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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 04:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  I just read that Quinn and his agent took it upon themselves to fly to Dr. James Andrews in Alabama without the Browns&#039; knowledge, and he diagnosed an injury in Quinn&#039;s finger that the Browns&#039; team doctor completely missed.  

Seriously, where do the local sports franchises find their doctors?  They seem to universally suck.  Starting with the moron who practiced malpractice on Brad Daugherty&#039;s foot, it hasn&#039;t stopped.  The Browns, the Cavaliers, the Indians.  Did any of these jokers attend medical school in the United States, or what?  It&#039;s beyond ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  I just read that Quinn and his agent took it upon themselves to fly to Dr. James Andrews in Alabama without the Browns&#039; knowledge, and he diagnosed an injury in Quinn&#039;s finger that the Browns&#039; team doctor completely missed.  </p>
<p>Seriously, where do the local sports franchises find their doctors?  They seem to universally suck.  Starting with the moron who practiced malpractice on Brad Daugherty&#039;s foot, it hasn&#039;t stopped.  The Browns, the Cavaliers, the Indians.  Did any of these jokers attend medical school in the United States, or what?  It&#039;s beyond ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me, or does anybody else find it kind of shady that Marla Ridenour seemed to imply that she had an exclusive &quot;rare interview&quot; with Lerner.  It apparently was actually a conference call with NFL sportswriters from all over the country.  Not cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me, or does anybody else find it kind of shady that Marla Ridenour seemed to imply that she had an exclusive &#034;rare interview&#034; with Lerner.  It apparently was actually a conference call with NFL sportswriters from all over the country.  Not cool.</p>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, Terry Grant.  You are gone.  I chuckle at that just like I chuckle at Mayor Frank Jackson&#039;s hairpiece.  Just like everybody else after every sports strike and/or lockout announces they are gone, only to magically reappear at the first post-strike/lockout game and/or are otherwise found eating chips and drinking a beer while watching the game in front of a TV set.   

Do folks really want to know more about Lerner and the inner workings of the Browns and the revenue that drops into the local cash registers?  You&#039;ll never read about any of this in this blog or in any mainstream local newspaper.  You never attack a titan in this town.  Who knows, Lerner could order Lew Merletti to have Pat killed.  Or, at the very least, Pat&#039;s dog.  Or whatever kind of pet Pat has.  A ferret, possibly.  Or possibly one of those box turtles?  

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/5900

Oh, and Adam Gannon, pet peeve here.  It&#039;s a different &quot;organization.&quot;  What does Paul Brown have to do with anything?  It&#039;s like calling the Charlotte Bobcats organization the same organization as the Charlotte Hornets organization.  Or the St. Louis Rams organization the same organization as the St. Louis Cardinals organization.  Or the Seattle Cavaliers organization the same as the Seattle Supersonics organization .... uh, whoops, took a time machine vacation for a moment.  Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, Terry Grant.  You are gone.  I chuckle at that just like I chuckle at Mayor Frank Jackson&#039;s hairpiece.  Just like everybody else after every sports strike and/or lockout announces they are gone, only to magically reappear at the first post-strike/lockout game and/or are otherwise found eating chips and drinking a beer while watching the game in front of a TV set.   </p>
<p>Do folks really want to know more about Lerner and the inner workings of the Browns and the revenue that drops into the local cash registers?  You&#039;ll never read about any of this in this blog or in any mainstream local newspaper.  You never attack a titan in this town.  Who knows, Lerner could order Lew Merletti to have Pat killed.  Or, at the very least, Pat&#039;s dog.  Or whatever kind of pet Pat has.  A ferret, possibly.  Or possibly one of those box turtles?  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/5900" rel="nofollow">http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/5900</a></p>
<p>Oh, and Adam Gannon, pet peeve here.  It&#039;s a different &#034;organization.&#034;  What does Paul Brown have to do with anything?  It&#039;s like calling the Charlotte Bobcats organization the same organization as the Charlotte Hornets organization.  Or the St. Louis Rams organization the same organization as the St. Louis Cardinals organization.  Or the Seattle Cavaliers organization the same as the Seattle Supersonics organization &#8230;. uh, whoops, took a time machine vacation for a moment.  Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: terje</title>
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		<dc:creator>terje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>terry, the chances of recovering from a lifetime of following cleveland browns football are slim to none.  if you manage to beat this self-destructive addiction please report back and tell the rest of us how you did it.  i know that after i saw brian sipe and the kardiac kids that i was destined for a life filled with football misery.  it&#039;s too late for me.  but if you manage to get clean your story could possible help the young kids who are being mislead into this life of shame by their parents or friends.  

i had to move thousands of miles away to attempt to break the cycle in my family.  my wife looks at me with pity as i tune into losing seasons year after year while she has had the satisfaction of seeing her team (the g-d cowboys!  ugh!)  hoist the lombardi trophy in her lifetime.  i hope my daughter never knows my pain.  but i catch her, sneaking peeks as i watch a stream of the game on my laptop.  she&#039;s not even 2 yet but she seems to have a mild interest in the brown and orange.  terry, good luck.  if you are successful you may be able to help my daughter and many other children avoid or beat this terrible addiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>terry, the chances of recovering from a lifetime of following cleveland browns football are slim to none.  if you manage to beat this self-destructive addiction please report back and tell the rest of us how you did it.  i know that after i saw brian sipe and the kardiac kids that i was destined for a life filled with football misery.  it&#039;s too late for me.  but if you manage to get clean your story could possible help the young kids who are being mislead into this life of shame by their parents or friends.  </p>
<p>i had to move thousands of miles away to attempt to break the cycle in my family.  my wife looks at me with pity as i tune into losing seasons year after year while she has had the satisfaction of seeing her team (the g-d cowboys!  ugh!)  hoist the lombardi trophy in her lifetime.  i hope my daughter never knows my pain.  but i catch her, sneaking peeks as i watch a stream of the game on my laptop.  she&#039;s not even 2 yet but she seems to have a mild interest in the brown and orange.  terry, good luck.  if you are successful you may be able to help my daughter and many other children avoid or beat this terrible addiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat:

I am one of those fans who has followed Cleveland teams my entire life.  I don&#039;t normally participate in internet forums, call radio stations or otherwise communicate my feelings.  I just suffer in silence.

That being said I can no longer stay a fan of the Browns.  It is not that they have been unsuccessful since their return in 1999, it is because they do not play with any kind of noticeable passion.  I want my team to play like they care about the outcome of the game.

I believe a team is a direct reflection of their coach.  Romero may be a great guy but he stands on the sidelines without showing any emotion and I have never seen him get angry at the play of the team.  To me that tells players there is little consquence to their actions.

The Houston game was the end for me.  Bad game plan, terrible execution, no passion, lousy coaching - and one lost fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat:</p>
<p>I am one of those fans who has followed Cleveland teams my entire life.  I don&#039;t normally participate in internet forums, call radio stations or otherwise communicate my feelings.  I just suffer in silence.</p>
<p>That being said I can no longer stay a fan of the Browns.  It is not that they have been unsuccessful since their return in 1999, it is because they do not play with any kind of noticeable passion.  I want my team to play like they care about the outcome of the game.</p>
<p>I believe a team is a direct reflection of their coach.  Romero may be a great guy but he stands on the sidelines without showing any emotion and I have never seen him get angry at the play of the team.  To me that tells players there is little consquence to their actions.</p>
<p>The Houston game was the end for me.  Bad game plan, terrible execution, no passion, lousy coaching &#8211; and one lost fan.</p>
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		<title>By: Salinian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Salinian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Pat, for reminding readers that the coaching staff had campaigned for veteran reinforcements at both CB and WR as far back as training camp. Phil ignored them on the latter count and got only Travis Daniels for the former. How much he has played tells you quite a bit about his viability, at least insofar as the staff is concerned. 

Thanks, too, for reminding readers that those two positions have had the club disadvantaged all season long, underscored by the complete inability to sit Braylon because of what alternatives exist behind him. 

Meanwhile, the GM has not drafted at all well but has already spent three of next April&#039;s draft picks on individuals who do not participate, even on a floundering club. 

So, the idea that this coaching staff has not exactly received helpful support from its personnel chief should be amply clear, ironic in that the same GM has the coach speaking in his defense. 

As outrageous as it may seem, it is possible the head coach outlives the GM, with the former justifiably arguing it has been the front office man who has undermined his attempts, failed in his duties and imposed upon him important assistants who don&#039;t necessarily conduct themselves in the best interest of the entire staff, the provided talent or with the appropriate approach/philosophy. 

Alas, it appears all things are status quo until the final five games are played, with wholesale changes to follow. A proven football man overseeing the entire operation, including the GM, is the recommended way to go, with a departure from finesse to physical toughness the prescribed attack. 

As for Savage himself, he&#039;d garner a lot more respect if he showed the courage of his convictions by appearing up-front as a stand-up guy for an organization he supposedly leads, much as Mark Shapiro is always there when Tribe issues arise. (Not an original thought.) His chosen manner speaks volumes about the Browns&#039; desperate need for organizational leadership. Weak, cowardly, timid, reticent---way to set a tone, little man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Pat, for reminding readers that the coaching staff had campaigned for veteran reinforcements at both CB and WR as far back as training camp. Phil ignored them on the latter count and got only Travis Daniels for the former. How much he has played tells you quite a bit about his viability, at least insofar as the staff is concerned. </p>
<p>Thanks, too, for reminding readers that those two positions have had the club disadvantaged all season long, underscored by the complete inability to sit Braylon because of what alternatives exist behind him. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, the GM has not drafted at all well but has already spent three of next April&#039;s draft picks on individuals who do not participate, even on a floundering club. </p>
<p>So, the idea that this coaching staff has not exactly received helpful support from its personnel chief should be amply clear, ironic in that the same GM has the coach speaking in his defense. </p>
<p>As outrageous as it may seem, it is possible the head coach outlives the GM, with the former justifiably arguing it has been the front office man who has undermined his attempts, failed in his duties and imposed upon him important assistants who don&#039;t necessarily conduct themselves in the best interest of the entire staff, the provided talent or with the appropriate approach/philosophy. </p>
<p>Alas, it appears all things are status quo until the final five games are played, with wholesale changes to follow. A proven football man overseeing the entire operation, including the GM, is the recommended way to go, with a departure from finesse to physical toughness the prescribed attack. </p>
<p>As for Savage himself, he&#039;d garner a lot more respect if he showed the courage of his convictions by appearing up-front as a stand-up guy for an organization he supposedly leads, much as Mark Shapiro is always there when Tribe issues arise. (Not an original thought.) His chosen manner speaks volumes about the Browns&#039; desperate need for organizational leadership. Weak, cowardly, timid, reticent&#8212;way to set a tone, little man.</p>
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		<title>By: larry d.</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry d.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why isn&#039;t Cribbs a &#039;polished&#039; enough receiver to get some throws? 

Hopefully with some intense training he will be able to run a slant in 2009, and maybe even a post by 2010. Then in 2011 they can start teaching him to catch the ball and sign him to a long extension.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why isn&#039;t Cribbs a &#039;polished&#039; enough receiver to get some throws? </p>
<p>Hopefully with some intense training he will be able to run a slant in 2009, and maybe even a post by 2010. Then in 2011 they can start teaching him to catch the ball and sign him to a long extension.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Pat

Let&#039;s not forget the defense.  In the offseason, the thinking was, just like
the offense last year, if rebuilding starts at the line, then the whole defense gets better.  But 2 additions do not a defense make...where do we start? one of the smiths gets injured, then ther other smith misses time, then sean jones gets sidelined....a couple of rookie cornerbacks (forgivable if that was
the only thing wrong with the defense)...wimbley not having a good year...Adams? who&#039;s he.  Terry cousin? my cousin plays better then him, even pool was out for a bit.  U get my point.  The puzzle will only be finished with several pieces to add to the defense....along with a better coach.
take care
joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Pat</p>
<p>Let&#039;s not forget the defense.  In the offseason, the thinking was, just like<br />
the offense last year, if rebuilding starts at the line, then the whole defense gets better.  But 2 additions do not a defense make&#8230;where do we start? one of the smiths gets injured, then ther other smith misses time, then sean jones gets sidelined&#8230;.a couple of rookie cornerbacks (forgivable if that was<br />
the only thing wrong with the defense)&#8230;wimbley not having a good year&#8230;Adams? who&#039;s he.  Terry cousin? my cousin plays better then him, even pool was out for a bit.  U get my point.  The puzzle will only be finished with several pieces to add to the defense&#8230;.along with a better coach.<br />
take care<br />
joe</p>
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		<title>By: terje</title>
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		<dc:creator>terje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>terje&#039;s run, run, pass and punt:

1.  i still fail to see what romeo being a good guy has to do with his coaching skills.  we love ya romeo, just not as the head coach of the cleveland browns.

2.  faine was a butch pick.  butch, by the way, looks a lot better in retrospect than the crap phil and romeo have been dishing out for 4 years.

3.  hey adam gannon, mike brown may be a turd of an owner and marvin lewis is the nfl&#039;s colonel clink in charge of the prisoners in stalag ocho cinco but at least they made it to a couple super bowls.  that&#039;s two more than the cleveland browns.

4.  if randy lerner is saying and doing all these things but they are not being made public then he is in essence doing nothing.

as you said pat, &quot;there need to be some changes - and if it&#039;s not in people it should be in approach. In bringing leadership at the top. Real leadership that doesn&#039;t leave the coach to clean up all the messes and does have the man on the top answering questions — and leading.&quot;

if phil savage isn&#039;t going to take responsibility and do the right thing then it is up to the owner to go public and clean his g.m.&#039;s mess.  he has failed to do so and has eroded the trust of the fan base.  jim ingraham&#039;s article couldn&#039;t have been any more right.  randy lerner either needs to address the fans----now-----and even that is too late-----or find someone who cares enough to do what is necessary for the team and the fans in cleveland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>terje&#039;s run, run, pass and punt:</p>
<p>1.  i still fail to see what romeo being a good guy has to do with his coaching skills.  we love ya romeo, just not as the head coach of the cleveland browns.</p>
<p>2.  faine was a butch pick.  butch, by the way, looks a lot better in retrospect than the crap phil and romeo have been dishing out for 4 years.</p>
<p>3.  hey adam gannon, mike brown may be a turd of an owner and marvin lewis is the nfl&#039;s colonel clink in charge of the prisoners in stalag ocho cinco but at least they made it to a couple super bowls.  that&#039;s two more than the cleveland browns.</p>
<p>4.  if randy lerner is saying and doing all these things but they are not being made public then he is in essence doing nothing.</p>
<p>as you said pat, &#034;there need to be some changes &#8211; and if it&#039;s not in people it should be in approach. In bringing leadership at the top. Real leadership that doesn&#039;t leave the coach to clean up all the messes and does have the man on the top answering questions — and leading.&#034;</p>
<p>if phil savage isn&#039;t going to take responsibility and do the right thing then it is up to the owner to go public and clean his g.m.&#039;s mess.  he has failed to do so and has eroded the trust of the fan base.  jim ingraham&#039;s article couldn&#039;t have been any more right.  randy lerner either needs to address the fans&#8212;-now&#8212;&#8211;and even that is too late&#8212;&#8211;or find someone who cares enough to do what is necessary for the team and the fans in cleveland.</p>
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