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Democrats Say The Darndest Things

by Da King on February 13, 2010

in Democrats,global warming,iraq war,jobs,liberalism,Uncategorized,White House administration

I keep thinking I should write a post about my differences with the Republican party, but Democrats keep talking, thereby constantly reminding me why I detest Democrats, so I never quite get around to the Republicans. Here are a few of the latest examples of Demo-speak.

"I am very optimistic about, about Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration." –Vice President Joe Biden, Febrary 2010.

Don't that beat all ? Here is Biden crediting the Obama administration for our successes in Iraq. Time for a short history lesson. Biden and Obama both opposed the Bush-era Surge, which transformed the Iraq War from a failing proposition to a winning proposition. And Biden was the one who proposed the colossally stupid three-state solution in Iraq, which would have been a logistical and humanitarian nightmare involving the uprooting and relocation of millions of Iraqis. In addition, the timetable for America's withdrawal from Iraq was setup by the Bush administration, not the Obama administration. To Obama's credit, he did continue the policies of his predecessor Bush in Iraq, policies which were condemned by Democrats for years, policies that Obama himself condemned over and over again on the campaign trail in 2008. Obama also repeatedly said on the campaign trail that he'd end the Iraq War in sixteen months, another promise he will not keep (thankfully).
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"Most small businesses right now, if they've got enough customers to make a profit and they can get the bank loans required to boost their payroll, boost their inventory and sell to those customers, they will do so." –Barack Obama, February 2010.

Here is a comment from a man who has no idea what it means to run a business. FYI Obama – A business doesn't take out bank loans to make payroll. If a business is taking out bank loans to make it's payroll, that is a business soon to be out of business. If a business can't make payroll, it lays people off, it scales back.
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"The idea [to create jobs] is to provide financial support to workers, age 60 to 62, who are currently employed, to opt for a temporary, expanded early retirement benefit under Social Security. The jobs those individuals leave will need to be refilled, even under the current recessionary circumstances. Employers will hire an equal number of unemployed people to take their places. With approximately 4.2 million workers in that age group, we would need only one-quarter of them to elect to take expanded early retirement in order to create 1 million private-sector jobs." – Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), January 24, 2010.

Here, Dennis the Menace is saying a million jobs will be created by moving a million people to early Social Security at age 60. Sigh. I can't stand it. First of all, retiring a million people early to have their jobs taken by other workers DOESN'T CREATE ANY JOBS. It's a wash. A million workers leave the workforce and a million workers replace them. That's ZERO jobs created. Second, the net result of Kucinich's proposal is only that a million more people go on Social Security, adding more unfunded entitlement liability than that program already has. It adds more to the government debt. Why does it seem that the Democrats response to absolutely everything is to have MORE people dependent on the government ? Maybe it's because the Democrats response to everything is to have MORE people dependent on the government (Whoa. I just got that deja vu feeling. Weird). Speaking as someone from northeast Ohio, I sincerely apologize for Dennis Kucinich. We are not all dolts here.
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"It's [called] climate change, where where it's supposed to get warm it gets warmer, and where it's supposed to get cold, it gets colder." – Keith Olbermann, February 2010.

Maybe it's not fair to Democrats to characterize Olbermann as a Democrat. He's more like…a raving left-wing madman. I'm sure Olby doesn't ever vote Republican, however. The above quote is Olbermann of PMS-NBC responding to Republican James Inhofe of Oklahoma, who joked about how the recent record snowfalls don't seem to indicate any global warming taking place. Olby takes the insane liberal loon stance that no matter what happens with the weather…global warming, er, I mean, climate change, is responsible for it. This is pretty convenient for the loons, because it's makes their climate change religion inviolable. Climate change is responsible for EVERYTHING now. Heavy rain ? Climate change. No rain ? Climate change. Hot temperatures ? Climate change. Cold temperatures ? Climate change. Heavy snowfall ? Climate change. No snowfall ? Climate change. On and on it goes. The old flat-earthers look absolutely intelligent by comparison.

On the same subject:

"One of the most disturbing things about the Republican Party over the last couple of decades is that they just don’t believe in science any more. And that is not an approach that is likely to generate any kind of creative thinking…People who use snowstorms as an example of why global warming doesn’t exist don’t understand the science and they don’t care.” – Democrat Howard Dean, February 2010.

See: Olbermann's response that ALL WEATHER PHENOMENON is climate change. How scientific is that ?

For further response to How-weird Dean, I give you Ed Morrissey from HotAir, who responds to Dean better than I could:

"Actually, we do respect science. What we don’t do is adopt belief systems based on hypotheses from so-called scientists that use incomplete and unreliable predictive modeling, include wild conjectures as fact, pass off student dissertations as reliable research, and accept advocacy claims without testing, all while conspiring to hide contradictory evidence and scheme to ruin the careers of those who question them. Science requires that claims get tested, that predictive models that fail get discarded, that data and process remain open for review, and that critical thinking get welcomed instead of demonized.
Now, when Howard Dean wants to discuss scientifically how anyone can represent what the IPCC did as rigorous and reliable science, and how the “science” that predicted unstoppable increases in global temperatures for the last 12 years got it wrong but still remains reliable as a basis on which to enact public policy that massively intrudes on private enterprise, property rights, and energy production, well, I’d bet the GOP would welcome such a forum. But while we’re there, perhaps Dean and the scientific acolytes in the Democratic Party can scientifically explain how a group of cells with a unique, human DNA that divide and multiply within a uterus is somehow not human life.
You know, since we’re being scientific and all." – Ed Morrissey

Yeah. What he said.

Or we can go with the dumb screamy guy who said Republicans don't believe in sicence. You pick.

  • Andrea

    Wait a second Biden's remark – Let me see if I got it right – so you guys been saying it is Obama's economy and Obama's deficit – but the war in Iraq only belongs to Bush NOW and 9/11 belonged to Clinton and never even happened under Bush ? What do you guys get to pick and choose?

    As for Olbermann his remark I am pretty sure it was about the republican pundits stupid remarks implying that because it snowed global warming can't be real.

    As for Howard Deans remark I agree with him. Not only have they been backward on science as far as global warming but also on evolution and stem cell research. When you deny something exists just because you can't prove it is to deny science. The republicans would have been with the "earth is flat" type of thinking back in Columbus day . Science is not always 100% right but you got to be open to move on and advance and find out. The way to understanding and to finding the truth is not always a direct path. The Republicans do not want to even go up the path to understanding they want to stop the progression and research and to not do anything constructive to stop what might be coming until too late.

    Ed Morrisay case doesn't hold water . Because the VAST majority of the scientific community believes in global warming so if you are not open to what science is trying to prove you are not open to science. If you can't prove a drug cures a disease but close the door on finding out if it does you do not support science. So because issues have been raised by different statements in the IPCC report but none of them contradict the core assessments that climate change is real and man-made you dont write it off. Just shows Morrisey doesn't even understand what science is .

  • Andrea

    Actually I think Biden was referring to the EXIT strategy and the removal of troops from Iraq Not the surge – because that will be the best achievement when comes to the Iraq war.
    As for Obama's statement I think you need to re read it – he says boost payroll he doesn't say to make payroll.

  • The Irreverend

    Dear Andrea -

    What flavor is the kool-aid today? Please pass some over.

  • Craig Shearer

    Andrea,

    Do us a favor, and please go hang yourself.

  • Da King

    Andrea,
    I suppose it never occurred to you that the Iraq exit strategy wouldn't be happening without the Surge, or that the only exit strategy we'd be pursuing in Iraq if the Dems had their way back in 2006-2007 would be called DEFEAT.

  • The Reverend

    Andrea, rightly, calls King out on his flexible approach to casting blame and rewarding praise.

    Conservatives, though, have been depending on real-time revisions for quite a while.

    The past decade has been the warmest on record. May not mean anything, but, you know, it's a scientific fact.

    From resistance to embryonic stem cell research…..to the Schiavo embarassment….to the belief that America has enough oil right here……today's conservatives have proven, pretty much withou a doubt, that they are opposed to scientific findings they disagree with. That's why Bush had several of his agency heads remove, or not include, scientific findings that flew in the face of conservative ideology.

    Remind me again…..when did Olbermann become a weather man?

    But I must single this out….

    "Most small businesses right now, if they've got enough customers to make a profit and they can get the bank loans required to boost their payroll, boost their inventory and sell to those customers, they will do so." –Barack Obama, February 2010.

    Here is a comment from a man who has no idea what it means to run a business. FYI Obama – A business doesn't take out bank loans to make payroll. If a business is taking out bank loans to make it's payroll, that is a business soon to be out of business. If a business can't make payroll, it lays people off, it scales back."

    Do you mean "run a business" like the Chimp ran his businesses? You mean like that? Obama doesn't know anything about running a business like, you know, Bush did? See….Bush "knew" about running businesses…he was "qualified" to be president, unlike Obama. The fact that Bush was a miserable failure, bankrupting every business he was involved with…..I guess,…doesn't matter.

    Finally, for someone who knows all about business, King doesn't seem to understand that a whole bunch of businesses, large and small, depend on CREDIT, business equity lines of credit…..borrowing…..to meet payroll. In case you were away the last few years……big banks have made credit line borrowing, credit line limits, more difficult to obtain.

    That particular criticism of Obama is simply…..what's the word?…..silly.

  • larry d.

    If I remember correctly, Bush created and negotiated the fundamentals of the exit strategy before he left office, in any case. Obama pushed up the dates, but it remains to be seen if that will happen or how it will work if it does.

  • larry d.

    Bush holds an MBA from Harvard, I believe. I don't know much about all the businesses he ran, but I do know the Texas Rangers didn't go bankrupt and I'd bet he sold the team for a pretty good profit. He was also the governor of the nation's second largest state. Comparing his experience to Obama's is like comparing a Honda Gold Wing to a tricycle.

    And of course any small business that approaches a bank for a loan to make payroll is swirling down the toilet, Reverend. Small businesses I am familiar with get lines of credit from inventory suppliers, and sometimes take out bank loans for capital improvements.

  • The Irreverend

    Dear Rev -

    I run a small business and provide consulting to help others manage theirs. If you depend on your line of credit to make payroll then you are headed toward insolvency because you aren't earning enough to cover your fixed costs. Credit is best used to cover seasonal issues, invest in equipment that has a calculated payback, or cover short – term cash flow issues from customers. Unlike the federal government or the companies they have bailed out, small business owners are expected to pay back these loans.

    You have absolutely no credibility. You should have taken a simple Intro to Business class instead of Marxism 101.

    One final note on decorum: What gives you the right to call a former US President a chimp? He has certainly accomplished more than you have with your pathetic, hate-filled blog. While I vastly disagree with the behavior of Clinton and the actions of Obama, I still respect the office and hold anyone who served in esteem. Your vituperative personal attacks only prove to others how little class you have. It weakens your already limited credibility.

  • Andrea

    Craig Shearer – jack ass response

  • Andrea

    Da King – I think you guys forgot the SCARCISM note on the bottom of his statement – So take credit for all of it – Go right ahead as of jan 2010 here are the statics you are all so proud of
    Bush and the Republicans want credit for ALL OF THIS so round of applause goes to the Republicans who want to be credited for it ALL
    Spent & Approved War-Spending – About $900 billion of US taxpayers' funds spent or approved for spending through Sept 2010.
    U.S. 2008 Monthly Spending in Iraq – $12 billion
    Lost & Unaccounted for in Iraq – $9 billion of US taxpayers' money and $549.7 milion in spare parts shipped in 2004 to US contractors. Also, per ABC News, 190,000 guns, including 110,000 AK-47 rifles.
    Mismanaged & Wasted in Iraq – $10 billion, per Feb 2007 Congressional hearings
    Halliburton Overcharges Classified by the Pentagon as Unreasonable and Unsupported – $1.4 billion
    Amount paid to KBR, a former Halliburton division, to supply U.S. military in Iraq with food, fuel, housing and other items – $20 billion
    U.S. Troop Casualties – 4,377
    Non-U.S. Troop Casualties – Total 316,
    US Troops Wounded – 31,639 through September 30, 2009, 20% of which are serious brain or spinal injuries. (Total excludes psychological injuries.)
    US Troops with Serious Mental Health Problems – 30% of US troops develop serious mental health problems within 3 to 4 months of returning home
    US Military Helicopters Downed in Iraq – 73 total, at least 36 by enemy fire
    Private Contractors in Iraq, Working in Support of US Army Troops – More than 180,000 in August 2007, per The Nation/LA Times.
    Journalists killed – 140, 93 by murder and 47 by acts of war
    Journalists killed by US Forces – 14
    Iraqi Civilians Killed, Estimated – A UN issued report dated Sept 20, 2006 stating that Iraqi civilian casualties have been significantly under-reported. Casualties are reported at 50,000 to over 100,000, but may be much higher. Some informed estimates place Iraqi civilian casualities at over 600,000.
    Non-Iraqi Contractors and Civilian Workers Killed – 569
    Non-Iraqi Kidnapped – 306, including 57 killed, 147 released, 4 escaped, 6 rescued and 89 status unknown.
    Iraqis Displaced Inside Iraq, by Iraq War, as of May 2007 – 2,255,000
    Iraqi Refugees in Syria & Jordan – 2.1 million to 2.25 million
    Iraqi Unemployment Rate – 27 to 60%, where curfew not in effect
    Consumer Price Inflation in 2006 – 50%
    Iraqi Children Suffering from Chronic Malnutrition – 28% in June 2007 (Per CNN.com, July 30, 2007)
    Percent of professionals who have left Iraq since 2003 – 40%
    Iraqi Physicians Before 2003 Invasion – 34,000
    Iraqi Physicians Who Have Left Iraq Since 2005 Invasion – 12,000
    Iraqi Physicians Murdered Since 2003 Invasion – 2,000
    Average Daily Hours Iraqi Homes Have Electricity – 1 to 2 hours, per Ryan Crocker, U.S. Ambassador to Iraq (Per Los Angeles Times, July 27, 2007)
    Average Daily Hours Iraqi Homes Have Electricity – 10.9 in May 2007
    Average Daily Hours Baghdad Homes Have Electricity – 5.6 in May 2007
    Pre-War Daily Hours Baghdad Homes Have Electricity – 16 to 24
    Iraqis without access to adequate water supplies – 70% (Per CNN.com, July 30, 2007)

    RESULTS OF POLL Taken in Iraq in August 2005 by the British Ministry of Defense (Source: Brookings Institute)

    Iraqis "strongly opposed to presence of coalition troops – 82%

    Iraqis who believe Coalition forces are responsible for any improvement in security – less than 1%

    Iraqis who feel less ecure because of the occupation – 67%

    Iraqis who do not have confidence in multi-national forces – 72%

    And thank goodness someones finally going to bring the troops home

  • averagejoe5

    Wow August of 2005 couldnt you find anything more current Andrea?

  • Andrea

    average joe – was taken as of jan 25 th 2010 – I wrote that on top – anything that wasn't as resent I then put dates for
    - I think Biden was using a bit of sarcasm which apparently went over heads since they think the surge makes the war a success -

  • Da King

    Thanks Andrea, for proving to me that you are one of those Democrats who wished for defeat in Iraq, like Biden.

    I don't believe I ever made the argument that war was fun or cheap. I suppose that doesn't matter.

    Why do liberals always argue against things I never said ???? That has to be some kind of mental defect.

  • N. E. Frye

    … and your momma dresses you funny!

  • Da King

    Rev says, "From resistance to embryonic stem cell research…..to the Schiavo embarassment….to the belief that America has enough oil right here……today's conservatives have proven, pretty much withou a doubt, that they are opposed to scientific findings they disagree with."

    1. Bush ALLOWED stem cell research.
    2. Terri Schiavo was an innocent woman executed by the state against the wishes of her own family.
    3. I've never heard anyone say "America has enough oil right here," so that sounds like a straw man argument. I have heard some say America has enough oil reserves to be the number one oil-producing nation, or that America's natural gas reserves could be used to achieve oil independence. Those two things are both potentially true.

    In short, you provided NO justification to say Republicans are against science. Try again. Hint – You'd probably do better if you attacked the religious fundamentalists.

  • Bubba

    I guess the Rev would have been all for the experiments Dr. Josef Mengele did since they were all done in the name of science. Sorry Rev that sometimes experiments aren't done because of the morality involved in doing the experiment. Or were those who think the Tuskegee experiments wrong anti-science?

  • Da King

    And Rev, as for this statement of yours, "The past decade has been the warmest on record. May not mean anything, but, you know, it's a scientific fact. "

    See my next post.

  • larry d.

    I think the Reverend stopped reading anything other than Glenn Greenwald and DailyKos sometime around last February.

  • Da King

    That would explain a lot.

  • walter

    "Most small businesses right now, if they've got enough customers to make a profit and they can get the bank loans required to boost their payroll, boost their inventory and sell to those customers, they will do so." –Barack Obama, February 2010.

    King sez…." A business doesn't take out bank loans to make payroll."

    larry sez……"And of course any small business that approaches a bank for a loan to make payroll is swirling down the toilet…."

    Obama doesn't say anything about taking out a loan to MEET payroll. Do you see the word "boost"? He's talking about expanding. When a company borrows money to expand some of that money goes to hire new workers

    it's not that Obama doesn't know anything about business it's that you don't know how to read

  • walter

    the not relevant reverand sez…."I run a small business and provide consulting to help others manage theirs." Avon or Mary Kay?

  • The Irreverend

    Aww Wally… you're just so pathetic… you have my pity. Send me your info – I'll see if we can get you admitted into the Witless Protection program.

  • walter

    Oh, so sorry….must be Amway

    save your pity for your children…….something tells me they need it a lot more than me

  • The Irreverend

    Wally -

    It's now obvious why you always try to argue your position using other people's words. You simply aren't capable of original thought or intelligent discourse. Since you seem determined to bring my wonderful kids into your grade school name calling rant we'll simply leave you with a quote from our favorite hero Buzz Lightyear:

    "You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity. "

    Peace. I'm done wasting my time on your drivel.

  • walter

    not relevant reverand…..you're breaking my heart…..LOL

    like Andrea said and the relevant Reverand said and I said……..you and larry and King and Fox Nation need to learn how to read and quit your whining

    after larry accused me of saying something filthy about Mexicans, accusing me of a "grade school name calling rant" seems pretty tame

    just saying

  • walter

    not relevant reverand…..joe said this on the Palin thread….."She reminds me of a typical whiney, self grandizing and promoting, spoiled, back biting, over the fence gossiping bitch like most women in America."

    I called joe an a$$hole…….after reading your comments I'm starting to think I owe joe an apology

    naw….just kidding

  • Da King

    walter,
    Go ask your boss if he takes out bank loans to "boost" payroll (which is the same thing as "make" payroll), then let me know what he says.

  • The Reverend

    My evil twin, The Irreverend, chides me on my business knowledge. That's fine. My skin is thick.

    Only thing is, Irreverend, you are the one who seems to be out of the loop when it comes to today's businesses. Do you remember your hero, G.W. Bush, telling all of us last October how companies would not be able to make their payrolls after the bankster crash, because of credit tightening? Necessitating the, you know, bankster bailout? Remember? Well, that was payroll made from credit lines.

    And what gives me the right to call Bush a Chimp? Pay close attention to my answer…..the Constitution's first amendment.

    Bush has never accomplished anything on his own, and what he did do, he either failed at, or resulted in damage to many, many people….while I'm a self-made man. So, please, it's best, when you have no idea what you're talking about, to stay silent. There's a reason Bush was an utter failure as president…..he was an utter failure in everything he touched.

    On the Texas Rangers bullpucky. Georgie was led by his hand into the Ranger new park scam from which he emerged a multi-millionaire. Bush played the role of a Wal-Mart greeter….picture taking, shaking hands, media appearances, etc. The Ranger deal was orchestrated by bigtime GOP contributors who intended on "making" Georgie president. Georgie needed a whole bunch of money, first, before running for president…..just like Palin does today.

    Poppy had actually done something in his life….his spawn?….not so much.

  • Da King

    Rev, your Bush Derangement Syndrome is showing. You have a complusion to belittle absolutely everything about the man. It makes you appear deranged.

  • The Irreverend

    Dear Rev -

    I understand the First Amendment and appreciate your right to be an idiot. Life without you as my evil twin would not be as much fun. In some strange alternate universe scenario You….complete….me. :)

  • averagejoe5

    Irreverand – LOL that's classic….

  • walter

    King….I asked the owner if boosting payroll is the same as making payroll and he said no, not in his world. His thought about boosting payroll was adding people to the payroll while making payroll meant paying the payroll.

    His thought was that if a business was to borrow money to expand and part of the expansion was to hire people then yes, you might want to borrow enough to cover those workers wages until a sufficient cash flow is realized. Just like you would want to factor in the raw materials.

    You put up a building and buy 6 new machines but you don't have enough to buy raw materials and operators……you're kinda screwed

  • Da King

    I think you just made all that up, but fair enough.

    Because it sounds like your boss was speaking hypothetically, it also sounds like his reality is that he doesn't take out bank loans to meet payroll. He might, however, theoretically take out a bank loan to meet the expansion needs of his business, based upon an increased demand for his services, i.e., a big new contract. Okay. Point taken.

  • walter

    actually, when he first started his business there were times when he had a lot of money out there and there was a problem downstream and he needed money to pay his supplier to get the ball rolling on another contract. He'd take out what is called a mezinine loan…short term high interest. He couldn't really say for sure if the borrowed money went to payroll and company money went to the supplier or company money went to payroll and the borrowed money went to the supplier…..or a combination of the 2.

    there are now companies that will purchase your account receivables….which is basically a loan

    like the owner said…..he's not going to let a little matter like not having any cash on hand to keep him from accepting a contract

    of course, that's not what Obama was talking about

    just saying

  • Da King

    Damn, you keep arguing even after I concede the point.

    Personality issue ?

  • The Reverend

    Great comment Irreverend. Seriously. It made me smile.

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