Ron Paul And Gays At C-PAC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BWEBXKOkaI

I would HOPE that the reason why Paul won the straw poll was NOT because that libertarians voted for him but rather the realization that never ending war and interventionist foriegn policy driving the need for a huge military was going to be our downfall

King…howcum you didn't also feature the video where Alexander McCobin was booed for welcoming GOProud as c0-sponser of CPAC?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVBQOoXXYLw&feature=player_embedded

I have my opinions on certain gay freedoms, however does the person booing in Walters video and the jackass in Kings video yelling "bring it on" realize how stupid they look and sound and what a huge turn off they are to anyone that would consider joining their party. A-f'ing-mazing.

Ryan Sorba said in a later interview that those that were booing him were Paulites which he described as liberals….

interesting

Joe Sorba heads a group called Young American for Freedom – now isn't that a hypocrisy

woops his name is Ryan -

King sez…."For the first time, a group of gay Republicans called GOProud attended the conference."

attended? They were co-sponsors of the event.

this from FactlarryD.com….Liberty University Law School has withdrawn as a co-sponsor of next month's Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in Washington because a Republican homosexual activist group is being allowed to co-sponsor the event.

this from FactlarryD.com…..

"Sorba said the negative reaction he got from some in the CPAC audience came from those in libertarian and pro-Ron Paul groups whose purpose is "to infiltrate the conservative movement and take it over from within." He said that he received strong support after the event from traditional conservatives."

"The media gave these clowns a lot of favorable coverage," noted one traditional conservative activist who was upset by the drift of CPAC this year. "We have our work cut out for us, between the media and the libertarian student movement that supports sodomy. We are going to organize a huge turnout of socially conservative youth next year, to offset the libertarian slide that CPAC has taken."

King sez…." It's the younger conservatives who I feel are more Libertarian-leaning, which is borne out by the second incident I'm mentioning." According to the traditional conservative activist they voted for Paul because they are into sodomy.

I find this interesting… I don't understand trying to say gay people don't belong in a particular political party. While, personally, I object to homosexuality because of my religious beliefs, I am not about to tell anyone else how they should live their life. I do think it's a sin, but I will not tell someone else that they can't do something because of that when they're harming no one but themselves. (Imagine the chaos if adulterers were told they're not welcome in a particular political party– you'd lose half your members!) That's like telling someone that, because they choose to eat broccoli, they can't join a political party. Makes no sense.

The libs are having a field day with this one. Not making any sense, but I hope they're having fun.

I think he may have some denial issues or is a plant for the libs. His words and actions are not normal. They need to investigate this guy.

If democracy is inherently unstable, Libertarianity is even more so. It's like one of those esoteric elements produced in a lab which has a half life of about two seconds. It degrades to anarchy which in turn leads to feudalism which will spawn dukes, kings, great kings etc.

Frye,
I think it's actually liberalism that has degraded this country. We've been under it's undue influence for about 4 1/2 decades now, and the country is on a direct path to bankruptcy. Some Libertarianism is the solution, and thinking Libertarianism will lead to anarchy is little more than fearmongering. That won't ever happen here, and worrying about it in light of the recent massive government expansions is ludicrous. It's like an obese man fearing he will become too skinny if he goes on a diet.

walter,
You are arguing with me even though you seem to agree with me. Bizarre.

Tory,
Yours is the attitude I wish the Religious Right would adopt. You don't have to agree with a particular lifestyle, but that doesn't mean exclusionary tactics are in order. Tolerance for peaceful lifestyles is the key. That C-PAC speaker condemning gays sounded like a thug.

so let me get this straight……it's perfectly alright to condemn homosexuals ( by saying they are sinners ) here on King's blog…..but doing the same thing at CPAC makes you a thug?

is that about right?

Give it up, walt. Did you miss where I said "tolerance for peaceful lifestyles is the key" ?

Or do you only read the parts you want to read ?

this again from FactlarryD.com………"The media gave these clowns a lot of favorable coverage," noted one traditional conservative activist who was upset by the drift of CPAC this year. "We have our work cut out for us, between the media and the libertarian student movement that supports sodomy."

let's face it…..republicans will NEVER embrace Ron Paul and libertarianism.

King….did you miss where tory said " I object to homosexuality because of my religious beliefs….." and then "I do think it's a sin…."

like I said…..condemning gays by calling them sinners is perfectly acceptable here but condemning gays at CPAC is unacceptable and thuggish.

walter, you don't get it, do you? And you're not doing your cause any favors by what you're writing.

My objections to homosexuality are much like my objections to smoking. I personally would never choose to do it, nor do I think that others should. However, if you want to smoke or be in a homosexual relationship, that's your choice, not mine. Liberals seldom get it that I feel this way. They can't wrap their brains around my calling something a sin but feeling that a person has the right to choose how they want to live. My gay friends get it. I don't agree with their lifestyles, but I can't make their personal choices for them. End of discussion.

And, btw, Walter, I've never met anyone who wasn't a sinner. So your point is moot.

King Walt loves to argue. He'll even argue if you agree with him.

So you are saying Tory has no rights to her opinions, faith and beliefs Walt? Who made you the judge and jury or the opinion police or even God. I don't see her acting like that jackass. she just made a statemnt. She didn't condemn anyone to hell.

joe….let me think about this……tory objects to homosexuals because it's against her religion and she also thinks it a sin……sure, that's right, she's not condemning anyone to hell

let's face facts here….tory and Ryan Sorba are birds of a feather

joe sez…."So you are saying Tory has no rights to her opinions, faith and beliefs Walt?"

apparently you didn't think Ryan Sorba had a right to his opinions, faith and beliefs…..now did you?

homosexuality is like smoking…….just when you think you've heard it all

Is that what it's like….smoking?

Tory can't have her opinion? She isn't sentencing anyone to hell. God handles that for her. She chooses to not approve of that lifestyle. Is she not allowed to do that? In her faith and mine gayness is a sin, like adultery and other things. I am tolerant of folks that do both and don't preach to them about hell. That is their decision not mine.

Again I can't tell Sorba how to feel. It's not my position. I said the way he did what he did was wrong. He came off as repulsive, arrogant and a really huge jerk and bully.

so let me get this straight…….what you're saying, and contrary to King, is that the libertarian sodomites that were there to hear Ron Paul speak did NOT boo Ron Sorba because he is intolerant of gays but rather because he said he is intolerant of gays

is that about right?

Forget it Walt …..

walt says, "….tory and Ryan Sorba are birds of a feather."

That's crap, walt. Sorba said the gays shouldn't have been allowed to have a voice at C-PAC. That's what I condemned, his exclusionary tactics against those he disagreed with. Tory said the exact opposite, that the gays are entitled to their voice even though she disagrees with them. Tory rightly condemned Sorba. Even you should be able to see the difference between the two views.

walt says, "let's face it…..republicans will NEVER embrace Ron Paul and libertarianism."

Um, then how do you explain Ron Paul winning the Presidential straw poll at C-PAC ???

If you said ALL Republicans won't accept libertarianism, then that would be more correct. There are different factions within the party that don't always agree with each other, which was one of the thrusts of my original post.

joe,
walt just likes to argue for argument's sake. He doesn't care if he makes any sense or not.

let's see….tory is homophobic and, well, Ryan Sorba is homophobic…..I see your point….there's a HUGE difference between being homophobic and being homophobic

this from Factlarry.com……

"Sorba said the negative reaction he got from some in the CPAC audience came from those in libertarian and pro-Ron Paul groups whose purpose is "to infiltrate the conservative movement and take it over from within." He said that he received strong support after the event from traditional conservatives.

"The media gave these clowns a lot of favorable coverage," noted one traditional conservative activist who was upset by the drift of CPAC this year. "We have our work cut out for us, between the media and the libertarian student movement that supports sodomy."

http://www.rightsidenews.com/201002228786/editorial/the-gay-infiltration-of-the-conservative-movement.html

already the marginalization of Ron Paul begins

Glenn Greenwald….."The GOP's "small government" tea party fraud"

"The Party that spat contempt at Paul during the Bush years and was diametrically opposed to most of his platform now pretends to share his views. Standard-issue Republicans and Ron Paul libertarians are as incompatible as two factions can be — recall that the most celebrated right-wing moment of the 2008 presidential campaign was when Rudy Giuliani all but accused Paul of being an America-hating Terrorist-lover for daring to suggest that America's conduct might contribute to Islamic radicalism…"

The Right is petrified that this fraud will be exposed and is thus bending over backwards to sustain the myth. Paul was not only invited to be a featured speaker at the Conservative Political Action Conference but also won its presidential straw poll."

But that GOP limited government rhetoric is simply never matched by that Party's conduct, especially when they wield power. The very idea that a political party dominated by neocons, warmongers, surveillance fetishists, and privacy-hating social conservatives will be a party of "limited government" is absurd on its face. There literally is no myth more transparent than the Republican Party's claim to believe in restrained government power. For that reason, it's only a matter of time before the fundamental incompatibility of the "tea party movement" and the political party cynically exploiting it is exposed."

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/02/21/libertarianism/index.html

walter, look out! I hear your mom is going to take your computer away if you don't start doing your chores!

Troll.

this from Powerline……..Pee-Wee for President?

"Ron Paul has won the CPAC straw Presidential vote with 31 percent of the total. This is dismaying, to the extent one takes it seriously. Ron Paul is the crazy uncle in the Republican Party's attic. He is not a principled libertarian like, say, Steve Forbes. Rather, as I noted in this post, where I likened him to Pee-Wee Herman, Paul has a rather sinister history as a hater and conspiracy theorist."

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/02/025645.php

Ron Paul….from neo-nazi to republican presidential frontrunner….

this from FactlarryD.com

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_ron_paul_campaign_and_its.html

What is of importance in all this is the schitzophrenia revealed at CPAC. Ron Paul is not a neo-conservative. He disagrees with mainstream conservatives and Republicans who embrace torture, Gitmo, wars of imperialistic adventure and enslavement to the military-industrial complex.

Yet, CPAC'ers voted 31% for a guy who espouses opposite foreign policies from Republicans.

Bi-polar…..or split personalities? Or is it just confusion?

walter,
Thanks for proving my points. You've done well.

Except for that 'Ron Paul is a Nazi' stuff. That was REALLY dumb, as was that moron who said Ron Paul is not a Libertarian. Duh. It's really not necessary for you to cut and paste every loony notion that lefties dream up.

Because I get tired of repeating myself, I won't state again what my original post was about.

Rev says, "Bi-polar…..or split personalities? Or is it just confusion?"

Maybe it's hope and change. I thought libs were for that.

actually Rev, it's not split personalities at all……it's simply republicans scamming the American public using Ron Paul

King and his republican fellow travelers scamming the American public? SS/DD I'd say

Glenn Greenwald nailed King and his fellow republican travelers perfectly…….. "The very idea that a political party dominated by neocons, warmongers, surveillance fetishists, and privacy-hating social conservatives will be a party of "limited government" is absurd on its face."

and people think the republican dominated Rupert Murdoch/Fox News Corp./Don't Tread on Me/Glenn Beck 9-12 project is going to be somehow different. Just more republican scamming

walter,
You amaze me. I write a post condemning Republicans, and you end up talking about "King and his fellow republican travelers."