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		<title>By: Kojo%9Kunkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kojo%9Kunkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 23:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my God, i thought you were going to chip in with some decisive insght at the end there, not leave it with ‘we leave it to you to decide’.</p>
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		<title>By: Radley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, is there a section just for latest news</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, is there a section just for latest news</p>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle, those weren&#039;t rumors.  The sole reason Pat is still employed is because the Beacon Journal offered voluntary buyouts, two weeks of pay for every year of service, with no health benefits.  Otherwise, if they didn&#039;t get folks to accept the voluntary buyout, then Pat would be pounding the pavement involuntarily.  So thank God for loyal Beacon Journal servants like Brian Windhorst, proud enough to take their offer, cash in the severance package, and immediately weasel his way to the neighboring competiton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle, those weren&#039;t rumors.  The sole reason Pat is still employed is because the Beacon Journal offered voluntary buyouts, two weeks of pay for every year of service, with no health benefits.  Otherwise, if they didn&#039;t get folks to accept the voluntary buyout, then Pat would be pounding the pavement involuntarily.  So thank God for loyal Beacon Journal servants like Brian Windhorst, proud enough to take their offer, cash in the severance package, and immediately weasel his way to the neighboring competiton.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle St. Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle St. Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 05:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat,

Just wanted to say hello here. I haven&#039;t been reading First and Ten since they stopped e-mailing it. I did see a couple references to you still having your job so there must have been some lay-off rumors. I always enjoy your writing. I know you have heard this before but I was so into the Browns when they came back in 1999 it was almost all I could think about. Now I root for them to lose so they will make the changes neccessary to give hope again. I have no interest in any of these players, if you asked my to buy a jersey I don&#039;t know who I would select. The fact there are more Quinn jerseys in the stands than anyone else probably speaks volumes to the current state of affairs. Anyway, I hope it comes back some day, I miss the excitement of being a true Browns fan.

Take care,

Kyle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat,</p>
<p>Just wanted to say hello here. I haven&#039;t been reading First and Ten since they stopped e-mailing it. I did see a couple references to you still having your job so there must have been some lay-off rumors. I always enjoy your writing. I know you have heard this before but I was so into the Browns when they came back in 1999 it was almost all I could think about. Now I root for them to lose so they will make the changes neccessary to give hope again. I have no interest in any of these players, if you asked my to buy a jersey I don&#039;t know who I would select. The fact there are more Quinn jerseys in the stands than anyone else probably speaks volumes to the current state of affairs. Anyway, I hope it comes back some day, I miss the excitement of being a true Browns fan.</p>
<p>Take care,</p>
<p>Kyle</p>
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		<title>By: Gregg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek Anderson is not the future of this organization. Period. There are still a lot of questions about Quinn, and they are questions that we need to start answering. If it turns out that Quinn is not a godsend, then we need to (gulp) prepare and draft yet another quarterback.

As unlikely as this seems, it still is a major possibility. Keeping Anderson around is just avoiding the inevitable. The bottom line is we are wasting time with a quarterback who is not, and will never be, a leader who can win this team a championship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek Anderson is not the future of this organization. Period. There are still a lot of questions about Quinn, and they are questions that we need to start answering. If it turns out that Quinn is not a godsend, then we need to (gulp) prepare and draft yet another quarterback.</p>
<p>As unlikely as this seems, it still is a major possibility. Keeping Anderson around is just avoiding the inevitable. The bottom line is we are wasting time with a quarterback who is not, and will never be, a leader who can win this team a championship.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Axton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Axton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  DA is scared, of a lot of things..... losing his job, losing a game, being a loser.
2.  K2 is over the top, too much ink on his body, no mental capacity.  Should be in Philly next year.
3.  Brady Quinn is ready for a shot at playing quarterback.  Isn&#039;t that why we got him.
4.  The defence is the best it&#039;s been in years.
5.  Big Baby is not a baby.
6.  Lewis is a 3rd down back not a 1st and 2nd down guy.
7.  Recievers are paid to catch the ball, but the ball must be in the area.
8.  Replacement cornerbacks still need replacement.
9.  Josh Cribbs should stay off tv, and pay a little more attention to not getting hit.
10.  Browns fans are still better off than bengal fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  DA is scared, of a lot of things&#8230;.. losing his job, losing a game, being a loser.<br />
2.  K2 is over the top, too much ink on his body, no mental capacity.  Should be in Philly next year.<br />
3.  Brady Quinn is ready for a shot at playing quarterback.  Isn&#039;t that why we got him.<br />
4.  The defence is the best it&#039;s been in years.<br />
5.  Big Baby is not a baby.<br />
6.  Lewis is a 3rd down back not a 1st and 2nd down guy.<br />
7.  Recievers are paid to catch the ball, but the ball must be in the area.<br />
8.  Replacement cornerbacks still need replacement.<br />
9.  Josh Cribbs should stay off tv, and pay a little more attention to not getting hit.<br />
10.  Browns fans are still better off than bengal fans.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Average</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Average</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat,

A couple of things:

1.  It&#039;s not the crime, it&#039;s the cover up.  I mean, are Richard Nixon and his plumbers running our team?  Not only did they try and hide the staph infection, but they believed they actually could hide the staph infection.  I&#039;m not certain which of these is dumber.  It can be tough to evaluate coaches and GMs in football, but decisions such as these are pretty black and white.  They tell me that the people running the Browns have their heads in entirely the wrong place.  No wonder the team has such lousy focus.  When the coaches and GM focus their attention on a Mickey Mouse cover up such as this, what kind of message does that send to the team? 

This all has me wondering if John Collins was right about Phil.  He may know talent, but he sure doesn&#039;t seem to have the proper mentality to run an entire organization.  All that effort into covering up something stupid, yet he can&#039;t find the time to pick up the phone and call a player in the hospital?

2.  I can&#039;t defend Derek Anderson any longer, but I also can&#039;t make a serious evaluation of a guy when his receivers hang him out to dry on ten plays a game.  Between drops and missed routes, that&#039;s ten completions that Derek could have had and did not.  That&#039;s the difference between winning and losing that game right there.  So, yeah, DA made some really bad throws, but how can we really evaluate that without factoring in everything else?  I don&#039;t think we can.  Hell, just an extra three or four completions a game is the difference between completing 50% and 60% of your passes.  So what does ten screwed up plays do to a QB&#039;s rating, not to mention his psyche?

Hopefully the new coach will make the final call on this next season.

3.  Ok, one bonus tidbit.  I was happy the defense only surrendered 14 points, but I also have to point out that if we had got some real run defense (say holding a team to 100 yards rather than 200), then we probably win that game.  Hard to bash a defense when it only surrenders 14 points, but I cannot help but believe that if we had held the Skins to 60-80 fewer rushing yards, we likely win.  And while they may have only given up 14 points on Sunday, if they keep giving up 150-180 yards rushing a game, then we won&#039;t hold many more teams under 20 points.  Or 30, for that matter.

There is a reason the NFL ranks units based on yards and not points.  Points tell you what happened in the past, but yards allowed give you a better indicator of what will happen in the future.  And based on all the yards we keep allowing, no one will be praising this defense come the end of the season.

Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat,</p>
<p>A couple of things:</p>
<p>1.  It&#039;s not the crime, it&#039;s the cover up.  I mean, are Richard Nixon and his plumbers running our team?  Not only did they try and hide the staph infection, but they believed they actually could hide the staph infection.  I&#039;m not certain which of these is dumber.  It can be tough to evaluate coaches and GMs in football, but decisions such as these are pretty black and white.  They tell me that the people running the Browns have their heads in entirely the wrong place.  No wonder the team has such lousy focus.  When the coaches and GM focus their attention on a Mickey Mouse cover up such as this, what kind of message does that send to the team? </p>
<p>This all has me wondering if John Collins was right about Phil.  He may know talent, but he sure doesn&#039;t seem to have the proper mentality to run an entire organization.  All that effort into covering up something stupid, yet he can&#039;t find the time to pick up the phone and call a player in the hospital?</p>
<p>2.  I can&#039;t defend Derek Anderson any longer, but I also can&#039;t make a serious evaluation of a guy when his receivers hang him out to dry on ten plays a game.  Between drops and missed routes, that&#039;s ten completions that Derek could have had and did not.  That&#039;s the difference between winning and losing that game right there.  So, yeah, DA made some really bad throws, but how can we really evaluate that without factoring in everything else?  I don&#039;t think we can.  Hell, just an extra three or four completions a game is the difference between completing 50% and 60% of your passes.  So what does ten screwed up plays do to a QB&#039;s rating, not to mention his psyche?</p>
<p>Hopefully the new coach will make the final call on this next season.</p>
<p>3.  Ok, one bonus tidbit.  I was happy the defense only surrendered 14 points, but I also have to point out that if we had got some real run defense (say holding a team to 100 yards rather than 200), then we probably win that game.  Hard to bash a defense when it only surrenders 14 points, but I cannot help but believe that if we had held the Skins to 60-80 fewer rushing yards, we likely win.  And while they may have only given up 14 points on Sunday, if they keep giving up 150-180 yards rushing a game, then we won&#039;t hold many more teams under 20 points.  Or 30, for that matter.</p>
<p>There is a reason the NFL ranks units based on yards and not points.  Points tell you what happened in the past, but yards allowed give you a better indicator of what will happen in the future.  And based on all the yards we keep allowing, no one will be praising this defense come the end of the season.</p>
<p>Joe</p>
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		<title>By: terje</title>
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		<dc:creator>terje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>terje&#039;s first and ten:

1.  fire romeo now!

2.  randy lerner can go with him

3.  phil savage can take a permanent vacation as well

4.  leave derek anderson in berea on game day

5.  give braylon edwards a taser shock for every ball he drops

6.  poor jamal lewis.  playing hard for this pathetic organization must be soul draining.

7.  brady quinn should sue for discrimination.

8.  since when does a &quot;soulja&quot; need a sympathy card and a box of chocolates to go along with all the money he made after his motorcycle accident?

9.  if the team is below .500, players who celebrate excessively (like eric wright&#039;s deion sander&#039;s impression) should be shot on sight.

10.  &quot;watching this team is like getting a stick in your eye&quot;--tony grossi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>terje&#039;s first and ten:</p>
<p>1.  fire romeo now!</p>
<p>2.  randy lerner can go with him</p>
<p>3.  phil savage can take a permanent vacation as well</p>
<p>4.  leave derek anderson in berea on game day</p>
<p>5.  give braylon edwards a taser shock for every ball he drops</p>
<p>6.  poor jamal lewis.  playing hard for this pathetic organization must be soul draining.</p>
<p>7.  brady quinn should sue for discrimination.</p>
<p>8.  since when does a &#034;soulja&#034; need a sympathy card and a box of chocolates to go along with all the money he made after his motorcycle accident?</p>
<p>9.  if the team is below .500, players who celebrate excessively (like eric wright&#039;s deion sander&#039;s impression) should be shot on sight.</p>
<p>10.  &#034;watching this team is like getting a stick in your eye&#034;&#8211;tony grossi</p>
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