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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/07/31/goodbye-victor-martinez/comment-page-2/#comment-6505</link>
		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 04:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it possible to be a worse baseball fan than a Cleveland Indians baseball fan?  Seriously.  The worst baseball market ever.  If not the worst, then certainly the most stupid.  Averaging 33,000 so far in two games of the series against Detroit.  How much do you want to bet that 12,000 geniuses have showed up just to holler their complaints about dumping salary, and yet are still completely oblivious to the fact that salary was dumped only because they never showed up.  

&quot;I haven&#039;t bought a ticket to an Indians game since 1999, but now let&#039;s all go buy tickets together and scream DOLAN SUCKS!!!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it possible to be a worse baseball fan than a Cleveland Indians baseball fan?  Seriously.  The worst baseball market ever.  If not the worst, then certainly the most stupid.  Averaging 33,000 so far in two games of the series against Detroit.  How much do you want to bet that 12,000 geniuses have showed up just to holler their complaints about dumping salary, and yet are still completely oblivious to the fact that salary was dumped only because they never showed up.  </p>
<p>&#034;I haven&#039;t bought a ticket to an Indians game since 1999, but now let&#039;s all go buy tickets together and scream DOLAN SUCKS!!!&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/07/31/goodbye-victor-martinez/comment-page-2/#comment-6503</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 01:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s eye-opening.  I&#039;ve never seen a year by year breakdown like that, and didn&#039;t realize current owners had outspent Jacobs by such a wide margin.  I&#039;ll be interested in seeing if readers or listeners will admit that they&#039;ve been off base in their payroll remarks.  I&#039;m going to guess *no.* 

It&#039;s like folks who voted for Obama....they can&#039;t tell you why, they just wanted to, no matter if a policy hurts them or not.  No logic or reasoning.  They&#039;re in denial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s eye-opening.  I&#039;ve never seen a year by year breakdown like that, and didn&#039;t realize current owners had outspent Jacobs by such a wide margin.  I&#039;ll be interested in seeing if readers or listeners will admit that they&#039;ve been off base in their payroll remarks.  I&#039;m going to guess *no.* </p>
<p>It&#039;s like folks who voted for Obama&#8230;.they can&#039;t tell you why, they just wanted to, no matter if a policy hurts them or not.  No logic or reasoning.  They&#039;re in denial.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 01:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love listening to the radio shows, by the way.  But the fans just bang the same drum over and over about not spending money, while overlooking the real problems of poor decision-making, signing bad free agents, our own underproducing players (who lack any leadership skills), poor fundamentals, no power in the lineup, mindboggling injuries, no consistency....need we go on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love listening to the radio shows, by the way.  But the fans just bang the same drum over and over about not spending money, while overlooking the real problems of poor decision-making, signing bad free agents, our own underproducing players (who lack any leadership skills), poor fundamentals, no power in the lineup, mindboggling injuries, no consistency&#8230;.need we go on?</p>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/07/31/goodbye-victor-martinez/comment-page-2/#comment-6500</link>
		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 00:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, hey, if you&#039;re going to do that, at least correct my typo.  I don&#039;t want to look any more dumb than I already am.  There&#039;s no such word as &quot;begain.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, hey, if you&#039;re going to do that, at least correct my typo.  I don&#039;t want to look any more dumb than I already am.  There&#039;s no such word as &#034;begain.&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/07/31/goodbye-victor-martinez/comment-page-2/#comment-6499</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 00:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sending it to the WTAM and WKNR talkshow hosts.  It&#039;s time for a little perspective amidst all the bashing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m sending it to the WTAM and WKNR talkshow hosts.  It&#039;s time for a little perspective amidst all the bashing.</p>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/07/31/goodbye-victor-martinez/comment-page-2/#comment-6497</link>
		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I combined it all in one post so you can copy and paste to all your friends, family and neighbors:

Dick Jacobs: The Fake Myth, The Bogus Legend. Easy to see why his business career was so successful when he wasn&#039;t otherwise stealing prime real estate and building monuments to himself. He didn&#039;t really &quot;save&quot; the Indians as much as he shoved money in his pockets to now give to his son Jeff.

Oh, and pay special attention to the Jacobs totals for Year 5 and Year 6. The weasel knew he was going to get a stadium built for him, so public opinion wouldn&#039;t be held against him, nor would any media person make a peep if he cut his payroll by nearly half. Doesn&#039;t matter, everybody was too scared of him, anyway, he could have done anything and they wouldn&#039;t have said anything.

I&#039;m sorry, but this guy Jacobs was a crook and is now laughing underground and mocking each and every moron now calling Dolan a name.

This is a comparison of total payroll over the course of their first 10 years of ownership respectively. These totals *are apples to apples*, I have adjusted all numbers to account for inflation and all totals are in 2009 dollars:

Year 1 Jacobs $16,165,000
Year 1 Dolan $95,946,000

Year 2 Jacobs $16,294,000
Year 2 Dolan $113,451,000

Year 3 Jacobs $15,820,000
Year 3 Dolan $94,489,000

Year 4 Jacobs $23,908,000
Year 4 Dolan $56,953,000

Year 5 Jacobs $27,928,000
Year 5 Dolan $39,187,000

Year 6 Jacobs $14,410,000
Year 6 Dolan $45,836,000

Year 7 Jacobs $27,706,000
Year 7 Dolan $59,948,000

Year 8 Jacobs $44,376,000
Year 8 Dolan $64,157,000

Year 9 Jacobs $53,694,000
Year 9 Dolan $79,113,000

Year 10 Jacobs $66,134,000
Year 10 Dolan $82,000,000 (est. prior to trades)


Here is the order, from highest to lowest, of the last 23 years of Indians payrolls from 1987 through 2009 adjusted for inflation in 2009 dollars, up through the dates before the 2009 trades begain.  You will note that Dolan has 5 of the top 7 payrolls.  Jacobs has 9 of the lowest 11 payrolls:  

1. Dolan
2. Dolan
3. Dolan
4. Jacobs
5. Dolan
6. Jacobs
7. Dolan
8. Jacobs
9. Jacobs
10. Dolan
11. Dolan
12. Dolan
13. Jacobs
14. Dolan
15. Jacobs
16. Dolan
17. Jacobs
18. Jacobs
19. Jacobs
20. Jacobs
21. Jacobs
22. Jacobs
23. Jacobs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I combined it all in one post so you can copy and paste to all your friends, family and neighbors:</p>
<p>Dick Jacobs: The Fake Myth, The Bogus Legend. Easy to see why his business career was so successful when he wasn&#039;t otherwise stealing prime real estate and building monuments to himself. He didn&#039;t really &#034;save&#034; the Indians as much as he shoved money in his pockets to now give to his son Jeff.</p>
<p>Oh, and pay special attention to the Jacobs totals for Year 5 and Year 6. The weasel knew he was going to get a stadium built for him, so public opinion wouldn&#039;t be held against him, nor would any media person make a peep if he cut his payroll by nearly half. Doesn&#039;t matter, everybody was too scared of him, anyway, he could have done anything and they wouldn&#039;t have said anything.</p>
<p>I&#039;m sorry, but this guy Jacobs was a crook and is now laughing underground and mocking each and every moron now calling Dolan a name.</p>
<p>This is a comparison of total payroll over the course of their first 10 years of ownership respectively. These totals *are apples to apples*, I have adjusted all numbers to account for inflation and all totals are in 2009 dollars:</p>
<p>Year 1 Jacobs $16,165,000<br />
Year 1 Dolan $95,946,000</p>
<p>Year 2 Jacobs $16,294,000<br />
Year 2 Dolan $113,451,000</p>
<p>Year 3 Jacobs $15,820,000<br />
Year 3 Dolan $94,489,000</p>
<p>Year 4 Jacobs $23,908,000<br />
Year 4 Dolan $56,953,000</p>
<p>Year 5 Jacobs $27,928,000<br />
Year 5 Dolan $39,187,000</p>
<p>Year 6 Jacobs $14,410,000<br />
Year 6 Dolan $45,836,000</p>
<p>Year 7 Jacobs $27,706,000<br />
Year 7 Dolan $59,948,000</p>
<p>Year 8 Jacobs $44,376,000<br />
Year 8 Dolan $64,157,000</p>
<p>Year 9 Jacobs $53,694,000<br />
Year 9 Dolan $79,113,000</p>
<p>Year 10 Jacobs $66,134,000<br />
Year 10 Dolan $82,000,000 (est. prior to trades)</p>
<p>Here is the order, from highest to lowest, of the last 23 years of Indians payrolls from 1987 through 2009 adjusted for inflation in 2009 dollars, up through the dates before the 2009 trades begain.  You will note that Dolan has 5 of the top 7 payrolls.  Jacobs has 9 of the lowest 11 payrolls:  </p>
<p>1. Dolan<br />
2. Dolan<br />
3. Dolan<br />
4. Jacobs<br />
5. Dolan<br />
6. Jacobs<br />
7. Dolan<br />
8. Jacobs<br />
9. Jacobs<br />
10. Dolan<br />
11. Dolan<br />
12. Dolan<br />
13. Jacobs<br />
14. Dolan<br />
15. Jacobs<br />
16. Dolan<br />
17. Jacobs<br />
18. Jacobs<br />
19. Jacobs<br />
20. Jacobs<br />
21. Jacobs<br />
22. Jacobs<br />
23. Jacobs</p>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/07/31/goodbye-victor-martinez/comment-page-2/#comment-6496</link>
		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is more interesting and revealing than I thought ... here&#039;s a list of payrolls from highest to lowest.  As you&#039;ll note, Dolan has 5 of the top 7.

1.  Dolan
2.  Dolan
3.  Dolan
4.  Jacobs
5.  Dolan
6.  Jacobs
7.  Dolan
8.  Jacobs
9.  Jacobs
10. Dolan
11. Dolan
12. Dolan
13. Jacobs
14. Dolan
15. Jacobs
16. Dolan
17. Jacobs
18. Jacobs
19. Jacobs
20. Jacobs
21. Jacobs
22. Jacobs
23. Jacobs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is more interesting and revealing than I thought &#8230; here&#039;s a list of payrolls from highest to lowest.  As you&#039;ll note, Dolan has 5 of the top 7.</p>
<p>1.  Dolan<br />
2.  Dolan<br />
3.  Dolan<br />
4.  Jacobs<br />
5.  Dolan<br />
6.  Jacobs<br />
7.  Dolan<br />
8.  Jacobs<br />
9.  Jacobs<br />
10. Dolan<br />
11. Dolan<br />
12. Dolan<br />
13. Jacobs<br />
14. Dolan<br />
15. Jacobs<br />
16. Dolan<br />
17. Jacobs<br />
18. Jacobs<br />
19. Jacobs<br />
20. Jacobs<br />
21. Jacobs<br />
22. Jacobs<br />
23. Jacobs</p>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/07/31/goodbye-victor-martinez/comment-page-2/#comment-6495</link>
		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, that came out wrong ... Dolan has #1, #2, #3 and #5 of the top payrolls in team history.  Jacobs has one that was #4, in his final season with the assistance of the public&#039;s stock.  

The fraud is exposed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, that came out wrong &#8230; Dolan has #1, #2, #3 and #5 of the top payrolls in team history.  Jacobs has one that was #4, in his final season with the assistance of the public&#039;s stock.  </p>
<p>The fraud is exposed.</p>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops.  I meant Dolan has four of the top payrolls in team history, not five nor three.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops.  I meant Dolan has four of the top payrolls in team history, not five nor three.</p>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although, now that I stop and really look at it, check out this additional fact:  the Dolan 2009 $82 million payroll prior to these trades exceeded each and every one of Jacobs payrolls, with the exception of only Jacobs&#039; 13th year of ownership!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although, now that I stop and really look at it, check out this additional fact:  the Dolan 2009 $82 million payroll prior to these trades exceeded each and every one of Jacobs payrolls, with the exception of only Jacobs&#039; 13th year of ownership!!!!!</p>
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