Comments on: Indians OK http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/ledger/2007/07/19/indians-ok/ RON LEDGARD, the Beacon Journal deputy sports editor, ON SPORTS ... AND OTHER STUFF Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:37:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: alan t. http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/ledger/2007/07/19/indians-ok/#comment-319 alan t. Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:08:48 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/ledger/2007/07/19/indians-ok/#comment-319 Seriously, what's the difference if it's Ira Newble or it's Mike Sanders at small forward? A guy like Matt Miller would really make a difference? Getting excited about a 35-year-old guy's temporary minor league "stellar numbers" is like getting excited about a guy's temporary "stellar numbers" in the NBA's D-League. It doesn't translate to much of anything. It's just silly to go nuts about Shapiro, he's juggling average White Castle hamburgers. Seriously, what's the difference if it's Ira Newble or it's Mike Sanders at small forward? A guy like Matt Miller would really make a difference? Getting excited about a 35-year-old guy's temporary minor league "stellar numbers" is like getting excited about a guy's temporary "stellar numbers" in the NBA's D-League. It doesn't translate to much of anything. It's just silly to go nuts about Shapiro, he's juggling average White Castle hamburgers.

]]> By: Tim Kolb http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/ledger/2007/07/19/indians-ok/#comment-316 Tim Kolb Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:46:10 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/ledger/2007/07/19/indians-ok/#comment-316 alan t., do you just say ridiculous things to get a rise out of people? You make absolutely no sense, so I hope you're entertaining yourself. If you can't see that the Indians have at least two relievers at Buffalo with major-league experience and stellar numbers who could contribute more than Mastny, Cabrera and probably Lewis and Stanford at this point, then I truly feel sorry for you. Wouldn't it make more sense to give our internal players a chance, before we trade for some other team's "vagabonds," as you put it? Sadly, it seems Shapiro and Wedge are just locked in on the mediocre staff they have, and it will kill their playoff hopes. That, and an offense that struggles to muster 7 hits most nights. It's all been smoke and mirrors, folks. A .500 team since June 1, and they'd be nowhere without a career year from C.C. and a totally unexpected year from Carmona. alan t., do you just say ridiculous things to get a rise out of people? You make absolutely no sense, so I hope you're entertaining yourself. If you can't see that the Indians have at least two relievers at Buffalo with major-league experience and stellar numbers who could contribute more than Mastny, Cabrera and probably Lewis and Stanford at this point, then I truly feel sorry for you. Wouldn't it make more sense to give our internal players a chance, before we trade for some other team's "vagabonds," as you put it? Sadly, it seems Shapiro and Wedge are just locked in on the mediocre staff they have, and it will kill their playoff hopes. That, and an offense that struggles to muster 7 hits most nights. It's all been smoke and mirrors, folks. A .500 team since June 1, and they'd be nowhere without a career year from C.C. and a totally unexpected year from Carmona.

]]> By: alan t. http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/ledger/2007/07/19/indians-ok/#comment-310 alan t. Fri, 27 Jul 2007 04:19:06 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/ledger/2007/07/19/indians-ok/#comment-310 Matt Miller? Why do the Indians need him? If the Indians struggle because they're missing a vagabond run-of-the-mill setup guy, then the pitching is in worse shape than I thought. Matt Miller? Why do the Indians need him? If the Indians struggle because they're missing a vagabond run-of-the-mill setup guy, then the pitching is in worse shape than I thought.

]]> By: Turks2 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/ledger/2007/07/19/indians-ok/#comment-308 Turks2 Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:49:37 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/ledger/2007/07/19/indians-ok/#comment-308 Cliff Lee is killing this team. Eric Wedge is aiding in the killing. We are fighting for a pennant, and we keep sending this perpetual loser to the hill? I'd wager Stanford, Laffey, Lofgren, Santos, or even R. Perez (too valuable in the pen) could do a more-effective job than Lee. Look back over his last 1-1/2 years. HORRIBLE. End this now, please. The Tribe has more problems than just pitching. Like their non-existent offense. Look back over the last month (and season). This team cannot score. The lineup is filled with inconsistent, non-threatening pansies. No wonder fans aren't turning out. We can see the poor excuse for a team better than the friggin front office. Cliff Lee is killing this team. Eric Wedge is aiding in the killing. We are fighting for a pennant, and we keep sending this perpetual loser to the hill? I'd wager Stanford, Laffey, Lofgren, Santos, or even R. Perez (too valuable in the pen) could do a more-effective job than Lee. Look back over his last 1-1/2 years. HORRIBLE. End this now, please.

The Tribe has more problems than just pitching. Like their non-existent offense. Look back over the last month (and season). This team cannot score. The lineup is filled with inconsistent, non-threatening pansies. No wonder fans aren't turning out. We can see the poor excuse for a team better than the friggin front office.

]]> By: Geena http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/ledger/2007/07/19/indians-ok/#comment-307 Geena Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:56:42 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/ledger/2007/07/19/indians-ok/#comment-307 POINT #1: Travis Hafner had a horrendous spring (hit one homer, if any). POINT #2: His slump has now lasted Feb., March, April, May, June and July. POINT #3: Cleveland just "rewarded" Travis with a $54-million contract. QUESTION: What if last year was the abberation, and his current lack of production is what we will get from now on? Would you still have given him the contract extension? OBSERVATION: I never thought Hafner would amount to anything, and was amazed when he put up some good numbers in past years. What if that was it? The peak is gone? What we see is what we get? Don't mock this point...it could well be true. You have no way of knowing it isn't over. POINT #1: Travis Hafner had a horrendous spring (hit one homer, if any).

POINT #2: His slump has now lasted Feb., March, April, May, June and July.

POINT #3: Cleveland just "rewarded" Travis with a $54-million contract.

QUESTION: What if last year was the abberation, and his current lack of production is what we will get from now on? Would you still have given him the contract extension?

OBSERVATION: I never thought Hafner would amount to anything, and was amazed when he put up some good numbers in past years. What if that was it? The peak is gone? What we see is what we get? Don't mock this point…it could well be true. You have no way of knowing it isn't over.

]]> By: Tim Kolb http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/ledger/2007/07/19/indians-ok/#comment-303 Tim Kolb Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:47:13 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/ledger/2007/07/19/indians-ok/#comment-303 Dear Cleveland fans, Those of you who get on radio shows and make up dozens of flimsy excuses for not going to Tribe games, and yet expect the owners to break the bank to sign players, please take note of C.C. Sabathia's remarks today. THREE TIMES, he used the word "embarrassing," in reference to Red Sox fans outnumbering Cleveland fans this weekend. Also called it "disappointing." This is the guy you all are foaming-at-the-mouth to re-sign here, but get a clue: He believes you are an embarrassment. And he's right. Cleveland fans did not show up in the contending year of 2005, last year, nor this year. All money being nearly equal, if I were C.C., I'd take the first flight out to a West Coast city that supports its contending team. That is not here, and he knows it. Stop pretending that you're sending some "message" with your lack of attendance. The only message the players are receiving from YOU are that you won't support them, even against a top draw like Boston. You ARE an embarrassment, so live with the consequences. Dear Cleveland fans,

Those of you who get on radio shows and make up dozens of flimsy excuses for not going to Tribe games, and yet expect the owners to break the bank to sign players, please take note of C.C. Sabathia's remarks today.

THREE TIMES, he used the word "embarrassing," in reference to Red Sox fans outnumbering Cleveland fans this weekend. Also called it "disappointing." This is the guy you all are foaming-at-the-mouth to re-sign here, but get a clue: He believes you are an embarrassment. And he's right. Cleveland fans did not show up in the contending year of 2005, last year, nor this year. All money being nearly equal, if I were C.C., I'd take the first flight out to a West Coast city that supports its contending team. That is not here, and he knows it. Stop pretending that you're sending some "message" with your lack of attendance. The only message the players are receiving from YOU are that you won't support them, even against a top draw like Boston. You ARE an embarrassment, so live with the consequences.

]]> By: Chris http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/ledger/2007/07/19/indians-ok/#comment-302 Chris Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:41:18 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/ledger/2007/07/19/indians-ok/#comment-302 If you had any brain at all, Alan, you'd realize the rest of us were talking about Matt Miller, the reliever, not Adam Miller, the starter, who we ALL know has been injured and ineffective recently and is now in Cleveland for testing. It is funny, in a sad way, to watch someone like you implode when they think they know everything about everything. Believe it or not, man, there are others of us out here who follow the sport just as closely, and are, in all likelihood, far more knowledgeable than you. If you had any brain at all, Alan, you'd realize the rest of us were talking about Matt Miller, the reliever, not Adam Miller, the starter, who we ALL know has been injured and ineffective recently and is now in Cleveland for testing. It is funny, in a sad way, to watch someone like you implode when they think they know everything about everything. Believe it or not, man, there are others of us out here who follow the sport just as closely, and are, in all likelihood, far more knowledgeable than you.

]]> By: alan t. http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/ledger/2007/07/19/indians-ok/#comment-300 alan t. Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:56:02 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/ledger/2007/07/19/indians-ok/#comment-300 Seriously, Chris, why are you making stuff up? At least the Beacon Journal's sportswriters genuinely believe their own printed baloney. I mean, that's part of the fun and the charm of reading Terry Pluto's columns. On the other hand, I can't fathom that you actually believe your own words. In his last six appearances, his ERA is a atrocious 13.50!!!!!!!!! Lefties are hitting .154 against him, righties are hitting .208???????? In what roofie-induced universe???!!! Unless you've mistakenly jotted down numbers from a college library's Dewey Decimal System, what in the hell are you talking about???!!! I find it hilarious, in a non-hilarious kind of way, that he's been shut down yet again!!! Miller is starting to make Larry Hughes look like Cal Ripken. Hurt in '06. Check. Hurt in May '07. Check. Hurt in June '07. Check. Hurt in July '07. Check. If Miller's parents have a sense of humor, they'll legally change Adam's middle name to "MRI." Seriously, Chris, why are you making stuff up? At least the Beacon Journal's sportswriters genuinely believe their own printed baloney. I mean, that's part of the fun and the charm of reading Terry Pluto's columns. On the other hand, I can't fathom that you actually believe your own words. In his last six appearances, his ERA is a atrocious 13.50!!!!!!!!! Lefties are hitting .154 against him, righties are hitting .208???????? In what roofie-induced universe???!!! Unless you've mistakenly jotted down numbers from a college library's Dewey Decimal System, what in the hell are you talking about???!!!

I find it hilarious, in a non-hilarious kind of way, that he's been shut down yet again!!! Miller is starting to make Larry Hughes look like Cal Ripken. Hurt in '06. Check. Hurt in May '07. Check. Hurt in June '07. Check. Hurt in July '07. Check. If Miller's parents have a sense of humor, they'll legally change Adam's middle name to "MRI."

]]> By: alan t. http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/ledger/2007/07/19/indians-ok/#comment-298 alan t. Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:43:21 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/ledger/2007/07/19/indians-ok/#comment-298 Unscored upon???????????? Read the post above. Not even remotely close. Who's the "idiot" here??? Unscored upon???????????? Read the post above. Not even remotely close. Who's the "idiot" here???

]]> By: Chris http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/ledger/2007/07/19/indians-ok/#comment-296 Chris Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:28:29 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/ledger/2007/07/19/indians-ok/#comment-296 Miller stinking up the minors, huh? Is that what you call a 2.01 ERA in 23 games, unscored upon at least since June 8, lefties hitting only .154 against him, and righties only .208? Huh, idiot? Are THOSE the stinkin' stats that the Cleveland Indians---widely in search of late-inning bullpen help---just cannot use?? Go ahead, Shapiro, trade away another promising youngster for some washed-up crap like Mota or Hernandez, and watch the guy you're paying to excel in Buffalo continue to mow down hitters. Yeah, you ARE a moron. Miller stinking up the minors, huh? Is that what you call a 2.01 ERA in 23 games, unscored upon at least since June 8, lefties hitting only .154 against him, and righties only .208? Huh, idiot? Are THOSE the stinkin' stats that the Cleveland Indians—widely in search of late-inning bullpen help—just cannot use?? Go ahead, Shapiro, trade away another promising youngster for some washed-up crap like Mota or Hernandez, and watch the guy you're paying to excel in Buffalo continue to mow down hitters. Yeah, you ARE a moron.

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