nd poorest city in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think these facts will shut up the local whiners?  No chance.  Too bad we can&#039;t ship them all to KC, Pitt, or Cincy.  They&#039;d soon realize that they&#039;ve had it pretty darn good for living in the 2nd poorest city in America.</p>
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