Comments on: Dumbing Down The Health Care Debate

By: Da King

Da King — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:41:51 +0000

larry,
You've also stated the reason why linking life expectancy to quality of medical care (as the liberals keep doing) is an exercise in futility. If someone smokes, drinks, eats bad food, is sedentary, and is obese, the best medical care in the world won't save him. All these things are more rampant in America than in other countries.

By: larry d.

larry d. — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:58:05 +0000

I'd guess that folks who don't buy healthcare insurance have higher rates of alcoholism, poor nutrition, smoking, etc., etc. Going in for a yearly checkup might help some of them but unless they make holistic life changes I doubt it will do much except put the rest of us in more debt. They'd be better off with decent jobs.

By: roysoldboy

roysoldboy — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:49:10 +0000

How silly is it to say that all those people die because they don't have healthcare. Surely they would be about the same proportion of those with healthcare that die in spite of having that care. Sometimes I wonder when the fools who want single payer so bad will stop coming up with totally inane ideas about how badly it is needed. It seems to me that sooner or later they will have to admit that truth.

I will await Rev's answer to the question about how we determine if a person died from not having health insurance. After we get that one maybe someone from the left will be able to tell us how many of them were in the group that refuses to buy insurance although they could afford it.

By: Da King

Da King — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 06:57:11 +0000

Which Americans are denied treatment at the emergency room, Rev ?

Answer – None. It's against the law to deny that treatment. I repeat, all Americans have access to health care.

How do you determine if someone died from not having health insurance ?

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:43:21 +0000

I can't believe you said this….

"There aren't any Americans without access to health care"

Let them eat cake would have fit your agenda too.

And how silly to say that Americans with health care also die each year. They don't die BECAUSE they have health care, you silly. Those without insurance DO DIE BECAUSE they don't have health insurance…..that's the whole point.

By: Da King

Da King — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:20:25 +0000

Rev,
Bottom line is, you're nuttier than a fruitcake.

There aren't any Americans without access to health care, so your food analogy doesn't hold water, and Grayson's "holocaust" comment is inane and insulting to victims of true holocausts.

Exit question – How many Americans WITH health insurance die each year ?

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:33:55 +0000

Look up the definition of the word "holocaust." Grayson used the right word.

And angry…..I do love your wry humor….I do. Good stuff. Let's try this out….if many Americans were dying from starvation…..would it be because they couldn't get access to food…do you think? Would opponents of giving food to starving Americans try to argue that those starving folks were not starving from lack of food? Just sayin'.

By: Da King

Da King — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:30:33 +0000

Roy,
It's much harder to confuse the heck out of people with those short bills. With short bills, the people might actually understand what's in a bill. The Dems can't have that. The entire purpose of Congress these days is to bamboozle. If the people actually understood, they'd be firmly against what Congress is proposing. I mean, do you think the people would actually vote to be forced to purchase health insurance, and to have their utility bills skyrocket, and to jack up the price of smokes, and to run up the largest deficits ever ? No way. Passing that stuff requires a massive amount of subterfuge. The Dems and their pet media are up to the job.

By: roysoldboy

roysoldboy — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:25:16 +0000

Now, King, you know that if a bill doesn't have at least 1000 pages written largely by some lobbyists, who weren't going to be allowed in Oba mao's DC just can't cover reform. Why they think that this is the only way to do it. Surely without at least 1000 pages that can't be understood by even the Congress critters reform just isn't reform.

When will our progressives here manage to talk to the old type bill with an average of less than 100 pages? I guess they really don't see why the rest of us would worry after their totally lobbyist written Stimulus bill was passed with no reading at all. Surely they don't think that Bush meant what he said about "fool me once" and all that. They are so far gone on their desire to establish socialism that they really do believe that the voters of this nation are so stupid that they want another fool me bill to pass without discussion.

OK, who here thinks the Congress will pass anything as involved as any of the Democrat proposals that are all aimed at socialized medicine without any debate at all? I wonder how many new taxes will be involved in the final law. It will be enough that only fools would think that Our Glorious Leader was at all involved in any part of this since he promised no new taxes at all on anybody but those feelthy rich people. Those Congress Dems are making him look like more of a liar all the time.

By: Da King

Da King — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:52:23 +0000

I'm wondering if the Rev or Andrea actually read any of the Republican health care plans I linked to. It seems not.

And no condemnations from the liberal commenters about Grayson's rhetoric, which is the same type of rhetoric they claim to find so distasteful from Republicans. The Reverend even AGREES with Grayson. That's pretty much what I expected, I'm sad to say.

By: Andrea

Andrea — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:20:04 +0000

Come on what is the republican plan ? How can you have any discussion with a group that just wants to destroy any plan that comes out . We pay taxes already so our dear congressmen can enjoy health care on us and so can prisoners and military people and teachers but not the average citizen. The republican plan is to beat something with nothing
and with the help of the insurance company lobbyists they might just do that.

By: fourfoos

fourfoos — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 11:12:15 +0000

I say "turn about is fair play."

By: angry conserv

angry conserv — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 02:18:01 +0000

Perhaps the answer is NO health care. More people die each year that have health care than those that dont therefore the solution must be no health care for anybody and less people will die. And they said I couldnt grasp progressive logic.

By: JRid

JRid — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:21:52 +0000

Hmmm, just how exactly is the figure of 44,000 a year calculated? I don't recall ever seeing "no health insurance" as a cause of death. How many Americans die each year who *have* health insurance? Speaking as someone who does not currently have health insurance, if I die, it won't be because of my lack of insurance. Now, the bill if I got really sick might kill me (sticker shock), though.

I think what bothers me the most is the oversimplification that conservatives or anyone opposed to the Democrats' health bill simply supports the status quo or "hates" the poor and uninsured. So many straw men…is this Oz? Sorry, I may be opposed to more government involvement in healthcare, but I hardly consider the status quo the best or only alternative solution. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

And holocaust? Wow, talk about redefining the word! A holocaust would be far far far more people and far more horrific than simply not being able to afford insurance. It's a lot like comparing Gitmo to a Nazi death camp or a Soviet Gulag. Not even close and such a comparison shows incredible ignorance to history and reality.

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:29:53 +0000

Those who would stop health care reform….Republicans….are proving Grayson to be more than correct.

44,000 Americans die each year because they lack health insurance. Sounds like a holocaust to me. What the hell would conservatives call it? A picnic?

And what the hell is the GOP's plan for health care reform? End any liability for doctors who kill their patients? Freaking health savings accounts for the filthy rich to park more tax exempt money? Republicans have nothing to offer and everyone knows it now. So when Grayson points out that the GOP plan is, "don't get sick", and if you do, "die quickly"……that seems about right to me. If conservatives don't like the harsh rhetoric…..clean up your own house first.

If conservatives are looking for a compassionate response to their hatefulness……they'll be looking for a very long time.

By: angry conserv

angry conserv — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:05:24 +0000

You have to love the lectures by the progressives and the mainstream press about civility and the creation of an atmosphere that leads to intractable divisions. Yet this outburst will be minimized, rationalized , or an excuse to demonize those that oppose the progressive agenda. I am always amazed by the lefts inablitly to reconize hyprocrisy when they engage in it. I assume because they claim the moral high ground they are exempted from the very behaviour they assign to those that oppose them.

By: James Dunn

James Dunn — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:22:02 +0000

I compared Republican & Democrat healthcare plans with links to both proposals at my blog The Unfamiliar. http://www.rimemagazine.com/article/1044/comparing_the_republican_&_democrat_health_plans