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Self-Interest And Health Care Incentives

by Da King on October 14, 2009

in Uncategorized, health care, taxes

People always act in their own financial self-interest. Ditto for organizations. For instance, let's say you have a choice between two competing health care plans with the same coverage. Company A offers the plan for $200 per month, and Company B offers the plan for $400 per month. It's pretty obvious you'd choose Company A, and Company B wouldn't make any sales. Organizations act in exactly the same way. When the Senate Finance Committee passed a health care reform bill that taxes medical devices at a rate of $39 billion over 10 years (raising the cost of health care), lobbyists for the medical industry descend on Washington D.C. to fight for their self-interest, against those taxes. When the Senate health care bill imposes a $6.1 billion fee on health insurers (raising the cost of health care), lobbyists for the insurance companies descend on Washington D.C. to fight for their self-interest, against those taxes. When the Senate health care bill imposes 40% taxes on so-called "Cadillac" health care insurance plans, the lobbyists for the unions descend on Washington D.C. to fight for their self-interest, against those taxes. When the Senate Health Care bill cuts $100 billion from Medicare Advantage programs (lowering the cost and quality of health care), lobbyists for the insurers who provide those plans descend on Washington D.C. When the Senate Finance health care bill has a provision to create a commission to oversee cuts in Medicare (lowering the cost and quality of health care), lobbyists for doctors descend on Washington D.C. to complain that their Medicare reimbursement rates are being cut.

This is one of the difficulties in passing something as large as health care reform. We have an array of varied business concerns all bargaining in their own self-interest. They all agree somebody must be taxed, they just don't want it to be them. You can't blame any of them, really. They are just looking out for their own financial well-being.

There is another organization that I believe is looking out for it's self-interest in the health care debate as well, but nobody talks about it. It's a very large organization known as the federal government. In my last post, I wrote about how the government is so deeply in debt that it will ultimately destroy the American economy. The government is fully aware of this, though they seldom mention it, and seldom seem to prioritize it unless it's around election time, after which they forget all about it, and continue merrily spending us into oblivion. The government, like every other self-interested concern, doesn't want to cut the size of government. They don't want to rein themselves in by cutting government spending. They want to increase government spending, and boy, do they. That's what a big portion of Obama's stimulus package was for, to keep the government from having to make the painful cuts that every other business concern in the country had to make during this recession. Government is the one organization that has actually grown during the recession. When the government says things would have been even worse without the stimulus package, this is mostly what they mean. The stimulus package was largely a bailout of government, unpaid for and added to the national debt. The taxpayers will have to make up that money at some unspecified future point.

This leads me to the health care reform bill(s), and the incentives included therein. Health care reform started out as a moral mandate to achieve universal health care coverage, but that goal has been abandoned. Instead, we have a mandate from the government that employers and individuals must purchase health care insurance or pay a penalty (tax) to the government. President Obama continues to say that nobody will be "required" to change their health insurance if they like it. The word "required" is key. The President is correct, nobody will be required to change their health insurance, but what will they be incentivized to do ? In other words, what will be the response of employers and individuals according to their own self-interest ? To understand that, all we have to do is look at the size of the penalty tax versus the cost of health insurance. It's also vitally important to keep in mind the reason everybody doesn't have health insurance now. It's because THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT, or they just choose not to buy it. Here's how Business Week describes the individual penalties:

In the bill approved by the Senate Finance Committee on Oct. 13, there are no fines at all the first year it goes into effect, in 2013. In 2014 individuals would have to shell out $200 in annual penalties if they choose to forgo insurance, and by 2017, the number jumps to $750. That's starting to sound like a meaningful sum. But consider that the average yearly insurance premium for an individual policy is around $5,000. For just a few hundred dollars during the first years the law is in place, a healthy person might decide to forgo the costly security of insurance

Paying a fine of $200-$750 to the government, as opposed to shelling out $5,000 in health care insurance premiums seems to incentivize many people to just pay the far smaller amount to the government. Good for the government, because it raises their revenues, but not so good if universal health care is really the goal. I'm against the whole idea of government forcing people in the first place, but if they are forcing people, shouldn't they at least force them in the right direction, instead of setting up a system that incentivizes people to just pay more in taxes ?

The incentives for employers are even worse. The Senate Finance health reform bill would require employers with 50 or more employees to cover their employees or pay a fine of up to $400 per employee. That's far less than the actual cost of health care insurance, so employers would be incentivized to drop health insurance coverage for their employees altogether and just pay the penalty tax instead. That would be in the employers self-interest, and again, the government cashes in with more tax revenue. Then all those uncovered employees are required to buy their own insurance or pay the individual penalty, and the government cashes in one more time.

In conclusion, I ask, who is the government really looking out for – you, or itself ?

{ 24 comments… read them below or add one }

angry conserv October 14, 2009 at 4:33 pm

It is time that we send you send you to the progressive school of higher learning.
1. if it sounds good –feel good and dont clutter your mind with facts or consequences.
2.It is a given that our leaders are dedicated to doing what is best for the people and the more we allow the government be in charge the better it will be for all of us.
There are many more givens but if you can just understand these two principles the rest will fall into place.

The Reverend October 14, 2009 at 5:11 pm

First..the Senate Finance piece of garbage is not the final bill.

Second…if the fines were raised, something the insurance companies wanted, then conservatives would argue the higher fees were part of a wider scandal of Democrats bent on enriching themselves on the backs of real Amuricans. So, whattya do?

Da King October 14, 2009 at 5:37 pm

Rev, I thought the idea was to force folks to buy health insurance.

Da King October 14, 2009 at 5:38 pm

angryc,
As in, "I Love Big Brother" ? :-)

I suppose I could try it, but I might need some electroshock therapy first.

walter October 14, 2009 at 6:12 pm
walter October 14, 2009 at 6:18 pm

Ralph Nader and Counterpunch…….

Less Than One in Ten Malpractice Cases Results in a Legal Claim for Compensation
The CBO's Flawed Report on Medical Malpractice

http://www.counterpunch.org/nader10142009.html

walter October 14, 2009 at 7:59 pm

Democratic Party Pratfalls
Selling Out, But Still Getting Screwed
By DAVE LINDORFF

"Finally, in a move as breathtakingly accommodating of the insurance industry as was the multi-trillion-dollar bailout financial bailout of Wall Street’s biggest banks, they proposed to require (on pain of a $3800 fine by the IRS) to require everyone in America to buy a health insurance plan from the private sector—a gift to the industry of some 40-50- million new unwilling customers.

But a combination of public outrage at this forced program of insurance and recognition that the inevitable government subsidy of low-income insurance buyers would be humongous has led Congress to backtrack, and start backing away from the mandatory aspect of this plan.

And now the private insurance industry, not satisfied that it has managed to practically dictate the terms of the health reform legislation so fare, and angry that it might not get those 40-50 million new forced customers, is reportedly threatening to turn around and knife the president and the Democratic Congress in the back."

http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff10132009.html

averagejoe5 October 14, 2009 at 9:17 pm

They won't knife them Walt. That is smoke and mirrors. They have to resist a little bit so that they won't look like the lying whores they and their bed fellow democrats really are. It's like going out with a promiscuious woman on a first date. You know something's gonna happen she just doesn't want you to tell your friends how easy she was, just a little resistance that's all.

Has anyone noticed how the dollar is crashing? The DOW is smoke and mirrors as is the price and value of gold and the S&P as well as most economic indicators. All to make Obama look good. Watch CNBC and Bloomberg and see what the executives(not the host, they are full of sh*t) of our remaining enterprises are saying. AIG sure is thanking him and us the American taxpayers. Sorry a little of the subject, but this whole thing is a big facade. Our economy is just as bad if not worse now than it was a year ago and they are doing nothing to stop it. Healthcare and Cap and Trade will make us Europe all over again. Let's keep printing money to pay for a healthcare promise that isn't even written yet. Next up, inflation and about 5 million more jobs lost over the next year.

averagejoe5 October 14, 2009 at 9:17 pm

They won't knife them Walt. That is smoke and mirrors. They have to resist a little bit so that they won't look like the lying whores they and their bed fellow democrats really are. It's like going out with a promiscuious woman on a first date. You know something's gonna happen she just doesn't want you to tell your friends how easy she was, just a little resistance that's all.

Has anyone noticed how the dollar is crashing? The DOW is smoke and mirrors as is the price and value of gold and the S&P as well as most economic indicators. All to make Obama look good. Watch CNBC and Bloomberg and see what the executives(not the host, they are full of sh*t) of our remaining enterprises are saying. AIG sure is thanking him and us the American taxpayers. Sorry a little of the subject, but this whole thing is a big facade. Our economy is just as bad if not worse now than it was a year ago and they are doing nothing to stop it. Healthcare and Cap and Trade will make us Europe all over again. Let's keep printing money to pay for a healthcare promise that isn't even written yet. Next up, inflation and about 5 million more jobs lost over the next year.

walter October 15, 2009 at 4:44 am

joe…..you got my money?

walter October 15, 2009 at 4:48 am

joe, so what are you saying…….that Americans are being fleeced by big corporations and the government is doing the heavy lifting for them?

I would have thought that that was a good thing

Da King October 15, 2009 at 6:52 am

Obama has accomplished something interesting. He has pissed off both liberals and conservatives.

But big pharma is happy.

averagejoe5 October 15, 2009 at 9:33 am

It's in the bank next to the donut you owe me. That whole thing was a farce or did you choose to ignor that.

Why would I want Americans to be fleeced by big companies? The Dems are the victims here. They are blindly following the very people that are fleecing them. Koresh style. Obama is keeping true to his promise, he is transparent about it and doing it right to your face. Goldman Sachs, AIG and the other "too big to fail" conglomerates are Dem Party supporters. Your party memebers like Dodd and Frank and Pelosi are shoving this right in your face and you are not protesting because you are in awe of your messiah. Do you no longer care about the size of the executives bonus'? Probably not, because Obama's in charge.

The Reverend October 15, 2009 at 3:56 pm

The big banks and insurance companies need busted up. Simple as that. End of story.

Conservatives haven't been supportive of public campaign financing. Democrats have been spineless. Both Obama and Dick Durbin made it clear that, right now, banks own the government. How can this be stopped? Public campaign financing. Make it completely illegal for anyone to donate to a federal candidate's campaign. Pay for the campaigns with tax dollars…..and we'll be much better off, it will be exponentially cheaper for all Americans.

That's not going to happen because 1) most all conservatives do not want it, and 2) Democrats are on the upswing and don't want to crash their own majority party.

What's a 230+ old democracy to do?

The Reverend October 15, 2009 at 3:57 pm

Wouldn't you know it?….

" U.S. regulators should consider breaking up large financial institutions considered “too big to fail,” former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said. "

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aJ8HPmNUfchg

walter October 15, 2009 at 4:52 pm

King sez….."But big pharma is happy."

I would have thought the happiness of big pharma was the goal of conservatives republicans like King

Da King October 15, 2009 at 5:33 pm

Rev,
Your continued cluelessness just astounds me. You say, regarding public campaign financing…"Conservatives haven't been supportive of public campaign financing"

Hello, OBAMA is the one who broke his public campaign financing pledge. McCain ACCEPTED IT.

I really hate it when stupid ass liars post stupid ass bullspit. Just STOP. We've had enough horsecrap. You are the biggest liar I have ever encountered.

Quidpro October 16, 2009 at 10:31 am

Now, now King. There is no need to resort to profanity and sink to the Reverand's level. Just let him bleat and post. That is the great benefit about free speech. It allows one to spot the fools so much easier.

That is also why conservatives tend to favor free speech and liberals tend to favor its limitation. The Reverand's support for public (read "taxpayer") financing of campaigns which would make it "completely illegal for anyone to donate to a federal candidate's campaign" is consistent with his efforts to limit free speech and the Bill of Rights.

In the Reverand's world, we can't have citizens involved in speaking out on the merits of candidates. It is so much better if the Government (read "incumbents") control campaign speech and the spending on campaigns. This avoids messy surprises.

The Reverend October 16, 2009 at 10:46 am

Like I said, conservatives are mostly against public campaign financing. This will be proven, yet again, when the conservative Roberts Court soon strikes down McCain-Feingold.

McCain, a recipient of the "Americans hate Bush and thus, Republicans" reality, couldn't raise enough money to compete with Obama. That made it convenient for McCain, and his magpie repeaters, to make an issue out of some state questionaire Obama filled out, one of the questions being about public financing.

Quid accuses me of espousing…

"we can't have citizens involved in speaking out on the merits of candidates."

Something I never said. The biggest danger in America today, to Americans that is, is the control huge corporate interests have over federal decisions. Politicians refuse to do the will of the people, instead, because of those corporate contributions, they do the will of a handful of powerful and wealthy people. Take the contributions out of the equation and the capitalistic greed factor for politicians is diminished….making it possible for them to consider the will of the people.

Is it that public financing, like the public option in health care reform, is just too sensible?

Quidpro October 16, 2009 at 3:12 pm

To the extent that public financing is meant to exclude all private contributions, as you advocate, it is more than foolish. It is unconstitutional. Read the First Amendment, Reverand. "Congress shall make no law… abridging the freedom of speech". Read further, that Congress is prohibited from enacting legislation which would prohibit the people "to petition the Government for a redress of grievances".

Political speech should be entitled to the highest protection. Laws that prohibit or limit my ability to contribute to candidates I favor limit my First Amendment rights and are unconstitutional. Laws that prevent me from contributing to an organization that opposes candidates that I oppose limit my right to seek redress from the government for grievances.

To require government financing of political campaigns is to invite the fox into the hen house.

The Reverend October 16, 2009 at 5:31 pm

Who's talking about freedom of speech? Not me. You're the one confusing money, donations, with free speech. I don't see anything in the 1st amendment about money or campaign contributions.

In a publicly financed campaign system, the political candidates could still be advocated for by groups and individuals. Those groups and individuals just couldn't finance the candidate's election campaign. There are already contribution limits in place that have withstood court review.

Quid….man, the fox has been running the henhouse and eating the chickens for a long, long time. You're just a bit confused about the identification of the fox.

Da King October 17, 2009 at 8:47 am

Quidpro,
You're right. I apologize for the profanity. It's just that sometimes the Rev's unconscionable partisan "creativity" gets to me. I should know better.

Da King October 17, 2009 at 9:11 am

Rev,
McCain-Feingold SHOULD be struck down. It's anti-free speech under our current campaign financing system, as Quidpro illustrated, and in addition to that, it doesn't work, as your own next to last post attests.

And everybody knows Obama violated his own stand on public campaign financing. You don't need to be an apologist for him. That horse is out of the barn. No amount of spin will put it back.

My attitude toward public campaign financing has become more favorable over the last several years, for some of the reasons you mentioned, but I wonder whether it would even make a difference. The politicians would still know who was electing them, and who they needed to pander to in order to get re-elected. I think term limits is a better way to go. That might go further toward eliminating the corruption. If we implemented that, we might have more statesmen and fewer power-hungry egomaniacs in office.

The Reverend October 19, 2009 at 11:06 am

Term limits restricts the will of the people. Publicly funding campaigns does not.

I disagree with this…

"The politicians would still know who was electing them, and who they needed to pander to in order to get re-elected."

With a publicly funded campaign…how would they "know" who paid to elect them?

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