Comments on: Thoughts on the Browns GM situation from the Pittsburgh press box

By: Marshall

Marshall — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 02:25:57 +0000

Hey, just saw Gruden got fired in Tampa. How about we fire mangini, he hasn't won a damn game for the Brownies. Lets get Gruden!!!

oh, wait, I'm about 4 games into next year ahead of schedule…

By: San Antonio Bill

San Antonio Bill — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:45:19 +0000

Is Lerner getting good old boy advice or is he actually a football savy owner? Which ever type of owner he is it is for certan his name is on the door as well. Being an owner is probably a tough job. It is after all a very exspensive investment. Hopefully, he is getting input from his fellow owners. One can only hope that Mr. Rooney is on that list. In the final analagy Mr. Lerner makes the final decission whether it's a coach or GM.

It seems to me Mr. Lerner has control or should have control of who he hires. He should of not only ask for a resume but also explain to both hires what he expects and what the fans want–a championship and bring Brown's glory years back. I as a fan don't care how Mr.Lerner does it just that he does it. After all this what the fans exspect of Mr. Lerner.

By: CaJohn

CaJohn — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 05:35:53 +0000

Hey Bill,

What do you expect from Bowlen. The idiot hired a coordinator that has no NFL head coaching experience. (yes, it's sarcasm)

By: Bill S

Bill S — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:45:42 +0000

It is amazing that there are so many ignorant owners in the NFL. I mean even now , Pat Bowlen, the owner of the Denver Broncos, who we thought was such a good owner has proved his ignorance by doing the same thing as Randy Lerner. He has also hired a coach before the GM. If only they would ask the brilliant members of the media…sigh…

By: alan t.

alan t. — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:43:42 +0000

Uh … it really didn't turn out too well, barry. If Gilbert had done it the right way originally, basketball wouldn't have been so freakin' offensive to watch since 2005. I also find it astounding that so many people think hiring a coach before a GM turned them into some kind of master champion. Try a 2004-2005 home record of 29-12 on for size, and that's before James could dominate like he does now. They could have done everything with Silas and Paxson, had the same results since then, and maybe it wouldn't have been as torturous to watch for three consecutive cornea-piercing seasons.

Anyway, there's a substantive difference. A football roster has 53 guys, and sticking LeBron at wide receiver probably ain't gonna do much for Mangini. Doing it the way Lerner is doing it defies logic, wisdom and good old-fashioned common sense. It doesn't mean it can't or won't work, but I can't imagine there is anybody with any brains in the business world would advise a CEO to manage their company this way. If this dude didn't have an unlimited supply of inherited money and a local fan base that will buy anything and a stadium lease that is beyond perverted, it's unlikely he would be throwing caution to the wind like he is right now.

And terje, who the hell is kathy? You lost me.

By: terje

terje — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:17:58 +0000

i highly doubt that 32 year old josh mcdaniel is going to be calling all the personnel shots in denver. bowlen has been around long enough to know what kind of g.m. pool he is looking at to match up with his wonderboy. what i don't understand about the mangini hire is why the sub-.500 genius is going to have most of the power. he hasn't done anything at the pro level but the browns are giving him a yes man? i just don't get it but as lou said, it's unusual and it typifies the expansion browns mindset.

By: Lou

Lou — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:48:50 +0000

I agree that hiring the coach before the GM is an unusual situation but what about the Browns since 1999 hasn't been? I hope this situation works out and Lerner is able to find a capable GM. I'm more interested in knowing how the power will be divided as it seems Mangini will have much more input on personnel than Crennel did.

I find it strange that the Broncos are following almost the same blueprint by hiring a coach first but have not received the same criticisms. Granted Bowlen has a much more successful track record than Lerner but it is still the same concept.

I hope that Lerner has learned through this process that maintaining continuity for the sake of continuity (that is, in the absence of success) is just wrong. It is much more important to have people at the top of the org chart who know what they are doing and have them on the same page.

By: terje

terje — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:46:40 +0000

alan, can i trade you stalkers? i'd rather have rick than a shut-in with a crusty sock named "kathy" who masquerades online as a "female executive".

By: jmbsmile4u

jmbsmile4u — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:37:12 +0000

Barry and LynnDawg are on the money. He's made his mistakes, but I'll take Lerner's brainwaves over Terje's anytime! Mangini will right the ship.

By: ProfPaul

ProfPaul — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:04:07 +0000

Why do the Ravens get to dictate the terms of employment for someone who chooses to resign from their organization?