Comments on: Some thoughts on the Browns and some thoughts on my opinions on the Browns http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2008/12/10/some-thoughts-on-the-browns-and-my-opinions-on-the-browns/ Musings on the world of sports Tue, 02 Feb 2010 04:17:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Ed http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2008/12/10/some-thoughts-on-the-browns-and-my-opinions-on-the-browns/comment-page-1/#comment-1298 Ed Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:18:03 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=842#comment-1298 Look at it this way Pat. If people take the time to habitually comment on your stories both positively and negatively, it means they actually go to your stories first and read them. I call that ratings. On a separate note, what is a typewriter? Look at it this way Pat. If people take the time to habitually comment on your stories both positively and negatively, it means they actually go to your stories first and read them. I call that ratings. On a separate note, what is a typewriter?

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As long as the networks keep him off TV as the (attempted) color man for Browns pre-season games, he can do whatever he likes.

]]> By: Salinian http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2008/12/10/some-thoughts-on-the-browns-and-my-opinions-on-the-browns/comment-page-1/#comment-1294 Salinian Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:56:27 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=842#comment-1294 A tremendous piece followed by wonderful feedback. Great stuff. Thanks, everyone. A tremendous piece followed by wonderful feedback. Great stuff. Thanks, everyone.

]]> By: Dave L. http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2008/12/10/some-thoughts-on-the-browns-and-my-opinions-on-the-browns/comment-page-1/#comment-1291 Dave L. Fri, 12 Dec 2008 02:36:52 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=842#comment-1291 Odd. The only person to comport themselves in a professional manner seems to be Romeo. He is and will be the fall guy. Too bad surrounded by strong talent, I think he would be fine. In my feeble opinion, Savage must go. He has been derisive and unprofessional, which you can get away with if you are a huge talent. He is not. The largest administrative ego in this organization is Savage. I find of the people that I supervise the truly talented ones tend to have self depricating humor. They know they are good and don't have to give anyone a laundry list telling others their attributes. Odd. The only person to comport themselves in a professional manner seems to be Romeo. He is and will be the fall guy. Too bad surrounded by strong talent, I think he would be fine.

In my feeble opinion, Savage must go. He has been derisive and unprofessional, which you can get away with if you are a huge talent. He is not.

The largest administrative ego in this organization is Savage. I find of the people that I supervise the truly talented ones tend to have self depricating humor. They know they are good and don't have to give anyone a laundry list telling others their attributes.

]]> By: alan t. http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2008/12/10/some-thoughts-on-the-browns-and-my-opinions-on-the-browns/comment-page-1/#comment-1287 alan t. Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:55:33 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=842#comment-1287 Who cares when Anderson was picked in the draft. It's irrelevant. Mike Phipps was selected in the 1st round as the 3rd pick, Brian Sipe was selected in the 13th round as the 330th pick. Which one was a better pro quarterback? And blaming fans for anything on the field is just plain silly. Unless there are thousands of Northeast Ohio's finest Elton John look-alikes in the stands. http://www.strangesports.com/images/content/105193.jpg http://blog.cleveland.com/browns_impact/2008/08/bottlesmf.jpg Who cares when Anderson was picked in the draft. It's irrelevant. Mike Phipps was selected in the 1st round as the 3rd pick, Brian Sipe was selected in the 13th round as the 330th pick. Which one was a better pro quarterback?

And blaming fans for anything on the field is just plain silly. Unless there are thousands of Northeast Ohio's finest Elton John look-alikes in the stands.

http://www.strangesports.com/images/content/105193.jpg

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]]> By: Steven Fenig http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2008/12/10/some-thoughts-on-the-browns-and-my-opinions-on-the-browns/comment-page-1/#comment-1286 Steven Fenig Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:55:00 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=842#comment-1286 Hey Pat Until recently, I think Savage has gotten a free pass from most members of the media. I looked up his 4 drafts with the Browns and here is what I came up with... Not including this year, in 3 Savage drafts totaling 25 players, an incredible 13 are OUT OF FOOTBALL or on practice squads!!! Of course this year isn't looking much better! Also, next year we have just 4 picks because Savage traded 3 of them away for (are you ready) Travis Daniels (1 defensive play) our supposed "depth" at cb, Paul Hubbard (cut at end of training camp, resigned and spent entire year on practice squad) and Martin Rucker (1 reception). What impact players has he drafted?? Joe Thomas and then what... Remember D'Qwell was the 2nd player taken in Round 2 so he was almost like a #1 pick and we traded up to get him. His best late round picks have been Vickers (6th) Harrison (5th) and McDonald (5th). Hardly players to build a franchise around. By camparison, the Giants 3 running backs alone, Jacobs (4th) Ward (7th) and Bradshaw (7th), are all late round picks. We constantly have to spend money on free agents to fill holes because of failed picks on the DL (Ohinowo, Hoffman, Purcell and Pittman) and the OL (Dunn, Sowells). And I haven't even mentioned Travis Wilson, Leon Williams, Antonio Perkins and Charlie Frye - all taken in the 4th Round or higher. Now we are going to have to do the same thing at OLB, RB and WR. And of course our OL isn't getting any younger and we need more depth at DL....It just goes to show how important drafting is, and the continued bad drafts just kill this organization... Has the talent improved somewhat over the past 4 years? Yes, but not nearly as much as needed. Hey Pat

Until recently, I think Savage has gotten a free pass from most members of the media. I looked up his 4 drafts with the Browns and here is what I came up with…

Not including this year, in 3 Savage drafts totaling 25 players, an incredible 13 are OUT OF FOOTBALL or on practice squads!!! Of course this year isn't looking much better! Also, next year we have just 4 picks because Savage traded 3 of them away for (are you ready) Travis Daniels (1 defensive play) our supposed "depth" at cb, Paul Hubbard (cut at end of training camp, resigned and spent entire year on practice squad) and Martin Rucker (1 reception).

What impact players has he drafted?? Joe Thomas and then what…
Remember D'Qwell was the 2nd player taken in Round 2 so he was almost like a #1 pick and we traded up to get him.

His best late round picks have been Vickers (6th) Harrison (5th) and McDonald (5th). Hardly players to build a franchise around. By camparison, the Giants 3 running backs alone, Jacobs (4th) Ward (7th) and Bradshaw (7th), are all late round picks.

We constantly have to spend money on free agents to fill holes because of failed picks on the DL (Ohinowo, Hoffman, Purcell and Pittman) and the OL (Dunn, Sowells). And I haven't even mentioned Travis Wilson, Leon Williams, Antonio Perkins and Charlie Frye – all taken in the 4th Round or higher.

Now we are going to have to do the same thing at OLB, RB and WR. And of course our OL isn't getting any younger and we need more depth at DL….It just goes to show how important drafting is, and the continued bad drafts just kill this organization…

Has the talent improved somewhat over the past 4 years? Yes, but not nearly as much as needed.

]]> By: Hilel Salomon http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2008/12/10/some-thoughts-on-the-browns-and-my-opinions-on-the-browns/comment-page-1/#comment-1285 Hilel Salomon Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:29:35 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=842#comment-1285 Pat, I have no problem with your writing opinion pieces. Whose opinions should you be delivering if they are not yours? I do have a problem with both Savage and Crennel. Savage has a pretty good eye for talent, but his role in the Winslow fiasco, his acting like a teenager w/criticism, have made me wonder about his overall maturity. Crennel has done little to develop his younger players and is altogether too timid in his decision making. The fans also should shoulder some of the blame. Anderson demonstrated that he is incredibly sensitive, and hearing all those jeers and reading all the comments about Quinn can't have done much for his confidence. I have serious doubts about Quinn's arm and accuracy. No doubt his training and coaching have been excellent, but... can all those teams that passed on him in the draft have been wrong? If there is going to be a house cleaning after the season, I would hope that the first priority would be to get a GM such as Pioli. I certainly wouldn't look forward to Schottenheimer making personnel decisions and would rather get a young energetic coach than an older one. Regards, HB Pat,
I have no problem with your writing opinion pieces. Whose opinions should you be delivering if they are not yours? I do have a problem with both Savage and Crennel. Savage has a pretty good eye for talent, but his role in the Winslow fiasco, his acting like a teenager w/criticism, have made me wonder about his overall maturity. Crennel has done little to develop his younger players and is altogether too timid in his decision making. The fans also should shoulder some of the blame. Anderson demonstrated that he is incredibly sensitive, and hearing all those jeers and reading all the comments about Quinn can't have done much for his confidence. I have serious doubts about Quinn's arm and accuracy. No doubt his training and coaching have been excellent, but… can all those teams that passed on him in the draft have been wrong?
If there is going to be a house cleaning after the season, I would hope that the first priority would be to get a GM such as Pioli. I certainly wouldn't look forward to Schottenheimer making personnel decisions and would rather get a young energetic coach than an older one.
Regards, HB

]]> By: alan t. http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2008/12/10/some-thoughts-on-the-browns-and-my-opinions-on-the-browns/comment-page-1/#comment-1284 alan t. Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:58:13 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=842#comment-1284 Can we read a post that's even more depressing than the Browns? For example, how is that egomaniac Bernie Kosar going to survive now that the Arena Football League is being declared dead? That guy has spent the last 15 years doing nothing but fighting and clawing for a shred of Northeast Ohio attention, and just when he thinks he's finally gotten his shred, he's tossed back out of the building. I'm afraid he'll now jump off of one. Can we read a post that's even more depressing than the Browns? For example, how is that egomaniac Bernie Kosar going to survive now that the Arena Football League is being declared dead? That guy has spent the last 15 years doing nothing but fighting and clawing for a shred of Northeast Ohio attention, and just when he thinks he's finally gotten his shred, he's tossed back out of the building. I'm afraid he'll now jump off of one.

]]> By: alan t. http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2008/12/10/some-thoughts-on-the-browns-and-my-opinions-on-the-browns/comment-page-1/#comment-1283 alan t. Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:56:37 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=842#comment-1283 Pat's lie made me so mad, I couldn't even cut-and-paste the First and Ten correctly. "The carpet guy was working at the house as I wrote this, and he mentioned what a huge Browns fan he is. I asked if he'd fire the coach. You can learn a lot from a talkative carpet guy you know. And he said, "Well they're still playing hard for him and that's half the battle." He then gave a position-by-position rundown on the team and concluded by calling this Browns 10-year venture the "decade of excrement." Carpet guys often have great insights." I have a beef with Pat's inability to write the truth. Specifically, when he wrote that the carpet guy purportedly referred to the Browns' 10-year venture as the "decade of excrement." Everybody knows that the carpet guy was actually referring to Pat's carpet. Pat's lie made me so mad, I couldn't even cut-and-paste the First and Ten correctly.

"The carpet guy was working at the house as I wrote this, and he mentioned what a huge Browns fan he is. I asked if he'd fire the coach. You can learn a lot from a talkative carpet guy you know. And he said, "Well they're still playing hard for him and that's half the battle." He then gave a position-by-position rundown on the team and concluded by calling this Browns 10-year venture the "decade of excrement." Carpet guys often have great insights."

I have a beef with Pat's inability to write the truth. Specifically, when he wrote that the carpet guy purportedly referred to the Browns' 10-year venture as the "decade of excrement." Everybody knows that the carpet guy was actually referring to Pat's carpet.

]]> By: alan t. http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/2008/12/10/some-thoughts-on-the-browns-and-my-opinions-on-the-browns/comment-page-1/#comment-1282 alan t. Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:53:07 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/?p=842#comment-1282 Two points, only one of which has anything remotely to do with the Browns: 1) Look, I know the NBA and every other professional sports league is trying to make a killing by selling those "retro" uniforms, but jeez, shouldn't they at least be a carbon copy of the original? If it's not the same, then it's not "retro," because it never existed in the first place. Those "original" Cavaliers uniforms they're wearing tonight are sort of similar with the jersey, but the shorts aren't even remotely close. I have an old pair of underpants that comes much closer to what they really wore. Maybe they should sell my underpants, because right now they're duping folks. 2) I have to bring to light an egregious falsehood expressed in the First and Ten post from the other day: "The carpet guy was working at the house as I wrote this, and he mentioned what a huge Browns fan he is. I asked if he'd fire the coach. You can learn a lot from a talkative carpet guy you know. And he said, "Well they're still playing hard for him and that's half the battle." He then gave a position-by-position rundown on the team and concluded by calling this Browns 10-year venture the "decade of excrement." Carpet guys often have great insights." I have a beef with Pat's inability to write the truth. Specifically, when he wrote that the carpet guy purportedly referred to the Browns' 10-year venture as the "decade of excrement." Everybody knows that the carpet guy was actually referring to Pat's carpet. Two points, only one of which has anything remotely to do with the Browns:

1) Look, I know the NBA and every other professional sports league is trying to make a killing by selling those "retro" uniforms, but jeez, shouldn't they at least be a carbon copy of the original? If it's not the same, then it's not "retro," because it never existed in the first place. Those "original" Cavaliers uniforms they're wearing tonight are sort of similar with the jersey, but the shorts aren't even remotely close. I have an old pair of underpants that comes much closer to what they really wore. Maybe they should sell my underpants, because right now they're duping folks.

2) I have to bring to light an egregious falsehood expressed in the First and Ten post from the other day:

"The carpet guy was working at the house as I wrote this, and he mentioned what a huge Browns fan he is. I asked if he'd fire the coach. You can learn a lot from a talkative carpet guy you know. And he said, "Well they're still playing hard for him and that's half the battle." He then gave a position-by-position rundown on the team and concluded by calling this Browns 10-year venture the "decade of excrement." Carpet guys often have great insights."

I have a beef with Pat's inability to write the truth. Specifically, when he wrote that the carpet guy purportedly referred to the Browns' 10-year venture as the "decade of excrement." Everybody knows that the carpet guy was actually referring to Pat's carpet.

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