Comments on: Reality stares at the Browns, and this week's entertainment http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/01/03/reality-stares-at-the-browns-and-this-weeks-entertainment/ Musings on the world of sports Tue, 02 Feb 2010 04:17:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Ron S http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/01/03/reality-stares-at-the-browns-and-this-weeks-entertainment/comment-page-1/#comment-1505 Ron S Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:46:18 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=994#comment-1505 Hey Pat, Just thought I should add that Neil's current North American tour is really smokin' hot as well. I saw the Thursday night show in Toronto about a month ago and it was great. He played a lot of the old classics like Cinnamon Girl, Ohio, Powderfinger, Cowgirl in the Sand, Heart of Gold ... and the crowd was singing along word for word. He played a Beatles song for an encore (the one that starts.. "I read the news today, oh boy!") and got totally immersed into a guitar solo, with feet stomping and hair flying. At his age, he stills puts on a great show and brought the crowd to its feet several times. As for the Browns, I think Marty has enough credibility with the fans that they wouldn't start calling for his head after a couple of losses. I suspect that someone like Mangini would have to have instant success right out of the gate and he might not have enough time or patience to deal with the fans or media pressure. Hey Pat,

Just thought I should add that Neil's current North American tour is really smokin' hot as well. I saw the Thursday night show in Toronto about a month ago and it was great. He played a lot of the old classics like Cinnamon Girl, Ohio, Powderfinger, Cowgirl in the Sand, Heart of Gold … and the crowd was singing along word for word. He played a Beatles song for an encore (the one that starts.. "I read the news today, oh boy!") and got totally immersed into a guitar solo, with feet stomping and hair flying. At his age, he stills puts on a great show and brought the crowd to its feet several times.

As for the Browns, I think Marty has enough credibility with the fans that they wouldn't start calling for his head after a couple of losses. I suspect that someone like Mangini would have to have instant success right out of the gate and he might not have enough time or patience to deal with the fans or media pressure.

]]> By: JulioFranco http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/01/03/reality-stares-at-the-browns-and-this-weeks-entertainment/comment-page-1/#comment-1503 JulioFranco Mon, 05 Jan 2009 13:41:47 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=994#comment-1503 Extremely valid questions regarding Mangini, Pat. And he IS the second coming of Crennel, you know. Why he is even involved in the search is beyond me! Which available candidates would capture the imaginations of the greatest number of Browns fans, resulting in a degree of hope and patience? 1. Marty Schottenheimer. 2. Bill Cowher. Lerner needs to make it clear to Cowher that he is serious about pursuing a championship, and not just shrug his shoulders and walk away when told "not until next year". 3. Mike Shanahan. A big dropoff between the top two and number three here. Still, if Shanahan were to be HC only without personnel responsibilities, it may be workable. 4. There are no other valid candidates. Parcells has announced that he is not leaving Miami. It is one of the three above, or another 3-5 years of booing the poor management and coaching of the Cleveland Browns. If one of the three above is not brought on board, I hope Quinn, Cribbs, Thomas, Steinbach, and Anderson are all traded. It would be a pity for them to lose their youth and skills while waiting for competent coaching and management to appear in Berea. Extremely valid questions regarding Mangini, Pat.

And he IS the second coming of Crennel, you know. Why he is even involved in the search is beyond me!

Which available candidates would capture the imaginations of the greatest number of Browns fans, resulting in a degree of hope and patience?

1. Marty Schottenheimer.

2. Bill Cowher. Lerner needs to make it clear to Cowher that he is serious about pursuing a championship, and not just shrug his shoulders and walk away when told "not until next year".

3. Mike Shanahan. A big dropoff between the top two and number three here. Still, if Shanahan were to be HC only without personnel responsibilities, it may be workable.

4. There are no other valid candidates.

Parcells has announced that he is not leaving Miami. It is one of the three above, or another 3-5 years of booing the poor management and coaching of the Cleveland Browns. If one of the three above is not brought on board, I hope Quinn, Cribbs, Thomas, Steinbach, and Anderson are all traded. It would be a pity for them to lose their youth and skills while waiting for competent coaching and management to appear in Berea.

]]> By: Ed http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/01/03/reality-stares-at-the-browns-and-this-weeks-entertainment/comment-page-1/#comment-1496 Ed Sun, 04 Jan 2009 05:29:11 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=994#comment-1496 Anyone who watched the quality of play during the AFC wildcard games today realizes how mediocre we look in comparison. The Browns have humiliated the city, NE Ohio and their fans this year. It is also humiliating to have half of NE Ohio cheering for an out of state team from a town that absolutely hates Cleveland and NE Ohio in general. You will not find a Cavaliers or Indians jersey anywhere in or near that city, yet we line up at our local Walmarts to kiss their !@#$$ and wear their colors. Anyone who watched the quality of play during the AFC wildcard games today realizes how mediocre we look in comparison. The Browns have humiliated the city, NE Ohio and their fans this year. It is also humiliating to have half of NE Ohio cheering for an out of state team from a town that absolutely hates Cleveland and NE Ohio in general. You will not find a Cavaliers or Indians jersey anywhere in or near that city, yet we line up at our local Walmarts to kiss their !@#$$ and wear their colors.

]]> By: Ken http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/01/03/reality-stares-at-the-browns-and-this-weeks-entertainment/comment-page-1/#comment-1494 Ken Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:50:14 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=994#comment-1494 What would the reaction be to a Steelers or Ravens jersey? That would be a totally different boo. There are boos (boo's?) for teams you hate with the passion of 1000 suns, then there are boos that say "That's my team and they screwed up big time and I'm MAD..." I wasn't there, but if I was, I would have booed as well - a loud, angry, ticked-off boo. I was mad about this season, and that, after 30 years of 'wait till next year', I didn't see a desire or passion out of this team, and somebody has a huge job to do to turn this train around. Their biggest problem could be winning over a crowd of people ready to boo at any of the leading candidates! Read the posts and they're filled with passionate people screaming yes and no to each of the leading names... but what you see is passion! What would the reaction be to a Steelers or Ravens jersey? That would be a totally different boo. There are boos (boo's?) for teams you hate with the passion of 1000 suns, then there are boos that say "That's my team and they screwed up big time and I'm MAD…" I wasn't there, but if I was, I would have booed as well – a loud, angry, ticked-off boo.

I was mad about this season, and that, after 30 years of 'wait till next year', I didn't see a desire or passion out of this team, and somebody has a huge job to do to turn this train around. Their biggest problem could be winning over a crowd of people ready to boo at any of the leading candidates! Read the posts and they're filled with passionate people screaming yes and no to each of the leading names… but what you see is passion!

]]> By: ProfPaul http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/01/03/reality-stares-at-the-browns-and-this-weeks-entertainment/comment-page-1/#comment-1492 ProfPaul Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:54:48 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=994#comment-1492 Whoever that guy is playin' on the youtube, I think maybe he could make it in the music biz. Yeah, c'mon... presence of greatness? Hall of Famer, still vibrant and vital when most of his contemporaries are oldies acts or just plain forgotten. Up there with fellow Canadian Joni Mitchell among the most important and finest songwriters of their generation, right behind Dylan who stands alone. Whoever that guy is playin' on the youtube, I think maybe he could make it in the music biz.
Yeah, c'mon… presence of greatness? Hall of Famer, still vibrant and vital when most of his contemporaries are oldies acts or just plain forgotten. Up there with fellow Canadian Joni Mitchell among the most important and finest songwriters of their generation, right behind Dylan who stands alone.

]]> By: alan t. http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/01/03/reality-stares-at-the-browns-and-this-weeks-entertainment/comment-page-1/#comment-1491 alan t. Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:00:13 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=994#comment-1491 The Browns have nothing to be concerned about, and I don't know why you would even say it. It's not like the Cavaliers without James, or the Indians without the 1990s. Media-generated nonsense. Apathy is a problem. Hostility isn't. Purported fan hostility or not, the franchise isn't going anywhere, the stadium will still sell out, and Son of Lerner & Family will still make a profit. Here's my Saturday morning entertainment, which even a sober Bernie Kosar would find amusing: http://littlurl.com/om4s0 The Browns have nothing to be concerned about, and I don't know why you would even say it. It's not like the Cavaliers without James, or the Indians without the 1990s. Media-generated nonsense. Apathy is a problem. Hostility isn't. Purported fan hostility or not, the franchise isn't going anywhere, the stadium will still sell out, and Son of Lerner & Family will still make a profit.

Here's my Saturday morning entertainment, which even a sober Bernie Kosar would find amusing:

http://littlurl.com/om4s0

]]> By: terje http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/01/03/reality-stares-at-the-browns-and-this-weeks-entertainment/comment-page-1/#comment-1490 terje Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:46:20 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=994#comment-1490 pat, i've seen neil around 10 times in the last 20 years. in the 80's when i was still a teen i thought he was an o.k. old guy but when i saw him do "rockin' in the free world" on snl he blew me away. i knew something was up with that guy. i checked him out on a whim at the richfield colosseum a couple years later and he practically made his electric guitar levitate on stage. that was his now infamous "smell the horse" tour in 1991. i was an instant convert. i've tried to go see him when possible over the years and last time was a few years ago in spokane. still great and proof that most of his generation with a few exceptions (bob dylan, lou reed) are nothing more than imitations of rock and roll these days. if any of you had ever been to the record exchange in willoughby there used to be a big harvest promo of neil above the shelves. the owner gave that to me and it sits in a place of honor in my living room. i'm glad people booed the browns at that concert. it is time for randy lerner to put up or shut up. pat, i've seen neil around 10 times in the last 20 years. in the 80's when i was still a teen i thought he was an o.k. old guy but when i saw him do "rockin' in the free world" on snl he blew me away. i knew something was up with that guy. i checked him out on a whim at the richfield colosseum a couple years later and he practically made his electric guitar levitate on stage. that was his now infamous "smell the horse" tour in 1991. i was an instant convert. i've tried to go see him when possible over the years and last time was a few years ago in spokane. still great and proof that most of his generation with a few exceptions (bob dylan, lou reed) are nothing more than imitations of rock and roll these days.

if any of you had ever been to the record exchange in willoughby there used to be a big harvest promo of neil above the shelves. the owner gave that to me and it sits in a place of honor in my living room.

i'm glad people booed the browns at that concert. it is time for randy lerner to put up or shut up.

]]> By: Tbomb http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/01/03/reality-stares-at-the-browns-and-this-weeks-entertainment/comment-page-1/#comment-1489 Tbomb Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:58:58 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=994#comment-1489 Hey Pat, you should catch the interview Terry Gross did with Neil a while back[she's on NPR with a show called Fresh Air....I agree with Brian...we all love the Browns! All I want is for the team to play with the same intensity that the fans show. Hey Pat, you should catch the interview Terry Gross did with Neil a while back[she's on NPR with a show called Fresh Air….I agree with Brian…we all love the Browns! All I want is for the team to play with the same intensity that the fans show.

]]> By: Brian http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2009/01/03/reality-stares-at-the-browns-and-this-weeks-entertainment/comment-page-1/#comment-1488 Brian Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:17:10 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=994#comment-1488 I think the booing by the crowd was a representation of the passion for Cleveland Browns football. A couple of wins early next year and the fans will be chanting "Super Bowl, Super Bowl!" once again. I think the booing by the crowd was a representation of the passion for Cleveland Browns football. A couple of wins early next year and the fans will be chanting "Super Bowl, Super Bowl!" once again.

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