Comments on: First and 10 — Pioli and McKay seem to be the options http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2008/12/30/first-and-10-pioli-and-mckay-seem-to-be-the-options/ Musings on the world of sports Tue, 02 Feb 2010 04:17:00 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: ClayMatthewsSchoolforLaterals http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2008/12/30/first-and-10-pioli-and-mckay-seem-to-be-the-options/comment-page-1/#comment-1455 ClayMatthewsSchoolforLaterals Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:56:12 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=982#comment-1455 I would really appreciate it if we could rebuild without any more Ravens rejects. With the exception of Ozzie Newsome, since he wore the Burnt Orange, I don't trust any of these Modell-tainted wonder dogs that come bounding into town, with all their nifty ideas. The Indians only turned the corner when they stopped hiring Yankee hand-me-downs, most of whom couldn't wait to get back to Gotham city. This isn't a conspiracy theory at work, just a plea to get either home-grown (Ohio) talent, or people who understand the franchise because they either played on the frozen turf, or worked behind the scenes. I would really appreciate it if we could rebuild without any more Ravens rejects.
With the exception of Ozzie Newsome, since he wore the Burnt Orange, I don't trust any of these Modell-tainted wonder dogs that come bounding into town,
with all their nifty ideas. The Indians only turned the corner when they stopped hiring Yankee hand-me-downs, most of whom couldn't wait to get back to Gotham city. This isn't a conspiracy theory at work, just a plea to get either home-grown (Ohio) talent, or people who understand the franchise because they either played on the frozen turf, or worked behind the scenes.

]]> By: Salinian http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2008/12/30/first-and-10-pioli-and-mckay-seem-to-be-the-options/comment-page-1/#comment-1454 Salinian Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:13:14 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=982#comment-1454 I suspect we'd all feel better about future prospects if Randy first empowered a proven NFL executive as organizational overseer to set the tone, establish the attitude, formulate the identity and hire the GM and HC. Were such a personality in place long ago (ever since Ron Wolf was brought in by Policy to help Butch Hubris?), we wouldn't be in the position we're now in nor would we have had to endure the garbage that has instead existed. How can we trust Randy to make the proper adjustments? How can we be optimistic Pioli, who has never hired an NFL head coach, can manage that assignment? How can we trust yet another under-experienced HC? Personally, I'd most like to see Parcells installed to supervise the entire operation. I suspect we'd all feel better about future prospects if Randy first empowered a proven NFL executive as organizational overseer to set the tone, establish the attitude, formulate the identity and hire the GM and HC.

Were such a personality in place long ago (ever since Ron Wolf was brought in by Policy to help Butch Hubris?), we wouldn't be in the position we're now in nor would we have had to endure the garbage that has instead existed.

How can we trust Randy to make the proper adjustments? How can we be optimistic Pioli, who has never hired an NFL head coach, can manage that assignment? How can we trust yet another under-experienced HC?

Personally, I'd most like to see Parcells installed to supervise the entire operation.

]]> By: terje http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2008/12/30/first-and-10-pioli-and-mckay-seem-to-be-the-options/comment-page-1/#comment-1453 terje Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:48:52 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=982#comment-1453 robiskie is actually a good coach. so i don't expect him to be coming back to the browns in the crennel mark 2 line-up. robiskie is actually a good coach. so i don't expect him to be coming back to the browns in the crennel mark 2 line-up.

]]> By: larry d. http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2008/12/30/first-and-10-pioli-and-mckay-seem-to-be-the-options/comment-page-1/#comment-1451 larry d. Wed, 31 Dec 2008 05:11:26 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=982#comment-1451 And maybe if Chud stays to coach the offense he'll bring Carthon back for the running backs and Robiskie can help the receivers out. And maybe if Chud stays to coach the offense he'll bring Carthon back for the running backs and Robiskie can help the receivers out.

]]> By: Dennis Blue http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2008/12/30/first-and-10-pioli-and-mckay-seem-to-be-the-options/comment-page-1/#comment-1450 Dennis Blue Wed, 31 Dec 2008 05:02:18 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=982#comment-1450 Amazing! Someone, including you, wants to retain Crennel as our defensive coordinator! Just what a new coach needs.......the old head coach still around listening to the crybabies he failed to discipline in the first place. Only in Cleveland! Amazing! Someone, including you, wants to retain Crennel as our defensive coordinator! Just what a new coach needs…….the old head coach still around listening to the crybabies he failed to discipline in the first place. Only in Cleveland!

]]> By: alan t. http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2008/12/30/first-and-10-pioli-and-mckay-seem-to-be-the-options/comment-page-1/#comment-1449 alan t. Wed, 31 Dec 2008 02:45:09 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=982#comment-1449 Yeah, what larry d. said. Probably a moot point, though, sports franchise owners always seem hypnotized by the man's employer's pedigree as opposed to the men themselves. Gilbert hires an inexperienced clown like Ferry, Lerner hires inexperienced clowns like Savage and Crennel. As if getting paychecks signed by quality franchises in San Antonio, Baltimore and New England have anything whatsoever to do with whether or not a guy is qualified to take over the reins elsewhere. Pioli is as good as hired. Hey, I wonder if that's the same Randy Tolen I went to school with. I bet it is. Good guy. But 30 years later, he's still stuck in Lyndhurst. Disappointing. Yeah, what larry d. said. Probably a moot point, though, sports franchise owners always seem hypnotized by the man's employer's pedigree as opposed to the men themselves. Gilbert hires an inexperienced clown like Ferry, Lerner hires inexperienced clowns like Savage and Crennel. As if getting paychecks signed by quality franchises in San Antonio, Baltimore and New England have anything whatsoever to do with whether or not a guy is qualified to take over the reins elsewhere. Pioli is as good as hired.

Hey, I wonder if that's the same Randy Tolen I went to school with. I bet it is. Good guy. But 30 years later, he's still stuck in Lyndhurst. Disappointing.

]]> By: terje http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2008/12/30/first-and-10-pioli-and-mckay-seem-to-be-the-options/comment-page-1/#comment-1445 terje Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:20:07 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=982#comment-1445 i'm just talking shanahan as a coach not as a football overlord like in denver. i'm not sure how many teams will give you total control of the roster after you've just been fired. if there is a team out there willing to do that then more power to them. i'm just talking shanahan as a coach not as a football overlord like in denver. i'm not sure how many teams will give you total control of the roster after you've just been fired. if there is a team out there willing to do that then more power to them.

]]> By: drew http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2008/12/30/first-and-10-pioli-and-mckay-seem-to-be-the-options/comment-page-1/#comment-1444 drew Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:10:44 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=982#comment-1444 Hold on terje, Shanahan is the same guy that wants total control of all football operations, and then takes the whole former Cleveland Browns D-line that the recently "old" regime let go. Thanks....but no thanks. Hold on terje, Shanahan is the same guy that wants total control of all football operations, and then takes the whole former Cleveland Browns D-line that the recently "old" regime let go. Thanks….but no thanks.

]]> By: terje http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2008/12/30/first-and-10-pioli-and-mckay-seem-to-be-the-options/comment-page-1/#comment-1443 terje Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:44:46 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=982#comment-1443 mike shanahan just got the ax. he is a much better option than mangini or an unknown. mike shanahan just got the ax. he is a much better option than mangini or an unknown.

]]> By: terje http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2008/12/30/first-and-10-pioli-and-mckay-seem-to-be-the-options/comment-page-1/#comment-1442 terje Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:53:14 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=982#comment-1442 the last couple letters are so typical of the browns fan who blindly accepts the slop dished out to them year after year. here's my understanding of football....the last four seasons under crennel and savage have sucked. including the 10-6 season when they choked their way out of the playoffs. no one needs to convince me that savage was garbage and he needed to go. but i don't really care what stupid things savage did to make crennel's job harder. savage did not control the bad judgement calls made by romeo, the poor game management, the failure to incorporate cribbs and harrison into the offense and the horrendous end of the year where the players supported their beloved coach so much that they tanked every game. oh, but the assistants weren't his you say? romeo was "head" coach right? he had the power to pull rank over chud and tucker at any time. romeo sucked. possibly the worst coach in browns history. it's on randy lerner to prove to the fans that he truly cares about this team. i will give him the benefit of the doubt but his reputation as an owner is on the line this time. he is willing to spend the bucks but he needs to be more in tune with the structure of the organization. that means, he needs to pay attention at the very least and nip crap like this in the bud before it spirals into the abyss. savage should have been canned after that stupid e-mail. and i'm glad that lerner waited for the end of the season to fire romeo because now we know beyond a doubt that he is a terrible coach. no offensive touchdowns for a third of a season???? the 99 browns didn't even pull that one off. this season goes down as the worst season i have seen since i started watching the team in 1980. bud carson's year at 3-13 had more going for it than this year. 5 and 11 with paul mcdonald gave me more hope. even in 94 when i knew rat modell had something up his sleeve the team was better to watch. and the following year when the team played as the fans ripped apart the stands for souvenirs was more enjoyable. 96-99 were tranquil, pleasant times in comparison. we watched a team completely fall apart this year. from the front office all the way down to the pissboy (name that movie). good riddance romeo and phil. another season like this one and it's time to fold the franchise. the last couple letters are so typical of the browns fan who blindly accepts the slop dished out to them year after year. here's my understanding of football….the last four seasons under crennel and savage have sucked. including the 10-6 season when they choked their way out of the playoffs. no one needs to convince me that savage was garbage and he needed to go. but i don't really care what stupid things savage did to make crennel's job harder. savage did not control the bad judgement calls made by romeo, the poor game management, the failure to incorporate cribbs and harrison into the offense and the horrendous end of the year where the players supported their beloved coach so much that they tanked every game. oh, but the assistants weren't his you say? romeo was "head" coach right? he had the power to pull rank over chud and tucker at any time. romeo sucked. possibly the worst coach in browns history.

it's on randy lerner to prove to the fans that he truly cares about this team. i will give him the benefit of the doubt but his reputation as an owner is on the line this time. he is willing to spend the bucks but he needs to be more in tune with the structure of the organization. that means, he needs to pay attention at the very least and nip crap like this in the bud before it spirals into the abyss. savage should have been canned after that stupid e-mail. and i'm glad that lerner waited for the end of the season to fire romeo because now we know beyond a doubt that he is a terrible coach. no offensive touchdowns for a third of a season???? the 99 browns didn't even pull that one off.

this season goes down as the worst season i have seen since i started watching the team in 1980. bud carson's year at 3-13 had more going for it than this year. 5 and 11 with paul mcdonald gave me more hope. even in 94 when i knew rat modell had something up his sleeve the team was better to watch. and the following year when the team played as the fans ripped apart the stands for souvenirs was more enjoyable. 96-99 were tranquil, pleasant times in comparison.

we watched a team completely fall apart this year. from the front office all the way down to the pissboy (name that movie). good riddance romeo and phil. another season like this one and it's time to fold the franchise.

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