Then it probably is Islamic terrorism.
Here's the evidence.
1) The American-born fundamentalist Muslim, Major Nidal Hasan, shouted "Allahu Akhbar" (God is great) as he opened fire on soldiers at Fort Hood, Texas, killing 13 and wounding 38. This is corroborated by several witnesses.
2) Hasan allegedly made internet postings sympathetic to Muslim suicide bombers, even calling such bombers herioic. These postings came to the attention of federal authorities six months ago, but were not pursued.
3) Hasan considered the war on terror to be a war against Islam, and considered himself to be a Muslim first and an American second.
4) Hasan gave a presentation on the Koran where he said the Koran commands infidels to be decapitated, burned, etc.
5) According to the London Telegraph, Hasan attended a mosque in Virginia in 2001 that was led by the radical imam Anwar Al-Awlaki. The mosque was attended by two of the 9/11 hijackers during the same period. Charles Allen, a former under-secretary for intelligence at the Department of Homeland Security, described al-Awlaki, who now lives in Yemen, as an "al-Qaeda supporter, and former spiritual leader to three of the September 11 hijackers… who targets US Muslims with radical online lectures encouraging terrorist attacks from his new home in Yemen".
6) Hasan gave away copies of the Koran to neighbors prior to his murderous shooting spree.
Got the picture yet ?
Hasan told relatives that he was horrified at the thought of going to Afghanistan later this year, and he was trying to get discharged from the Army.
With so many signs that this was an Islamic terrorist attack, the Lame Stream Media initially called it Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, even though Hasan had never been in combat (maybe they should have tried out Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder as a brand new condition). Or, as Chris Matthews of MSNBC said, "we may never know if religion was a factor at Fort Hood." I assume MSNBC is still considered a news network, per the White House definition. The Lames shied away from the word "terrorist," for some reason. If only Hasan had a copy of Glenn Beck's book on his nightstand, then the Lames probably would have figured out this was a terrorist act.
Let me issue the standard caveats here. Lord knows I don't want to be politically incorrect. Just because Major Nidal Hasan killed a bunch of people due to his religious beliefs doesn't mean that all Muslims are terrorists. The vast majority of us know this already, but certain political leaners with short left legs get very uncomfortable if we don't point it out every time there's a terrorist attack. There are a billion Muslims in the world, so obviously, only an infinitesimal percentage of them are terrorists. We should never condone any reprisals against Muslim people in general due to the actions of a few. That would be bigotry. It would be like hating the entire Catholic church due to a few pedophile priests, or hating the entire Tea Party movement because one or two protesters carried signs comparing Obama to Hilter. Only irrational folks like the Reverend at the Blog Of Mass Destruction do things like that.
Here we preach tolerance.
We also don't have a problem with calling something what it is, and what happened at Fort Hood was an act of religious-based terrorism. The biggest question we have to answer is why the military missed so many red flags with Nidal M. Hasan, especially after 9/11, when we started looking specifically for those exact red flags.
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This isn't the first time an Islamic lunatic has attacked U.S. soldiers on U.S. soil since Obama came to office, but the other fatal attack was never called terrorism, either. Obama can try to marginalize Fox all he wants, but as long as the other outlets keep telling us the sky is green and the grass is blue Fox's ratings will continue to increase.
So by your logic we can now classify scum like Timothy McVeigh, Eric Randolph, and Adolph Hitler as CHRISTIAN TERRORISTS??
Those silly facts….so awkward sometimes when one is trying to flagellate the weakminded.
LOL
Chris- Yes there are definitely Christian terrorists. Anytime someone believes that their interpretation of faith gives them the right to commit acts of violence, you get something like this. No religion or other belief system is immune from radical interpretations. As for your examples, I recall Hitler was of the Aryan persuasion and was fairly anti-religious. While he remained officially Catholic until his death, he was in no way active, nor did he use Catholicism to justify his personal beliefs. Nazism itself was fairly opposed to organized religion. McVeigh was anti-government and was correctly labeled a domestic terrorist; I never heard of him justifying what he did via any religious explanation. Eric Randolph was definitely a "Christian terrorist" in that he justified what he did by using Bible verses and his personal interpretations of them (same as here with Nidal Hasan or any terrorist) even though he said that the attacks weren't motivated by race or religion.
I didn't get the impression from reading this post that King was trying to say there is no such thing as a Christian terrorist. The issue here is the media avoiding calling Hasan an Islamic terrorist for the sake of being politically correct when we can be sure if he were a white, conservative male, things would be a lot different in the labeling department. Opening fire on unarmed people in a crowded area IS a form of terrorism and violence whether it is done by a Muslim, Jew, Christian, Atheist, Conservative, Liberal, etc. In this case, Hasan's Islamic religion clearly played a role in his thinking and justification. Call it like it is.
Why did they miss it? I can think of two reasons and neither has anything to do with being unaware of his strong beliefs. First to openly question this man's loyalty or suggest he might act on his opposition to the military's presence in the Mid-East as it was passed through the military chain could endanger the individual(s) that raised the concerns career. At some point the omnipresent military lawyers would review the case find their were no grounds to question his actions, raise posible discrimination issues, and recommend some action or at very least have the incident be part of the permanant record of the "offending parties". Secondly if this became a public issue it would be another example of an innocent Muslim being persecuted for merely for being against the wars. This would be wonderful fodder for the liberals, mainstream press and give CAIR another thing to lecture us on and file a lawsuit.
Were the Vir. Tech and Columbine events acts of terrorism?
"Osman Danquah, the co-founder of the Islamic Community of Greater Killeen, said Hasan never expressed anger toward the army or indicated any plans for violence.
But he said that, at their second meeting, Hasan seemed almost incoherent.
"I told him, 'There's something wrong with you'. I didn't get the feeling he was talking for himself, but something just didn't seem right."
He was sufficiently troubled that he recommended the centre reject Hasan's request to become a lay Muslim leader at Fort Hood."
And this….
"After he lost his parents he tried to replace their love by reading a lot of books, including the Koran," his uncle Rafiq Hamad said.
"He didn't have a girlfriend, he didn't dance, he didn't go to bars."
His failed search for a wife seemed to haunt Hasan. At the Muslim Community Centre in the Washington suburb of Silver Spring, he signed up for an Islamic matchmaking service, specifying that he wanted a bride who wore the hijab and prayed five times a day. "
It looks like this guy was coming unglued about several things in his life and was more mentally troubled than ideologically driven. He was a social misfit. I don't deny that Hasan was a devout Muslim who disagreed, as I and millions of others do, with the U.S. "war on terror." King's link says that there's nothing to report from Hasan's computer and the previous internet posting accusation is alleged….not proven. More information will become available. It's a terrible tragedy, much like Virginia Tech.
Timothy McVeigh was definitely a Christian terrorist then. And maybe since Hasan graduated from Virginia Tech and student Seung-Hui Cho also shot and killed 33 fellow students maybe Virginia Tech is a terrorists breeding ground ?
Now I wonder where are all the pro gun people are on this killing. After all it happened in Texas which allows gun owners to carry concealed weapons and on a military base so accordingly to them this shouldn't have happened. Maybe we need more guns – maybe everyone must be forced to wear their gun loaded around their waist pointing forward and be ready to shoot at all times.
Or maybe this proves more guns doesn't solve anything . And wackos come in all religions and races.
I'm not sure folks are allowed to wander around military bases with concealed weapons, Andrea. Did your neighbor who used to be a U.S. Army General tell you that?
American born terrorism, it is not a novelty, it is an increasingly part of our daily lives. Fortunately, most of these terrorist acts are found out about, and dealt with by the authorities, but only when abnormal behaviour and tendencies are reported.
That said, we have a growing problem, and PC policies are inhibiting Homeland securities efforts. After the fact of the Fort Hood tragedy, we see this knuckle head Yousef al-Khattab, on the streets of NYC, espousing his hatred of America, and praising/promoting the efforts of home grown terrorists. Fine, free speech, I get it…However, delving into the story, there are pictures of this individual, posing with weapons, i.e. machetes and automatic rifles (m-16 I believe). Now…where is the ATF?…Shouldn't they be investigating this terrorist to the hilt, and shut his ass down?…'nuff said.
Reverend,
You have supplied some evidence that Hasan was unbalanced. I take that as a given. I also take it as a given that suicide bombers/terrorists ARE unbalanced. Normal people don't go around strapping bombs to themselves or shooting large numbers of innocent people. They are propagandized, brainwashed, radicalized, etc. That doesn't remove the fact that Islamic extremism is what led Hasan to commit his terrorist act.
Trying to say Hasan killed all those people because his parents died (everybody's' parents die), or because he didn't have a girlfriend is very weak. I've supplied ample proof of his radical ideology. You are simply choosing to ignore it.
And to whom it may concern, I didn't say there was no such thing as a Christian terrorist. Eric Rudolph was motivated by his religious beliefs, though that wasn't McVeigh's driving concern, and whoever used Hitler as an example of Christian terrorism is out to lunch. Hitler didn't care about religion. He only used it as one of his many propaganda tools.
There is a group of radical thinking Islamic people walking around the streets of NYC . But what are you to do if all they do is talk. We allow radicals to talk , we allow Rush Limbaugh to spew hatred every day against liberals. And people on the right think it is funny. They think Ann Coulters vile words of hatred is hilarious . One day a person who is a little off his rocker will be motivated to act because of the hatred that is constantly fed to him. So either you stop all hate talk or you allow it. I dont have a army general living next door to me Larry D. My point is even in gun loving Texas a mascare can happen . Even on army base where you know there's got to be lots of guns. He was allowed to do it because he was allowed to have a gun. Having guns doesn't make you safe all it does is allow the wackos to own them . This totally disputes all the gun lovers thinking.
this from The Nation…..
"To that end, Mr. Prince intentionally deployed to Iraq certain men who shared his vision of Christian supremacy, knowing and wanting these men to take every available opportunity to murder Iraqis. Many of these men used call signs based on the Knights of the Templar, the warriors who fought the Crusades.
Mr. Prince operated his companies in a manner that encouraged and rewarded the destruction of Iraqi life. For example, Mr. Prince's executives would openly speak about going over to Iraq to "lay Hajiis out on cardboard." Going to Iraq to shoot and kill Iraqis was viewed as a sport or game. Mr. Prince's employees openly and consistently used racist and derogatory terms for Iraqis and other Arabs, such as "ragheads" or "hajiis."
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090817/scahill
I could understand where some would think the the U.S government was mounting an anti-Muslim Christian Crusade
King sez….."With so many signs that this was an Islamic terrorist attack, the Lame Stream Media initially called it Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, even though Hasan had never been in combat (maybe they should have tried out Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder as a brand new condition)."
King, you either can't read or you didn't read the Time's story. Nobody said Major Nidal Hasan had PTSD. What the Time's story said was…..
" Soldiers nursing the mental and emotional scars of war have overwhelmed the central Texas base, the Army's largest. Cases of post-traumatic stress disorder quadrupled from 2005 to 2007, and PTSD affects even those — like Hasan — who haven't gone off to war. "Mental-health issues are a real problem for the Fort Hood population," an Army study concluded last year. "Soldiers don't live in a vacuum," it added, noting that they have "families and friends who are also affected by the trauma the soldiers experience."
Hasan had spent six years dealing with the mental wreckage of war at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington and, since July, at Fort Hood's Darnall Army Medical Center."
Hasan was a a psychiatrist. He delt with people with PTSD. PTSD affected Hasan (and who wouldn't be affected after dealing with people who had it 24/7 for 6 years?). That certainly doesn't mean he had PTSD
from the Time's story……"…..crystallized when he received orders for his first combat deployment. "We've known for the last five years that that was probably his worst nightmare," Nader Hasan, a cousin, told Fox News. "He would tell us how he hears horrific things … that was probably affecting him psychologically." You have to wonder how many stories he heard from those soldiers that suffered from PTSD about the murder of innocent Iraqis out of sheer hatred.
also from the Time's story….."More broadly, an Army study released in July found that major crimes have been on the rise at U.S. Army bases since 2003. It noted that crime rates — and mental illnesses — are rising with increased deployments and casualties."
these major crimes….are they the work of terrorists?
this to angry…….."Authorities took note six months ago when someone with Hasan's name posted messages on the Internet likening suicide bombers to soldiers who protect their buddies by diving atop a live grenade, although no formal inquiry was launched."
now instead of one lawsuit the American taxpayer will have to deal with 31
make that 51
It is against the law to carry a concealed weapon on a military base. Period. Even soldiers aren't allowed to carry weapons unless they are actively training with them, except MP's. Anti-gun laws would not have prevented this from happening because Nidal was BREAKING THE LAW, killing law-abiding citizens. That is the thing I don't understand in the gun debate. Anti-gun-law supporters assume everyone is following the law. Laws don't matter to criminals. Make all the laws you want, all you do is leave law-abiding citizens defenseless against criminals, who don't care to follow the law.
this from the WSJ…….
NOVEMBER 3, 2009
Suicide Toll Fuels Worry That Army Is Strained
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125720469173424023.html
Walter, do you read anything other than left leaning, and I mean left leaning, sources? Oh yeah, you had a bit from WSJ. However The Nation has been anti-American since the first time I read an issue of it in 1952 and we all know the al Times of New York is the bible of the left in the US. I do wish you could read something not so left leaning, and if you can't, keep the crap to yourself.
I read King because I have been doing so for over 5 years but I am rapidly tiring of your left leaning quoted information. I guess that makes me a right leaner. I can assure you that that is not because my right leg is the short one as yours seems to be.
roybot sez…."….Times of New York is the bible of the left in the US." Actually the Time's story I was talking about was a link King supplied
from libertarian website antiwar.com…….
Who Will Be Sent to Afghanistan?
by Dahr Jamail, Sarah Lazare, and Tom Engelhardt, November 09, 2009
Where Will They Get the Troops? Preparing undeployables for the Afghan front
by Dahr Jamail and Sarah Lazare
http://original.antiwar.com/engelhardt/2009/11/08/who-will-be-sent-to-afghanistan/
gotta wonder JUST what is going on in the Army
Ignoring this, fluffing off it as another act of random violence and not addressing the core problem we apparently are having is like saying al'kaid only knocked down a couple of buildings in NYC in 2001.
It's hard for me to fathom that there are people actually making excuses for this guy. While you're making excuses did you know that al'kaida and the mosque this terrorist attended are heralding him as a hero and actually cheered for him.
Unbelievable…..
Napolitano says Homeland Security is working on squelching any possible anti-Muslim backlash to this attack, averagejoe. What more could you ask of them?
THE PROPER PROCEDURE FOR DEALING WITH SUPPOSED ISLAMIC TERRORISM
1. if the person(s) are exposed before an act of violece is perpetrated label them as incompetent,harmless boobs therefore negating any connection to islamic terrorism
2. if the person(s) are successful in commiting violent actions label them as insane.
3.if that doesnt fly argue that islamic terrorism is merely the stated motivation when actually this is only justification for the root causes. the root causes are the product of capitalism,militarism and oppression. Therefore the perps are also victims.
4. once this is understood the actions and perpetrators can be quietly forgotten while we move to the next phase:
5. Blame assesment: it is important to discover who in the government is responsible for letting this tragedy occur.
6. educate the public to the fact that those that claim that islamic terrorism is a real and growing problem are really pushing this agenda for mere politcal gain and this line of reasoning can only lead to the discrimination of innocent people . This discrimintion will then result in the very actions they say they want to prevent.
Terrorism, by definition, if there is a definition, is an attack on civilians in order to terrorize all civilians. Isn't that right?
Then what Hasan did wasn't exactly an act of terrorism.
Conservatives will insist that this was clearly a terrorist attack, just like 9-11, or whatever….because Hasan is Muslim. That's the only reason. Only Muslims who commit horrible acts of violence are considered terrorists, no matter that Hasan killed Army members and not civilians.
And this…
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2009/11/09/terrorism/index.html
Please tell me this is a joke. Rev are you kiddin? Why are you Libs making excuses to get around the truth. These are the same types of irrational lies that plagued the Bush administration and ruined the character of Sarah Palin. To me this just proves that the libs are just full of it. They hate America and are apparently alergic to the truth. You are sticking up for a terrorist that has ties to al'kaida, that killed innocent Amerian service men and women. ABCnews reports said that he was being investigated for trying to contact Al'Kaida operatives just 6 months ago. Why didn't Obama and his advisors know about this? Someone needs to be held responsible for this. Now we have 19 dead soldiers and 23 injured. Do we add this to the number killed in Obama's Afghanistan war?
Now that we have established by linguistic gymnastics that there was no terrorism lets eliminate any connection between Muslim s and violent acts in the name of Allah In Britian they have evolved to the position that no antisocial act is in accordance with the faith therefore an act of violence is really an anti-Muslim act. Accepting the fact that Islam is the religion of love we must redifine the term. How about "man made disasters".
Dear Below, please take a spelling class offered at a local elementary school!
I posted this before up thread…….."also from the Time's story….."More broadly, an Army study released in July found that major crimes have been on the rise at U.S. Army bases since 2003. It noted that crime rates — and mental illnesses — are rising with increased deployments and casualties."
these major crimes….are they the work of terrorists?"
or are they classified as terrorism ONLY when there is a Muslim involved?
Thanks for the advice TBomb. I'll take that into consideration. I wanted to personally thank you for adding so much wisdom to these conversations.
Walt, when the muslim kills 20 people and injures 23 and shouts the gihadist war cry, after already being under investigation for acts related to attempted contact with a group that has declared war on the US, I think we should be a little concerned, don't you? Or do you need more proof even though it may "walk and quack like a duck," it may still be a chicken.
Keep defending him Walt.
Walt – I agree, there is no doubt that there is an increase in divorce, adultery and spousal abuse because of repeated deployments. However how many murders have their been? Most of the problems are domestic, relational strains.
This fellow never deployed from what I understand, walt. But I am wondering if all these depressed/mentally injured soldiers are giving the jihadist yell as they commit their major crimes.
*sigh* I can't read every single mindlessly liberal post in this one. Sorry, folks. I'm very surprised that Rev. Wright doesn't know the definition of terrorism. Terrorism, simply stated, is the use of violence or the threat of violence to get your way, whatever your way might be. Terrorists come in all shapes and sizes. The Christian Crusaders, French Revolutionists, Weather Underground… all used violence in attempts to achieve their goals.
The nut who pulled the Fort Hood attack was never deployed in a war, and I've never seen any hard evidence that he was or was going to be. Only people making assumptions, and we all know that those are worthless.
I think it's absolutely stupid to regard every Muslim as a potential terrorist, but to turn a blind eye to obvious signals that someone is about to go postal is just as nuts. I think it should be investigated whether warning signs weren't investigated because of political correctness. Thirteen people are dead. We shouldn't let political correctness keep us from investigating ways we can prevent such an occurrence in the future.
I knew it was a matter of time before someone blamed Obama for Ft. Hood. Average Joe, Palin never had character to begin with. And Obama`s war in Afghanistan? You`re kidding right? Democrats hate America? You`re kidding right? Right? Please say yes! Pleeeze?
Tory Bug,
Thank you for making so much sense. As I was reading The Rev's questions about the "definition" of terrorism I was thinking the exact words that you wrote….using violence (terror) against any given population (in this case, Army personnel) to make a point or achieve an end. The only people assuming things about how others define terrorism are those who want to accuse others of being racist or of profiling a particular group.
I'm reading The Rev's comments and Walter's comments saying that if anyone thinks the Ft. Hood shooting is an act of terrorism, the only possible reason anyone would think such a thing is because Nidal is a Muslim. All due respect, gentlemen, but you are wrong. I think it was an act of terrorism, because the perpetrator used violence to make his point and instill terror in the general population. Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist and he wasn't a Muslim. Would you call the Oklahoma City bombing an act of terrorism? Doesn't need to have a religious angle to fit the terrorist definition.
Fred it's not so much that Dems hate America, they just want to bitch about everything America stands for and has to offer. They automatically take the opposite side of what is obvious. They listen without discernment to their leaders explainations and take it as gospel. Deep inside you all know this is a terror attack.
As far as this being Obama'a war in Afghanistan, he is the president right? It is now his war and he is afraid to lead, beause he has no leadership experieince. He may be sending people to their deaths, imagine that pressure? However if he doesn't send in more troops the ones that are there are going to be annihilated. Now the war is on our own home soil and what is he doing? His people are explaining away the obvious so that no one has to take the blame for why this guy was even allowed to be in the military. Some of this could be Bushes fault also,this terrorist didn't recently join the army, he's been there for a while. The problem, terrorists may have infiltrated our military and the govt let them all for the sake of political correctness. During WWII did we let the japanese join our army? Some body dropped the ball and let this guy stay in his position even though they knew he had tried to contact Al'Kaida operatives. This is a leadership flaw, who is the commander in chief?
How do you know if Palin had character? You believed all of the lies they told you about her from the start. She had to have something to go from PTA president to Governor and VP candidate.
tory sez…."Terrorism, simply stated, is the use of violence or the threat of violence to get your way, whatever your way might be. Terrorists come in all shapes and sizes. The Christian Crusaders, French Revolutionists, Weather Underground… all used violence in attempts to achieve their goals."
if that's your definition then the U.S. Army would lead the pack in terrorism. So now we got terrorists killing terrorists.
joe…….I'm not defending him. I just agree with tory…..the guy went postal.
this from Antiwar.com……. "Where Will They Get the Troops?'……."At one point, despite a confidentiality protocol that should have prevented it, Wildman’s commanders went through his medical evaluations and found out that he had been involved in the accidental killing of two little girls in Iraq. They proceeded to needle him by threatening to write him up for war crimes. "
In the 6 years that he worked counseling soldiers with PTSD, I wonder how many stories he heard about "accidental" killings of women and children. Probably some of these soldiers even bragged about it. I would think that even a non-believer would feel outrage and anger. I couldn't do it.
let's say Hasan was al quada. Just as American soldiers are tasked with killing al quada so are al quada soldiers tasked with killing American soldiers. Certainly for those of you that are completely detached from the reality of war this must seem truly shocking.
joe sez……."However how many murders have their been? Most of the problems are domestic, relational strains."
if the report had said domestic violence I would agree with you but according to the story the report said serious crimes.
how many murders have there been?…..we can't even get a straight answer out of the Army how Pat Tillman died you think they are going to tell us about murders? For all we know Army Ranger Pat Tillman could have been fragged
how about the WSJ article about suicides……that doesn't raise any red flags for you?
anybody remember My Lai? How about Haditha? Probably not.
from tomdispatch……
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/88850/the_real_meaning_of_haditha
Hasan waged a jihadist attack, walt. Deal with it.
King – I don't understand why they want to protect our enemies and endanger our citizens. If it was one of their family members killed would they want to protect them so much? (Of course they would because they would rather their family members die than use advanced interrogation tactics.) Why the excuses to protect his reputation? Denial not only ridiulous but denial is dangerous, it means that a problem is not being addressed. I may think of him as just a shooter if he wasn't screaming Al ' akbhar when he was killing everyone. Or talking to members of al'Kaida on the internet. (He probably didn't have the nerve to be a suicide bomber but he could at least shoot some guys.)
From a previous post, why was this guy called a terrorist when it wasn't religion motivated, the guy was tired of the holocaust of American children. "Scott Roeder, the domestic terrorist, after years of domestic terrorist activity, pre-meditatively stalked, then assassinated Dr. Tiller in Kansas, all for political reasons". This was a one time killing not associated with our enemies that conspired and killed 4000 people on our own soil and have declared war against us. It makes no sense…does it?
It is "the sky is green," averagejoe, and it is creepy that so many Americans are so emotionally invested in insisting it's true.
Amen.
this from the Washington Post…….
Fort Hood suspect warned of threats within the ranks
By Dana Priest, Washington Post, November 10, 2009
The Army psychiatrist believed to have killed 13 people at Fort Hood warned a roomful of senior Army physicians a year and a half ago that to avoid “adverse events,” the military should allow Muslim soldiers to be released as conscientious objectors instead of fighting in wars against other Muslims.
As a senior-year psychiatric resident at Walter Reed Army Medical Center, Maj. Nidal M. Hasan was supposed to make a presentation on a medical topic of his choosing as a culminating exercise of the residency program.
Instead, in late June 2007, he stood before his supervisors and about 25 other mental health staff members and lectured on Islam, suicide bombers and threats the military could encounter from Muslims conflicted about fighting in the Muslim countries of Iraq and Afghanistan, according to a copy of the presentation obtained by The Washington Post.
doesn't sound like a jihadist to me……..sounds like someone who understood the conflict of Muslims killing Muslims (just as I would think Christian killing Christian would create conflict for Christians). Christian killing Christian might not be the best example.
He was conflicted, he was angry, he was frustrated………he went postal
joe, you might have a masters degree but you suck in the area of critical thinking skills. To most 2+2=4. To you 2+2 = anything King and his fellow republican Christianista rodeo ass clowns say it is
from the story…….."The Army psychiatrist believed to have killed 13 people at Fort Hood warned a roomful of senior Army physicians……"
Q: you know how to drive a roomful of senior Army physicians crazy?
A: put them in a round room and tell them there's a bucket of shit in the corner
this from CounterPunch…….
"For another clue, we might want to consider a soldier who was also a psychology major, fluent in Arabic, whose career ended in violence, Alyssa Peterson.
Peterson, a U.S. Army Specialist, received her Arabic language certification, and served with the 101st Airborne in Iraq. She was an enlistee, a career intelligence officer, whose concentration was interrogation techniques. She found herself part of black ops, expected to participate in a clandestine operation in what we now know to have been so-called "alternative enhanced interrogation techniques" which she refused to do.
While the Army has denied it, sources close to Peterson say she was so deeply despondent about what she witnessed at the detention camp in Iraq that, on September 15, 2003, she was found with a bullet wound to her head, a victim of what the Army euphemistically called "non-hostile weapon discharge."
Like Hassan, Peterson was deeply religious. She was a member of the Church of Jesus Christ Latter-Day saints. Within days of taking her life, she was placed on suicide watch after refusing to participate in interrogation sessions at the airbase on the Syrian-Iraqi border, interrogations which she believed involved the torture of Iraqi prisoners."
a Christian outraged about torturing and murdering Muslims? Now that's straight up bullshit. But then the Church of Jesus Christ Latter-Day Saints isn't a Christian Church.
you know what suicide watch in the Army is? They give you your sidearm but with only 1 bullet in it
The excuse machine is operating in high gear.
I'm not sure walt would be defending the murder of Americans by Islamic radicals a year and a half ago. It brings Obama's "I will stand with the Muslims" statement to mind, as well as Wright's "chickens come home to roost."
"No, no," we were told. "You're taking such statements out of context, that's not how Obama thinks. Pay no mind to the weird neo-Soviet style propaganda art or the unsettling cult of personality."
King, I'm starting to agree with the libs on this one. Ya know the guy did have a hard row to hoe. He was probably lonely. He described himself as a person torn between his religious principles and his duty. You know another victim of to much freedom. I can understand how when the guys in his troop may have called him towel head or something like that it may have upset him. I don't believe they woould do that for fear of disciplinary action but hey ya know sometimes the guys are whispering in the corner. It always happens to me, YES PEOPLE I HEAR THE BALD FAT COMMENTS. And sometimes when my friends and employees come and tell me about their problems it makes me either want to jump off the Y-bridge or just go postal and lash out at the world. Ya know the guy made a mistake King. He just got so pissed off that he decided to get a gun and shoot 50 people, killing 13 of them. He had no one to talk to. He went to his spiritual leader, he was no help. Probably told him to just act out his emotions. He tried to reach out to a group of his own kind. AlKaida may have declared war on the US and wants America destroyed but hey do you think all of their members are criminals? They apparently were no help. So the final straw must have been that he at least wanted his god to be proud of him so he decided to shoot all those sinners, he must have done it for his god because his was yelling allah akbar as he was gunning them down. He made a mistake, a lonely pitiful victim of americana. His mom was probably a bitch when he was little. She wouldn't get him that toy Ayatolla Khomeni doll for Christmas that he wanted, so he turned to religion as his father. Maybe things would have worked out if she had bought him that toy. Can't you understand, can't you give him a break…..can't you at least be nice and show him som compassion.
Is that better Walt?
This from Walt.."but you suck in the area of critical thinking skills. To most 2+2=4. To you 2+2 = anything King and his fellow republican Christianista rodeo ass clowns say it is"
2 things: I never bring up my religion in my thoughts and I never cut and paste other peoples articles and waste space on Kings page. I also never mentioned the rodeo and I am afraid of clowns especially ass clowns. One scared me so bad when I was little that I came home from the circus and shot out all of our neighbors barn windows with my bb gun. I tried to tell my dad as he was beating my ass that I was a victim of "clown scare syndrome" and I kept seeing the clowns in the window reflections so I had to shoot them. He explained that the relection was mine and that's why he was beating my ass. All that hell just for being a dumbass clown kid that shot out some windows just to find out it really was my fault. I had to replace the windows and paint the barn…for free. If only I would have had someone guide me and explain that shooting out other peoples windows was bad.
By the way do you think the guy that killed, raped and burried those girls in his basement was another victim of our society that made a mistake? I do! Probably the white man holding a brother down so he thought he would kill and bury some of the local girls that wouldn't show him any attention. I like this kind of thinking. If I make excuses for everyone and no one has to take responsibility for their actions………
King you oughta try this…it's freeing!
joe,
Once in a while I write satirical posts from the lefty viewpoint. It is freeing. I just throw reason and facts out the window and wing it. It involves the use of phrases like "Christianista republican rodeo ass clown" as a substitute for rational discourse.
Julie said this…
"All due respect, gentlemen, but you are wrong. I think it was an act of terrorism, because the perpetrator used violence to make his point and instill terror in the general population. "
That broad definition would make every domestic act of violence a terrorist attack. That's just silly….with all due respect.
Please conservatives…..think. No one is "excusing" Hasan. Show me one statement "excusing" Hasan. What we are doing is pointing out the hysterical nature of ignorant knee jerkers quick to condemn Obama or Muslims…for virtually anything.
King, with his eagerness to pronounce a final terrorist verdict, is not helpful. What Americans should be reviewing is the completely phony "war on terrorism" meme. I mean, crikey….how shallow are American conservatives?
"That broad definition would make every domestic act of violence a terrorist attack. "
So when a guy slaps his wife because she burned the pot roast, he's trying to instill terror in the general population? If you're going to continue to try and defend the murder of Americans and promote Islamofascism, you'll need to do better than that, Reverend.
joe, here's a story about Sgt. John Russel…..don't remember him? Didn't think you would
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/the-deadly-treatment-of-sergeant-john-m-russell-1686158.html