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	<title>Comments on: First and 10: How much more can the Browns ask of fans?</title>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;True Browns fans hate the Steelers and anything associated with them.&quot;

I disagree.  I&#039;ve been a Browns fan for all 32-years of my life.  My hate and disgust is more centered on that ratbird team.  Do I hate the Squeelers?  Absolutely.  HOWEVER, I would much rather have &quot;The Chin&quot; as the team&#039;s next head coach.  Do you realize why the rivalry was so strong when he was the coach over there?  Because he bled brown and orange and Benedict Modell stabbed him in the back and brought in Billy.  &quot;The Chin&quot; has played for this team and coached for this team.  He UNDERSTANDS CLEVELAND football.  We need a coach and management team that understands there is a difference between CLEVELAND football and what happens in the rest of the league.  Unfortunately, we as Browns fans, have not seen any life of CLEVELAND football in almost 20 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;True Browns fans hate the Steelers and anything associated with them.&#034;</p>
<p>I disagree.  I&#039;ve been a Browns fan for all 32-years of my life.  My hate and disgust is more centered on that ratbird team.  Do I hate the Squeelers?  Absolutely.  HOWEVER, I would much rather have &#034;The Chin&#034; as the team&#039;s next head coach.  Do you realize why the rivalry was so strong when he was the coach over there?  Because he bled brown and orange and Benedict Modell stabbed him in the back and brought in Billy.  &#034;The Chin&#034; has played for this team and coached for this team.  He UNDERSTANDS CLEVELAND football.  We need a coach and management team that understands there is a difference between CLEVELAND football and what happens in the rest of the league.  Unfortunately, we as Browns fans, have not seen any life of CLEVELAND football in almost 20 years.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the cure boys and girls, and i am not kidding about this....FOLD the franchise.  Save yourselves pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the cure boys and girls, and i am not kidding about this&#8230;.FOLD the franchise.  Save yourselves pain.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;True Browns fans hate the Steelers and anything associated with them.&quot;

I assume this doesn&#039;t work the other way around for true Steeler fans?

Because, as we know, before he was associated with the Steelers he was associated with the Browns. I feel the pain of those true Steeler fans feeling every victory was tainted, every playoff appearance was offensive, the Super Bowl win was a giant stain on their history all because a certain head coach was part of Cleveland first. All these true Steeler fans knowing in their heart of hearts that the successes of the past 15 years were all meaningless because a Brown was leading them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;True Browns fans hate the Steelers and anything associated with them.&#034;</p>
<p>I assume this doesn&#039;t work the other way around for true Steeler fans?</p>
<p>Because, as we know, before he was associated with the Steelers he was associated with the Browns. I feel the pain of those true Steeler fans feeling every victory was tainted, every playoff appearance was offensive, the Super Bowl win was a giant stain on their history all because a certain head coach was part of Cleveland first. All these true Steeler fans knowing in their heart of hearts that the successes of the past 15 years were all meaningless because a Brown was leading them.</p>
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		<title>By: terje</title>
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		<dc:creator>terje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i felt the same way as you did until november 6, 1995.  that was the day cold reality smacked me in the face and i found out loyalty in the nfl was a lie.  how could i possibly hate the steelers more than i hate rat modell?  it is not possible.  how could i hate the steelers more than i hate al lerner for conspiring to stab cleveland in the back?  again, not possible.  the only thing i like about the whole situation is football being played again in cleveland.  honestly, i wish they would have started fresh and dumped the name and the colors.  the brown and orange are a sad reminder of betrayal and failure.  the team really died with paul brown.  the team called the browns that we have been watching ever since is something else entirely.  a ghoulish reminder of champions that played before i was even born.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i felt the same way as you did until november 6, 1995.  that was the day cold reality smacked me in the face and i found out loyalty in the nfl was a lie.  how could i possibly hate the steelers more than i hate rat modell?  it is not possible.  how could i hate the steelers more than i hate al lerner for conspiring to stab cleveland in the back?  again, not possible.  the only thing i like about the whole situation is football being played again in cleveland.  honestly, i wish they would have started fresh and dumped the name and the colors.  the brown and orange are a sad reminder of betrayal and failure.  the team really died with paul brown.  the team called the browns that we have been watching ever since is something else entirely.  a ghoulish reminder of champions that played before i was even born.</p>
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		<title>By: sydbar</title>
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		<dc:creator>sydbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said the Browns were well run, and that Pittsburgh was poorly run.  I&#039;m speaking about emotions developed over many years of cheering my team on, and having them get their brains beat in year after year by Pittsburgh.  It&#039;s part of the fun of being a sports fan.  Developing rivalries - admiring yet hating the rival.  It&#039;s not rational but it isn&#039;t required to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said the Browns were well run, and that Pittsburgh was poorly run.  I&#039;m speaking about emotions developed over many years of cheering my team on, and having them get their brains beat in year after year by Pittsburgh.  It&#039;s part of the fun of being a sports fan.  Developing rivalries &#8211; admiring yet hating the rival.  It&#039;s not rational but it isn&#039;t required to be.</p>
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		<title>By: terje</title>
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		<dc:creator>terje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pffffff

apparently a &quot;true browns fan&quot; must be a braindead robot.  i could care less if cowher coached pittsburgh.  art modell----the TRUE enemy of browns fans----refused to hire cowher because he was too young for the job.  art modell single handedly killed the cleveland browns and his co-conspirator al lerner took over the expansion team.  now we see the joke continue with randy lerner raking in cash from &quot;true browns fans&quot; but caring very little for the perpetual mess the organization has been since 1999.

cowher is an enemy because art modell wouldn&#039;t hire him and he went to pittsburgh?  what a joke.  the real enemy wears brown and orange and his name is randy lerner.  and his enemy father and enemy art modell will meet each other in hell.  al lerner is not a savior of browns football.  he just took over the cash cow supplied by loyal moron fans once modell got a better deal in baltimore.

i know, the rooney family is soooooo horrible with their dedication to winning, 5 lombardi trophies and a consistent, tough approach to football.  a true browns fan apparently despises excellence.  i am no steelers fan.  i just know the organization that sydbar loves so much has been screwing their fans over since rat modell fired paul brown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pffffff</p>
<p>apparently a &#034;true browns fan&#034; must be a braindead robot.  i could care less if cowher coached pittsburgh.  art modell&#8212;-the TRUE enemy of browns fans&#8212;-refused to hire cowher because he was too young for the job.  art modell single handedly killed the cleveland browns and his co-conspirator al lerner took over the expansion team.  now we see the joke continue with randy lerner raking in cash from &#034;true browns fans&#034; but caring very little for the perpetual mess the organization has been since 1999.</p>
<p>cowher is an enemy because art modell wouldn&#039;t hire him and he went to pittsburgh?  what a joke.  the real enemy wears brown and orange and his name is randy lerner.  and his enemy father and enemy art modell will meet each other in hell.  al lerner is not a savior of browns football.  he just took over the cash cow supplied by loyal moron fans once modell got a better deal in baltimore.</p>
<p>i know, the rooney family is soooooo horrible with their dedication to winning, 5 lombardi trophies and a consistent, tough approach to football.  a true browns fan apparently despises excellence.  i am no steelers fan.  i just know the organization that sydbar loves so much has been screwing their fans over since rat modell fired paul brown.</p>
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		<title>By: sydbar</title>
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		<dc:creator>sydbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know the history, I&#039;ve been a Browns fan for 35 years.  I liked Cowher when he was on Schottenheimer&#039;s staff.  And I&#039;m not faulting him for taking the Pittsburgh job.  I further acknowledge that he is a fine coach.  But he is a Pittsburgh Steeler through and through, and consequently a member of the enemy team.  He is not the only good coach available, so we don&#039;t need him.  We need Savage or whomever makes the decision on the next Browns coach, to find the right guy not named Cowher.  True Browns fans hate the Steelers and anything associated with them.  It made me puke to hear Browns fans say they would root for Pittsburgh in the &#039;05 Superbowl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know the history, I&#039;ve been a Browns fan for 35 years.  I liked Cowher when he was on Schottenheimer&#039;s staff.  And I&#039;m not faulting him for taking the Pittsburgh job.  I further acknowledge that he is a fine coach.  But he is a Pittsburgh Steeler through and through, and consequently a member of the enemy team.  He is not the only good coach available, so we don&#039;t need him.  We need Savage or whomever makes the decision on the next Browns coach, to find the right guy not named Cowher.  True Browns fans hate the Steelers and anything associated with them.  It made me puke to hear Browns fans say they would root for Pittsburgh in the &#039;05 Superbowl.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cowher is not the enemy. Back in the early 90&#039;s, when the Browns were looking for a head coach, it was between Cowher and Belichick. We know how that turned out - we got the guy who was learning on the job, had no concept of personal relations and who I think was the one factor (outside of Modell&#039;s financial issues) mostly responisble for why the Browns left town. Pittsburgh got the guy who was ready and hungry. I&#039;m pretty sure if Cowher had his choice of jobs back then, he&#039;d have picked Cleveland. That doesn&#039;t make him the enemy.

Anyhow, got off-track, but just trying to say he is not the enemy. Over the last 15 years, he&#039;s the only thing I liked about Pittsburgh and those years after the Browns left, I rooted for them solely because of him and thoughts of what could have been in Cleveland.

That being said, I don&#039;t think he&#039;s the right coach now. He doesn&#039;t have the same hunger. He&#039;d be doing it more for the money. If our GM stays, and even if he hires Cowher, don&#039;t know how long the 2 could co-exist. Cowher would be an improvement over any one we&#039;ve had since Marty but right now, we need a good young coach. The Redskins, Falcons, Ravens all have first-year coaches who are doing much better than expected. Why can&#039;t we for once finally hit the gold mine with a new head coach!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cowher is not the enemy. Back in the early 90&#039;s, when the Browns were looking for a head coach, it was between Cowher and Belichick. We know how that turned out &#8211; we got the guy who was learning on the job, had no concept of personal relations and who I think was the one factor (outside of Modell&#039;s financial issues) mostly responisble for why the Browns left town. Pittsburgh got the guy who was ready and hungry. I&#039;m pretty sure if Cowher had his choice of jobs back then, he&#039;d have picked Cleveland. That doesn&#039;t make him the enemy.</p>
<p>Anyhow, got off-track, but just trying to say he is not the enemy. Over the last 15 years, he&#039;s the only thing I liked about Pittsburgh and those years after the Browns left, I rooted for them solely because of him and thoughts of what could have been in Cleveland.</p>
<p>That being said, I don&#039;t think he&#039;s the right coach now. He doesn&#039;t have the same hunger. He&#039;d be doing it more for the money. If our GM stays, and even if he hires Cowher, don&#039;t know how long the 2 could co-exist. Cowher would be an improvement over any one we&#039;ve had since Marty but right now, we need a good young coach. The Redskins, Falcons, Ravens all have first-year coaches who are doing much better than expected. Why can&#039;t we for once finally hit the gold mine with a new head coach!</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Haas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Haas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The entire organization needs to be gutted. The Browns have long suffered from inadequete coaching and GM&#039;s. These guys bring in talented players who don&#039;t have the mental make up needed to succeed at the next level. I&#039;d rather have a team full of 7th round draft picks who play their hearts out than have this current crop of supposed &#039;playoff contending&#039; Browns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire organization needs to be gutted. The Browns have long suffered from inadequete coaching and GM&#039;s. These guys bring in talented players who don&#039;t have the mental make up needed to succeed at the next level. I&#039;d rather have a team full of 7th round draft picks who play their hearts out than have this current crop of supposed &#039;playoff contending&#039; Browns.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey sydbar.... I DO!

Grand Rapids MI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey sydbar&#8230;. I DO!</p>
<p>Grand Rapids MI.</p>
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