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	<title>Comments on: How did the Cliff Lee trade play in Peoria</title>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 05:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, please.  When did Sizemore&#039;s elbow travel down his leg and into his feet?  If the dude is too bored to run out a ground ball, then he should stay home and watch TIVO&#039;d reruns of &quot;Oprah,&quot; just like every other housewife out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, please.  When did Sizemore&#039;s elbow travel down his leg and into his feet?  If the dude is too bored to run out a ground ball, then he should stay home and watch TIVO&#039;d reruns of &#034;Oprah,&#034; just like every other housewife out there.</p>
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		<title>By: rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grady is not hustling cause he&#039;s hurt, but our dumbass coaches and Front Office keep playing him!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grady is not hustling cause he&#039;s hurt, but our dumbass coaches and Front Office keep playing him!!!</p>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m ashamed to admit I&#039;ve always liked the songs &quot;Hard Time&quot; and &quot;Highlife&quot; from the &quot;You Can&#039;t Fight Fashion&quot; album.  But yeah, that thing they did dubbing names of different cities and different sports team names into &quot;My Town&quot; was excruciatingly painful, causing my earwax to shoot straight through my Eustachian tubes, up through my eye sockets, and nearly perforated my brain.  I&#039;m lucky to still be alive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m ashamed to admit I&#039;ve always liked the songs &#034;Hard Time&#034; and &#034;Highlife&#034; from the &#034;You Can&#039;t Fight Fashion&#034; album.  But yeah, that thing they did dubbing names of different cities and different sports team names into &#034;My Town&#034; was excruciatingly painful, causing my earwax to shoot straight through my Eustachian tubes, up through my eye sockets, and nearly perforated my brain.  I&#039;m lucky to still be alive.</p>
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		<title>By: terje</title>
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		<dc:creator>terje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree with you that cleveland isn&#039;t much of a baseball town.  but link that with a turd owner (and his s---heel son who showed his true colors with his &quot;golf&quot; aka &quot;let them eat cake&quot; comment in pittsburgh), the liar ginger who fell in love with travis hafner&#039;s elbow and twitch and you&#039;ve got an ugly combo.

remember when the yankees games were promoted in the stadium days?  do they still do that?  as crappy as the tribe of yesteryear was i can&#039;t get rid of that mangled michael stanley band slogan &quot;tribe 85, this is my team!&quot;.  yuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree with you that cleveland isn&#039;t much of a baseball town.  but link that with a turd owner (and his s&#8212;heel son who showed his true colors with his &#034;golf&#034; aka &#034;let them eat cake&#034; comment in pittsburgh), the liar ginger who fell in love with travis hafner&#039;s elbow and twitch and you&#039;ve got an ugly combo.</p>
<p>remember when the yankees games were promoted in the stadium days?  do they still do that?  as crappy as the tribe of yesteryear was i can&#039;t get rid of that mangled michael stanley band slogan &#034;tribe 85, this is my team!&#034;.  yuck.</p>
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		<title>By: Tbomb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tbomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 02:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shortly after writing that,Pluto was seen ducking into the nearest bathroom[magazine in hand].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shortly after writing that,Pluto was seen ducking into the nearest bathroom[magazine in hand].</p>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 02:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still, the Hafner signing was calculated.  Look at his statistics.  Look at the relative absence of any other power hitters on the roster.  Power hitters are the guys that sell tickets.  Of course it backfired, but there was a method behind it.  

And Wedge&#039;s ridiculous bunny rabbit twitch or not, it doesn&#039;t explain why they can&#039;t sell a freakin&#039; seat to see the Red Sox or Yankees.  It ain&#039;t because of Dolan, it ain&#039;t because of Shapiro, it ain&#039;t because of Wedge.  It&#039;s because the Cleveland baseball market sucks, that wild aberration of power hitters combined with a brand-new stadium notwithstanding.  

My most enjoyable moments watching Wedge were when he had that porn star mustache.  The unintentional comedy meter went haywire for me.  When combined with his rabbit twitch, he looked like a friendly beaver sniffing a bullfrog on a log.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still, the Hafner signing was calculated.  Look at his statistics.  Look at the relative absence of any other power hitters on the roster.  Power hitters are the guys that sell tickets.  Of course it backfired, but there was a method behind it.  </p>
<p>And Wedge&#039;s ridiculous bunny rabbit twitch or not, it doesn&#039;t explain why they can&#039;t sell a freakin&#039; seat to see the Red Sox or Yankees.  It ain&#039;t because of Dolan, it ain&#039;t because of Shapiro, it ain&#039;t because of Wedge.  It&#039;s because the Cleveland baseball market sucks, that wild aberration of power hitters combined with a brand-new stadium notwithstanding.  </p>
<p>My most enjoyable moments watching Wedge were when he had that porn star mustache.  The unintentional comedy meter went haywire for me.  When combined with his rabbit twitch, he looked like a friendly beaver sniffing a bullfrog on a log.</p>
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		<title>By: terje</title>
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		<dc:creator>terje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 02:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the main problem with the 2005 and 2007 teams are that they were managed by wedge.  

you know i don&#039;t ever discount steroids when it comes to hafner.  but his elbow was an obvious problem.  hmm...let&#039;s see.  a dh who can&#039;t play first because of a bad elbow, a big contract and no chance in hell you could dish him to an n.l. team if you need to move him.....calculated?  i get zero no matter how many times i do the math.  i was not one of those guys who ever thought that was a good plan.  that&#039;s on shapiro.  one of his many failures as indians g.m. and by far his biggest failure.

i was an indians fan for years (notice the &quot;was&quot; because after the lee trade i&#039;m done with this crap) and although i haven&#039;t seen a game in cleveland since 1995 i&#039;ve seen a lot of spring training.  there&#039;s a noticeable difference between the way shapiro and wedge do business and the way it was done during charlie and before.  i haven&#039;t been back to spring training in about three years.  why?  because the team blows hairy coconuts from top to bottom.  eric wedge makes my stomach churn.  obviously there are many others who feel the same way as me and i have no doubt that the drop in attendance is at least in part affected by the ginger bast--d and his nervous twitch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the main problem with the 2005 and 2007 teams are that they were managed by wedge.  </p>
<p>you know i don&#039;t ever discount steroids when it comes to hafner.  but his elbow was an obvious problem.  hmm&#8230;let&#039;s see.  a dh who can&#039;t play first because of a bad elbow, a big contract and no chance in hell you could dish him to an n.l. team if you need to move him&#8230;..calculated?  i get zero no matter how many times i do the math.  i was not one of those guys who ever thought that was a good plan.  that&#039;s on shapiro.  one of his many failures as indians g.m. and by far his biggest failure.</p>
<p>i was an indians fan for years (notice the &#034;was&#034; because after the lee trade i&#039;m done with this crap) and although i haven&#039;t seen a game in cleveland since 1995 i&#039;ve seen a lot of spring training.  there&#039;s a noticeable difference between the way shapiro and wedge do business and the way it was done during charlie and before.  i haven&#039;t been back to spring training in about three years.  why?  because the team blows hairy coconuts from top to bottom.  eric wedge makes my stomach churn.  obviously there are many others who feel the same way as me and i have no doubt that the drop in attendance is at least in part affected by the ginger bast&#8211;d and his nervous twitch.</p>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Hafner signing was a calculated risk calculated wrong.  And don&#039;t discount the &#039;roids factor.  Hell, you should go back and read Terry Pluto&#039;s rah-rah column imploring Shapiro to sign him for whatever it took.  Again, it&#039;s selective memory around here.

And granted, Wedge&#039;s Bugs Bunny rabbit twitch isn&#039;t very attractive.  But what was wrong with the 2005 and 2007 teams?  They were missing the steroid-bloated guys from 1995 and 1997, but that&#039;s the only noticeable difference.  So why didn&#039;t Cleveland&#039;s purported Indians fans spend money to attend games to see excellent teams?  Answer:  Indians fans suck.  

Here&#039;s what I think is going on, but without the benefit of Jacobs&#039; shiny new stadium.  Lower expectations and the payroll to zero for the next three years.  Then build for 2012, or so.  Just like Jacobs&#039; penny-pinching did in building for 1994.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Hafner signing was a calculated risk calculated wrong.  And don&#039;t discount the &#039;roids factor.  Hell, you should go back and read Terry Pluto&#039;s rah-rah column imploring Shapiro to sign him for whatever it took.  Again, it&#039;s selective memory around here.</p>
<p>And granted, Wedge&#039;s Bugs Bunny rabbit twitch isn&#039;t very attractive.  But what was wrong with the 2005 and 2007 teams?  They were missing the steroid-bloated guys from 1995 and 1997, but that&#039;s the only noticeable difference.  So why didn&#039;t Cleveland&#039;s purported Indians fans spend money to attend games to see excellent teams?  Answer:  Indians fans suck.  </p>
<p>Here&#039;s what I think is going on, but without the benefit of Jacobs&#039; shiny new stadium.  Lower expectations and the payroll to zero for the next three years.  Then build for 2012, or so.  Just like Jacobs&#039; penny-pinching did in building for 1994.</p>
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		<title>By: terje</title>
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		<dc:creator>terje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and yes, i know that trav is too much of an invalid to play in the n.l.---making his signing even that more more braindead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and yes, i know that trav is too much of an invalid to play in the n.l.&#8212;making his signing even that more more braindead.</p>
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		<title>By: terje</title>
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		<dc:creator>terje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the fans suck????  why would anyone want to see the shapiro/wedge indians???  i&#039;d rather see mtv&#039;s real world on ice than watch that twitching fool and his roster of &quot;grinders&quot;.  wedge has been garbage since day one and the ginger is dolan&#039;s drunk monkey.  

the hafner signing is the preeminent bonehead signing in the last decade of cleveland sports, eclipsing every stupid move danny ferry has made ten times over.  the guy had a bum elbow when he signed that deal.  any fool could have predicted trav&#039;s demise.  a smart g.m. (which shapiro obviously is not because he wasn&#039;t even bright enough to wait out the phillies until tomorrow) would have made philly or whoever was bidding take hafner if they wanted lee and accepted much less in return.  getting that dead weight off the roster would have been a brilliant move.  you could buy a dozen grinders for that kind of dough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the fans suck????  why would anyone want to see the shapiro/wedge indians???  i&#039;d rather see mtv&#039;s real world on ice than watch that twitching fool and his roster of &#034;grinders&#034;.  wedge has been garbage since day one and the ginger is dolan&#039;s drunk monkey.  </p>
<p>the hafner signing is the preeminent bonehead signing in the last decade of cleveland sports, eclipsing every stupid move danny ferry has made ten times over.  the guy had a bum elbow when he signed that deal.  any fool could have predicted trav&#039;s demise.  a smart g.m. (which shapiro obviously is not because he wasn&#039;t even bright enough to wait out the phillies until tomorrow) would have made philly or whoever was bidding take hafner if they wanted lee and accepted much less in return.  getting that dead weight off the roster would have been a brilliant move.  you could buy a dozen grinders for that kind of dough.</p>
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