First of all, I'm a proponent of border enforcement, deportations, and cutting off non-residents from any taxpayer-funded perks. My beef is that both parties are selling out America for their own political leverage. Illegal=Illegal and not "undocumented" as my politically-correct comrades on the left prefer. Lastly, my posts have been consistently conservative and yet you perceive me to be a left-wing idiot??? Nothing could be further from reality. It may be beneficial to read a post and fully understand it's content before shooting from the hip as liberal hippees are accustomed to.

frank: you speak like a true marxist historical revisionist, who likes to twist the historical facts in a way that makes Presidents like Reagan look like the bad guys, when it was people like him who had to fix the screw-ups and amti-American policies of the left. But keep it up, moron. You're a great example of what's wrong with America today.

Alex D.: when conservatives speak about illegal "immigrants", they're talking about the law….US law….something that left-wing idiots like you have such disdain for. I'll bet you couldn't define "illegal" for me if you took a month to do it.

Alexander speaks words of wisdom.

Funny how everyone finds common ground. LOL
This whole immigration reform is a mess. Federal agents, local law enforcement, and ICE have their hands tied by the bureacrats for political purposes. Both parties have disgraced this country and talk radio "slugs" are the only ones who had this right. People have come here illegally, reside here illegally, work here illegally, and somehow both political parties seem to ignore this as they attempt to reinforce their voter bases. Democrats are pushing harder, as they proclaim to be the champion for minorities, but republicans such as McCain and Graham are disgraceful. This is one of the sad gimmicks embedded in the socialized medicine push………..the prez says they won't be covered……………la raza insists they must…………and every amendment strictly prohibiting such has been defeated along party lines. Bottom line is we're being lied to and sold down the river. I have no compassion for those who have violated our borders, regardless of circumstance. If one enters this country on an illegal tone, how will they conduct their lengthy stay? I'm a product of 2 legal immigrants who cherished the process and knew it meant something. Can't say that anymore.
Until these Washington slugs remove their velvet gloves on the immigration issue and show some backbone, the legal citizens of this country lose the most.

Alexander speaks words of wisdom.

Then the GOP must be prepared for the consequences, should they continue down the road of selling out their constituents and plugging in candidates which hardly differ from their opponents. I'm prepared to watch the GOP collapse, as the population will always seek an alternative. I think the GOP will come around, but possibly too late for itself. The money is going elsewhere now and this poses a threat to it's status quo.

We really do need a reincarnation of the Whigs – or something. The further you go to the left or right the less you see of rational thinking and the more you see of emotional responses.

Obama's approval rating is slipping. In a few years people will get tired of his commissars and react by voting republican; not because they like the GOP but to show the democrats how out of touch THEY are. The GOP will claim a mandate from the people and proceed to show how out of touch THEY are. Both sides will accuse one another or dirty politics.

And THAT destroys the credibility of whatever silent majority you might be referring to.

"excesses of the liberal agenda"

What? Passing health care reform? The country wants health care reform. Prevent an economic collapse? The country wanted to prevent economic collapse. Get out of Iraq? The nation wanted us to get out of Iraq. Going after the 9-11 enemy in Af-Pak? The country wanted us to go after the 9-11 guys. Don't ask, don't tell? The people want it ended.

I mean…..What excesses?

I actually agree with the Reverend about something for once. A third major (conservative) party that would split the vote with the Republicans would be a gift to the Democrats in the short term. That's why I proposed replacing the Republicans, though that's pretty much a pipe dream. It will take a long time to marginalize that party (though they are doing a fair job of it themselves).

I agree completely with Alexander. The GOP isn't really conservative, especially in the ways that are important to me (fiscally). Today's GOP is what I call pretend conservatives. They talk conservative most of the time, but they don't govern that way. Bush is the shining example of that. Conservatives are disheartened with the GOP. That explains the big polling gap between those who call themselves conservatives (40%) and those who call themselves Republicans (26-32%). Btw, only 21% call themselves liberals. Contrary to the Rev's belefs, conservatives are the single biggest ideological group in America, outnumbering liberals almost 2 to 1. This also explains why Fox News has three times the viewership of MSNBC.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/conservatives-single-largest-ideological-group.aspx

And as everybody seems to agree, both major parties represent only their special interests, rather than the interests of the people. You'll get no argument from me there. That's a huge problem.

The truth is that Republicans haven't espoused conservative principles since Goldwater. Clinton and his Democratic Leadership Council, which still dominates the party, betrayed liberalism. For the Republicans to embrace conservatism they would have to repudiate much of their past and nearly all of their present. They would have to denounce Reagan and Bush for their deficit spending. Ditto for Reagan's ex officio meddling in the Iran hostage affair, the illegal Iran-Contra arms sales, war in Grenada, etc. Same for Bush's illegal war in Iraq, his unitary executive actions, torture, violations of international treaties and Constitutionally guaranteed civil liberties, etc.

Until we demand that the corporate entities which lease our TV and radio airwaves provide equitable air time for all candidates and until we eliminate money from our electoral process, we are doomed to choose between political hacks. A principled statesman cannot survive in our present political environment. Follow the money.

This is a legitimate question….

"They continue with their rantings of how the GOP has gone too far right, but if that's the case…………..how is it possible for the McCains and GWB's to emerge as the leaders???"

And I have an answer. The Tea Party type conservatives, even coupled with the evangelicals, still do not make up a majority. The RNC knows that. Can't win with a radical right messenger. Bush and McCain were the RNC's decision to broaden the potential voter base. One victory, not without controversy…and one loss, going with the RNC's plan.

" If the GOP refuses to embrace the conservative revolution, it's time to unleash these mercenaries as independents."

That's all cool with me….but I must point out, I'm not seeing any signs of a conservative revolution. Not really. There's a lot of babble…no doubt. But there's no new message and there's no new messenger. I think a third party would be disastrous for conservatives, so, the GOP needs to reform itself. And honestly, I don't see that happening.

Democrats will become the primary corporate whores for awhile.

If Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, and others are so irrelevant…………………..why are many trying like hell to silence them? Michael Steele spoke a big game in restructuring the GOP, but it appears that he will be content playing the game and placing an emphasis on merely filling a seat. If Hoffman can pull off a win in NY 23rd, this will become the biggest headache Michael Steele or Nancy Pelosi could envision and it will kill 2 birds with one stone. If the GOP refuses to embrace the conservative revolution, it's time to unleash these mercenaries as independents. JFK and Goldwater would both vomit if they could witness what has befallen their respective parties.

If I'm not mistaken…..you are for even more radically conservative congressional representatives.

Republicans are down to one or two moderates in the Senate and maybe one in the House and you are calling for the elimination of those few…plus replacing already-conservative members with even more radically conservative people.

Am I mistaken? Did I understand you correctly?

I'll use Obamanator as my example. He won 70% of the gay vote (pandering) but homosexuals are increasingly disappointed with his lack of action on the subject. http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-10-11/dont-ask-dont-tell-makes-america-unsafe/ He pandered one the illegal immigration thing, but has he taken any action on providing illegals a path to citizenship, as he promised? Nah, he keeps saying that's for later. Things haven't really changed on that front, as far as I can tell. http://www.racewire.org/archives/2009/03/immigrant_adovcates_want_actio.html

I'm not picking only on Obama. He's just an example that doesn't really require thought on my part. Check out Pelosi's victory speech in 2006 for more example of promises not kept. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385×4722 And I never saw a line item veto pushed into action, a guest worker program or any action on health care from former President G.W. Bush, lest anyone think I'm being overly partisan here.

Politicians today see politics as the game of saying the right thing to get elected, having the right message, but it's all just words. You never know what you're really getting until after the election, and then you have to deal with disappointment until you get the opportunity to have someone else disappoint you.