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Melting Arctic Ice

by Da King on December 14, 2009

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While reading an Associated Press article about how developing countries, led by China and India, are boycotting the UN climate talks in Copenhagen, I came upon the following reference to Al Gore, the world's pre-eminent climatologist, who graduated from Harvard with a Bachelor of Arts degree in Government (Gore did take a class on climate science, however):

Former Vice President Al Gore told the conference that new data suggests a 75 percent chance the entire Arctic polar ice cap may disappear in the summertime as soon as five to seven years from now.

I hadn't heard this before, so I set out to find some corroboration that the polar ice cap was going to melt away in five years or so. The closest I came was this article from October 2009:

LONDON, England (CNN) — New data released Thursday suggests that the Arctic Ocean will be "largely ice free" during summer within a decade. The report, complied by the UK-based Catlin Arctic Survey and the World Wildlife Fund (WWF), is the latest research into ice thickness in the Arctic. Researchers predict that within 20 years ice cover will be completely gone during the warmer months. The expedition, which was completed in May, was led by UK explorer Pen Hadow. He and his team collected data by manually drilling into the ice and noting its thickness along a 450-kilometer route across the northern part of the Beaufort Sea. They found that the area surveyed was comprised almost exclusively of first year ice.

If the area was comprised almost exclusively of first year ice, this means that the area was almost exclusively ice-free one year ago. We already knew this was true (as did the scientists at Catlin Arctic and WWF), because the Northwest Passage has been open in the summertime. We know that Arctic sea ice is melting, which has sounded the alarm for global action on CO2 emissions.

What we need to determine is WHY the Arctic sea ice is melting. The IPCC and fellow global warming advocates attribute it all to a rise in atmospheric CO2, creating a greenhouse effect, warming the planet. Is this correct ? Maybe it is, the attendees in Copenhagen certainly think so, but, being the skeptical sort, as I thought scientists are supposed to be, I like to look at all the information available before I make a determination. Global weather systems are complex, and the reason for melting Arctic sea ice could also be complex. Let's look at some more data, the kind that doesn't ever seem to make the headlines.

The Arctic ice cap is most vulnerable to warming temperatures because it consists entirely of ice, unlike the South Pole region, which sits on top of a gigantic land mass, Antarctica. There are two ways for Arctic ice to melt, either by an increase in the atmospheric temperature above the ice, or a warming of the water beneath the ice. Interestingly, while overall global atmospheric temperatures have increased over the last century, Arctic temperatures have not, though there are fluctuating patterns, which we'll get to in a minute. At the North Pole, temperatures range from -45F to -15F. I don't think the ice there will be melting anytime soon due to the atmospheric temperature. Here is a graph of Arctic Rim annual mean temperatures from 1951-2000:

arctic rim temperatures

I don't see much change in these temperatures, do you ? They fluctuate up some, then down some. To me, this leaves the explanation for persistent melting Arctic ice to warming sea waters under the ice, unless it's just a natural fluctuation. When the Northwest Passage opened a couple years ago, the man-made global warming advocates predicted doom and stated it proved their case. Okay, maybe it does, but then, how do they explain this ???

"It will without doubt have come to your Lordship's knowledge that a considerable change of climate, inexplicable at present to us, must have taken place in the Circumpolar Regions, by which the severity of the cold that has for centuries past enclosed the seas in the high northern latitudes in an impenetrable barrier of ice has been during the last two years, greatly abated.

(This) affords ample proof that new sources of warmth have been opened and give us leave to hope that the Arctic Seas may at this time be more accessible than they have been for centuries past, and that discoveries may now be made in them not only interesting to the advancement of science but also to the future intercourse of mankind and the commerce of distant nations." – President of the Royal Society, London, to the Admiralty, 20th November, 1817

Was there a lot of man-made global warming taking place in 1817, before the Industrial Revolution, before automobiles, before deforestation ? I wonder how that polar ice melted back then. I'm just asking.

If warming oceans are causing the Arctic sea ice to melt, it is almost certainly due to warming of the Atlantic Ocean, which flows in much more volume into the Arctic region than does the Pacific Ocean through the narrow Bering Strait. This could be explained by man-made global warming, because the oceans serve as heat traps and carbon sinks, absorbing much of the atmospheric CO2. I assume all readers are familiar with global warming theory by now, so I won't go into that further here. Man-made global warming is one explanation, and there's little doubt that the North Atlantic has been warming. What I will do is ask, are there any other explanations for a warming North Atlantic Ocean, which would result in a warming Arctic region ?

The answer is yes. Here's one:

An analysis of available records shows that while the North Atlantic Oceans surface waters warmed in the 50 years between 1950 and 2000, the change was not uniform. In fact, the subpolar regions cooled at the same time that subtropical and tropical waters warmed. This striking pattern can be explained largely by the influence of a natural and cyclical wind circulation pattern called the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO)…the NAO produces strong natural variability. This suggests that these large-scale, decadal changes associated with the NAO, are primarily responsible for the ocean heat content changes in the North Atlantic over the past 50 years.

The North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) is the Atlantic equivalent of the the Southern Oscillation known more commonly as El Nino and La Nina. These heavily influence temperatures and weather phenomenon (floods, droughts, hurricanes, etc). We already know that the record high 1998 global temperatures that the global warmers trumpeted as proving their case was greately due to a particularly intense El Nino effect. It wasn't man-made global warming. It was the trade winds.

A positive NAO cycle will push waters into the Arctic region faster, causing those waters to be warmer, melting Arctic sea ice faster. Let's look at the NAO trends:

nao trends

From this, we see the NAO was strongly positive from 1900 to around 1930, while its most significant negative period was during the late 1950's and 1960's, the very time when we first started reliably measuring Arctic sea ice, when it would have been thicker. Since then, the NAO has been strongly positive again, resulting in increasingly thinner Arctic ice as the waters warmed. This effect takes place WITHOUT any consideration of man-made global warming.

Funny how we never read about this in the newspaper.

When I look at ALL the weather data available, as opposed to only the part that the IPCC and the global warming alarmists want me to look at, I generally still reach the conclusion that rising CO2 levels do have an impact on the climate and the environment. It's just not the impact the warmers would have us believe. There are other factors to consider, and when the global warmers leave those factors out of their equation, it only makes me more skeptical, being the scientific-minded person that I am.

  • Jeff

    Do CO2 levels impact the climate or is it the climate impacts CO2 levels.

    Historically Temperature increases have PRECEDED CO2 increases, data like ice core samples have proven a 400 to 800 yr lag in CO2 behind temperatures. When you look at the percentage of man made co2 that is given to the atmosphere, you see a different picture, the millions of tons, are but a spec in the great scheme, CO2 is only .3% of the total atmosphere and humans are .1% or less of that amount. So could the observed increase be mostly natural, and as a result of the medieval warming period, and later the warming after the little ice age.

    Last fact, can anyone tell me what the proper temperature for the planet is, or even the best one, because in reality, there is no mechanism that makes the climate run away, and become too warm, ice age, yes, unrestrained warming no, too much heat creates clouds which reflect energy capping warming.

  • terje

    how about some citations for these graphs?

  • angry conserv

    King,
    Why all the effort? Al Gore and theUN say it has been decided. What is next data telling us the earth is flat. You have to love the first of the speakers representing 109 govs. at the freakshow–The Assistant President of Sudan. Now there is a man that knows of what he speaks.

  • fourfoos

    The real problem is the thermal expansion of the upper sea water. I think the equation is something like for every 1.5 degrees C increase in the temperature of the upper water of the oceans – like about 1500 feet – sea level will rise by 6 inches. You cannot look at the amount of ice on just one part of the ocean because of currents. Just because Gore is trying to make a point with "shock value" does not mean that there is not a problem.

  • larry d.

    This melting is definitely caused by geothermal factors. As Gore recently pointed out on national television, the temperature of the earth's interior has reached the "millions of degrees" threshold, thousands of times hotter than the surface of the sun.

  • Da King

    Jeff,
    You point out another problem with addressing man-made global warming. If we reduce carbon emissions by 20% at great cost to our economy, that only reduces atmospheric carbon by 20% of the 1% man is responsible for. Will that have any impact on the climate ??? Sounds pretty doubtful to me, even if the global warmers are correct.

  • Da King
  • Da King

    larry,
    I forgot about Gore saying the earth was two million degrees a couple miles under the surface (I only said Gore was the world's pre-eminent climatologist. He must not have taken a college course in Geology).

    There shouldn't be any ice at all on earth :-)

    Or life.

  • terje

    don't waste my time with links to other websites. give full citations to the articles in which these studies were published.

  • roysoldboy

    King, it is very possible that Algore really believed what he said about the Earth's temperatures under its surface. Of course, that tells us that he doesn't really know much because he wouldn't be here to make noises if it were true.

    BTW, his two kilometers down is quite a bit less than 2 miles. The poor man gets all confused now and then.

    Have you seen the interview Lord Monckton had with that female member of Greenpeace in Copenhagen? It is hilarious and worth watching. I will get it to you so you can see just how silly they really are.

  • roysoldboy

    Here is the video of Lord Christopher Monckton completely owning a professed member of Greenpeace in Copenhagen at the "big" conference of GW believers. I don't believe she ever figured out that she had been had.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzkB5DuveDE

  • terje

    king, you obviously have no scientific background. i'm not even talking about the global warming debate. this whole presentation is an embarrassment to science. not only did you neglect to properly cite your sources you make an amateur's mistake by using google or a similar search engine in your research ("I hadn't heard this before, so I set out to find some corroboration that the polar ice cap was going to melt away in five years or so. The closest I came was this article from October 2009:").

    here's a free lesson for you from prof. terje: use a library that pays for database services so you can find sources for your scientific debate. newspaper articles and blogs are not sources. the people who did these studies not only deserve a proper citation, without it you are plagiarizing. you cannot post graphs such as these in their current context. fix it.

  • roysoldboy

    terje,
    I looked at a picture on the john-daly site you didn't like at all and wondered if that thing would be allowable in a discussion among the consensus "scientists" along with Algore. For some reason those pictures showed the water level in Tasmania lower in 1841 than in 2004. With all the melting that is taking place, according to Greenpeace, I wonder why the water level on those rocks would be lower.

    Hey, I have no scientific background but I do prefer some of the scientists that aren't easily published by the MSM because they don't agree with the Warmers of the World.

  • terje

    roysoldboy, who gives a crap what al gore wants discussed or not? the fact is that these studies are almost always published somewhere and should be cited as such.

  • terje

    "Hey, I have no scientific background but I do prefer some of the scientists that aren't easily published by the MSM because they don't agree with the Warmers of the World."

    and i mean published in a SCIENTIFIC JOURNAL. i could give a damn what the "msm" writes about.

  • roysoldboy

    I guess only severe believers in global warming are allowed to worry about Algore.

    Maybe looking at some of the videos from Copenhagen would make Algore's noises a bit more important. Like the fact that the police arrested 826 demonstrators on Saturday, last. I watched a number of videos from that scene this morning and all of them showed the police to be the bad guys while the demonstrators chanted things aimed at saying that all the "rich" nations have to pay their debts. In other words we have to have cap and trade laws so we can be forced to pay our debt and yet King has showed that some of the people in climatology really don't believe that man made global warming is true.

    I really do wonder why Warmers don't give any credence to El nino, and las nina effects from thePacific. I believe that is all caused because going back to those phenomena allows us to avoid their global warming thing.

    Since you are a professor, are you paid from grants from the UN and other believers in global warming and those who see warming as the path to the NWO that I don't want to see. Just asking.

  • terje

    i'm not actually a professor. just a guy with an earth science background and an academic librarian for a wife.

    and king hasn't shown anything with this post except the ability to post a disjointed, incomplete and citationless blog post that comes to very vague conclusions.

  • Jeff

    100 reasons Warmers are Idiot, and this includes the Blog of Mass Disinformation

    http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/146138

  • N. E. Frye

    I think Terje would be happier reading a scholarly journal than a blog. If you think DK is lying say so and give us a reason; but if it includes a cite, or a site I'm probably not going to take the time to look it up.

    As to the reasons for global warming or the fact of it – the only thing I know is that the glaciers are melting. Some of the ploys of the climatologists seem a bit Lysenkoist to me, but the difference between what's happening now and what happened in 1817 is that they only had around a billion people around then. Now we're approaching seven billion. (You can find that in last year's World Almanac Terje (I forget what page it it's on). So the problem may not be global warming so much as a shortage of high ground for people to head for. What % of the World's pop live at 30 or fewer feet elevation?

  • The Reverend

    Virtually anything can be bandied about as "proof" to deny that man is helping to cause global warming.

    We know that ice is melting in the Arctic region. We also know that glaciers are melting at an increased rate. Earth temperatures in the last decade have shown an increase.

    One reason why I think action should be taken is to lessen our dependency on carbon-based fuels. Even if it took 50 years to bring down our importation of oil-based fuels, the end result, man-created problem or not, would be better for America in every way. To me, that is much more important of an argument to be having, rather than bickering endlessly about why ice is melting and why recent temperatures are increasing.

    I have no idea why Mr. Jeff is dissing my blog here…..I don't get involved in the climate argument. There's plenty of other arguments to be had.

  • N. E. Frye

    More or less agree with you Rev; even if we're not causing it I'd like to see us do what we can, even if it don't help much. SAVE THE RAIN FORESTS! I'd also like to see less Lysenkoism – on both sides of this and some other issues.

  • larry d.

    Terje you're post indicates a little bit of a narcissistic bent. What if someone who took a couple economics classes demanded that every argument about the economy be underpinned by links to peer reviewed, scholarly economics journals, or someone else demanded that every argument about welfare be underpinned by links to peer reviewed journals by sociologists.

    I haven't seen anything this silly since some guy argued in MacManamon's blog that with only 50 games under his belt, Eric Mangini is the least experienced head coach in the history of the NFL. Oh yeah, that was you, too.

  • terje

    larry, what is narcissistic about wanting sources? i wonder how othe abj would feel if they got a call from a lawyer saying that a study was posted on their server without a proper citation?

    secondly, these graphs are crucial to the king's argument. why is he afraid to source them? it's pretty damn important to know the original intent, methodology and conclusions of the studies that are not cited. especially in the case of the nao. since that phenomenon was unknown until the 1920's i'm curious how the 1800's and early 20th c. were extrapolated.

    n.e. frye, it has nothing to do with lying and everything to do with a failure to present a sound argument that is properly notated. yes, i would like to read the journal articles because i understand the science and don't depend on blog hacks for my opinions.

  • http://www.musgarage.com/ Nicolas

    Super post, Need to mark it on Digg
    Thanks
    Nicolas

  • Da King

    terje,
    I have the feeling that no matter what source I cite, you will move the bar to somewhere else.
    I did source the graphs, and the Arctic Rim graph is self-sourcing, because it names the climate measuring stations that produced the data. Easily verifiable.

    As for the NAO graph, the NAO is measured constantly, even daily. I had the same question about the late 1800's data on the NAO graph that you did, but because I was mainly concerned with 1950 forward, which corresponded with the times Arctic ice was first measured accurately, it didn't seem to matter. In any case, here is another NAO index link for you to ignore that shows the same NAO graph. This one is from a more scholarly source.

    http://jisao.washington.edu/data_sets/nao/

    As for using internet sources, that's all I have, because I'm, you know, on the internet. If you want me to go to the library, check out some books, scan them onto my computer, and reproduce them on this blog, you'll be in for a long wait. My main purpose was to introduce other factors into the melting Arctic ice phenomenon, not to pass myself off as a climatologist. Do you ever write to newspapers and complain when they don't mention the NAO, El Nino, or solar cycles in their global warming arguments ? Do you ever ask those newspapers to cite scholarly journals ? When the IPCC developed it's 1998 hockey stick graph, based upon all their scholarly data, did it ever bother you that it was wrong from the minute it came out ?

    terje says, "i wonder how othe abj would feel if they got a call from a lawyer saying that a study was posted on their server without a proper citation?"

    LOL !!! Now, that is funny. A lawyer. Oh, brother. Besides, I didn't post a STUDY. I posted some information. Get over yourself. Maybe next year I'll go tramping around the Arctic and do some measuring myself to do a proper study and make you happy. But don't hold your breath.

  • Da King

    Frye,
    Thanks for teaching me a new word – lysenkoism. I had to look it up.
    And I agree that the warmers often sound lysenkoist (but I can't cite any scholarly journals to back up this statement, so I apologize to terje).

  • larry d.

    It seems narcissistic terje because you argue that your "background in earth sciences" allows you to demand peer review sources in a debate that is occurring in a public forum. Someone with a "background in economics," "background in social work," "background in military history," "background in high school coaching," etc., etc., could claim the same thing.

  • FlatEarther

    A good presentation on "Climate Change" was produced by the non-partisan National Center for Policy Analysis. It's called a "Global Warming Primer" and can be downloaded from the following link:
    http://environment.ncpa.org/?q=global+warming+primer

    This primer should enlighten all with a modicum of common sense and rational thought. It cites all of its sources.

    As for the ubiquitous term used about the "science" of global warming – consensus – since when did science become "consensus" based???

    Science is the opposite of a "consensus". Science requires the PROOF of a theory through experimentation or other verifiable means. (Note that "simulations" based on vastly incomplete and inaccurate data, replete with numerous unverified assumptions, run on unproven computer models do not prove anything!)

    Those who are vaguely aware of human history will recall that a few hundred years ago, there was a consensus of "scientists" that "knew" the Earth was flat, as well as the center of the Universe! Anyone who disagreed was derided, marginalized, or worse – just like our modern scientists who don't buy into the anthropogenic global warming hypothesis.

    As for the Arctic polar cap melting, just how much do you think the average ocean levels will rise??? If you ignore the very minor contraction/expansion of seawater with temperature, NONE! The Arctic ice cap is floating, thus it displaces the equivalent of its weight of seawater in order to remain buoyant. If it were to melt, it would still weigh the same and thus take up the same amount of space whether fluid or ice. If you don't believe me, prove it to yourself – fill a glass almost to the rim with large ice cubes, add water right up to the rim till you can't add any more (the tops of some of the ice cubes should be above the rim now, just like icebergs or the polar ice cap), now go away and let them melt. The glass will not overflow. (There may be condensation that accumulates on the outside if you're in a humid environment, but this did not come out of the glass.)

    Please go educate yourself and your family and friends. Humans DO NOT cause "climate change". The hysteria and fear mongering are all part of the largest scam ever perpetrated upon the gullible human population by those who desire to be empowered and enriched at any cost.

    Read the primer. If all humans were to vanish today, and all factories and power plants ceased operations, the amount of global greenhouse gases being emitted would only decrease by 0.28%. Are all the $TRILLIONS required to reduce this insignificant fraction by 1/5 worth it? Would it make any measureable difference? NO.

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