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"For those who question the character and cause of my nation, I ask you to look at the concrete actions we have taken in just nine months." - President Barack Hussein Obama, narcissist, addressing the United Nations, September, 2009.

I'm sure glad Barry came along and fixed the character and cause of this nation after 232 years of American villainy, aren't you ? On the bright side, at least he didn't call pre-Obama America "The Great Satan." And our President spoke these words in front of an audience that included the likes of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, Moammar Gadhafi, and a slew of other human rights violators (many of whom are on the Orwellian UN Human Rights Council).
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"Since Americans can only be prodded into doing something with money, we need to tax crappy foods that make us sick like we do with cigarettes, and alcohol." - pot-smoking comedian Bill Maher, September, 2009.

Unbelievably, Maher calls himself a Libertarian. In reality, he's just another authoritarian left-winger. Someone should familiarize Maher with the words "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." It's none of Bill Maher's business who smokes, drinks, or eats what, which Maher would quickly realize if someone took his weed away. Maher's "libertarianism" extends only to his desire to get high. What a hypocrite.
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"Is capitalism a sin ?" - Leni Riefenstahl Award-winning, Castro-loving filmmaker Michael Moore, in a trailer from his forthcoming movie, Capitalism, A Love Story.

The answer from Moore's questionee is "yes," by the way, capitalism IS a sin. Hugo Chavez couldn't have said it better.
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"President Obama didn't make much news on his round of five Sunday talk shows … with one notable exception. The President revealed a great deal about his philosophy of government and how he defines a tax increase. It turns out the President thinks a health-care tax is not a tax if he thinks the tax is for your own good. … Mr. Obama was asked by [ABC] host George Stephanopoulos about the 'individual mandate.' Under Max Baucus's Senate bill that Mr. Obama supports, everyone would be required to buy health insurance or else pay a penalty as high as $3,800 a year. Mr. Stephanopoulos posed the obvious question about this kind of coercion when 'the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don't [buy insurance]. … How is that not a tax?' 'Well, hold on a second, George,' Mr. Obama replied. 'Here's what's happening. You and I are both paying $900, on average — our families — in higher premiums because of uncompensated care. Now what I've said is that if you can't afford health insurance, you certainly shouldn't be punished for that. That's just piling on. If, on the other hand, we're giving tax credits, we've set up an exchange, you are now part of a big pool, we've driven down the costs, we've done everything we can and you actually can afford health insurance, but you've just decided, you know what, I want to take my chances. And then you get hit by a bus and you and I have to pay for the emergency room care, that's…' 'That may be,' Mr. Stephanopoulos responded, 'but it's still a tax increase.' (In fact, uncompensated care accounts for about only 2.2% of national health spending today, but that's another subject.) Mr. Obama: 'No. That's not true, George. The — for us to say that you've got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase. What it's saying is, is that we're not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore…' In other words, like parents talking to their children, this levy — don't call it a tax — is for your own good. … Mr. Obama complains that 'My critics say everything is a tax increase,' as if that is his political problem. His real problem is that the individual mandate really is a tax, but the President doesn't want voters to think of it that way, because taxes are unpopular." –The Wall Street Journal, September, 2009.

Yes, of course, Obama's penalty for not having health insurance is a tax, no matter what he wants to call it. Obama probably wouldn't consider his cap-and-trade proposal a tax either, but that's exactly what it is. The creative subterfuge being engaged in by Democrats these days is to pass tax increases without calling them tax increases. Instead, they are called penalties, mandates, fees, carbon allowances, etc. Does this stuff actually fool anyone ? (except for liberals, that is). I hope not. Obama isn't "helping the little guy" one bit, in case anyone hasn't noticed (and the media sure hasn't). He's only raising the little guy's expenses, through both direct and indirect means. This brings to mind Ronald Reagan's quote about the most terrifying words in the english language – "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."
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"We understand the gravity of the climate threat. We are determined to act. And we will meet our responsibility to future generations." - Barack Obama, speaking at the UN climate change conference, September, 2009.

"Responsibility to future generations," eh ? More than a tad ironic, coming from the President who is running up the debt faster than every other administration in history combined, thereby irresponsibly ruining the prospects of future generations.
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"It doesn't smell of sulfur here anymore. It smells of something else. It smells of hope." - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, addressing the UN, September, 2009.

The "sulfur" smell was Bush, whom Chavez called "the devil" at last year's UN meeting. The "hope" smell is Obama. It's sure nice that we've won over Chavez, don't you think ? Yes, he may be a tyrannical nut who nationalizes industries, shuts down opposition media, and puts opposition political figures in jail, but that's the socialist way. Because Chavez's version of "hope" would be hope of a worldwide socialist revolution, I wonder what it is he likes so much about Obama ??? I can agree with Chavez on this much – something smells alright.

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dd20 September 25, 2009 at 9:37 am

King – unrelated topic but maybe in another post you could comment in detail on the differences in protests between the 9/12 and the G-20. Watching the G-20 protesters clash with police who are forced to shoot rubber bullets and dispense tear gas is pretty much the definition of violent extremists, don’t you think?

While I have been told by our leaders that peaceful Libertarian / right wing demonstrations are racist domestic terrorists and violent riots of rock throwing, window breaking trash can burning left wingers are the displaying highest form of patriotism, I just can't get my head around that theory based on what I see and hear.

A post on this would be welcomed.

The Reverend September 25, 2009 at 1:22 pm

Bush/Cheney were (and still are) a humiliating embarassment to the American people as their very low approval numbers at the end demonstrated. World opinion was even worse.

Obama's UN comments put America back on the right track. Torture ended, Gitmo closing, etc.

Bill Maher wants stuff taxed…not prohibited. Prohibition is a conservative gig.

No question, unbridled capitalism is a sin…..worse, with some capitalists it's an incurable disease. 6 1/2 million unemployed Americans agree.

I wonder why it is that when people like R. Reagan and the Governator increase fees in various sectors so they won't be called taxers……conservatives, like King, don't call them taxers. Odd.

Chavez is popular with his people, actually provides benefits for his people….and basically minds his own business. Conservative faith-basers don't like Hugo because he dared to call Commander Guy out on his crimes. …..oh, and yeah….Chavez won't allow U.S. profiteers to exploit Venezuela's resources. What would conservatives do without a boogeyman to point to?

averagejoe5 September 25, 2009 at 5:08 pm

dd20 – I was thinking the exact same thing. What does the Rev think?

Why do you blame capitalism on unemployment? Unemployment is directly caused by our govt. And our current unemployment is caused directly by the Democrats. From Clintons villianous actions of signing NAFTA to the Dem congress crashing the economy in 1997.

averagejoe5 September 25, 2009 at 5:08 pm

I meant craching the economy in 2007. Sorry.

walter September 25, 2009 at 7:00 pm

King sez…."I'm sure glad Barry came along and fixed the character and cause of this nation after 232 years of American villainy, aren't you ?" Of course, only you and your fellow republicans would think that Obama was talking about the last 232 years

good thing the President has been reading Counterpunch

http://www.counterpunch.org/green09252009.html

walter September 26, 2009 at 10:11 am

sounds like someone we know….eh King?

Are all of these failings why regressives don’t think George W. Bush was one of them as president? Of course not. In fact, Bush did all of these things. In fact, he and his fellow-travelers fulfilled every single item on the regressive wet dream checklist during his presidency.

Except for two. First, they expanded the size of the national government through reckless spending. And, second, because they were careful not to take any popular goodies away so that voters would experience the real pain of regressive politics, they paid for it all (and the tax cuts, and the wars) by borrowing. Future generations could pay for it. Plus interest, of course.

Those are both important issues to the right, to be sure, but it is absolutely ludicrous to argue that those two items, stacked up against everything else he gave them listed above, remotely suggest that Bush was not a conservative. Utter nonsense.

So what’s going on?

The obvious answer is that Bush was a total disaster as president who was hated by a country that couldn’t wait for the clock to run down on his nightmare. Who wants to be associated with that?

The less obvious answer is even more telling, though. It’s true the Bush folks were grossly incompetent, at least at the things they didn’t care so much about. But the deeper and more profound reality is that this was far less a failure of one fool than it was the acid test for an entire ideology, which in fact failed the exam miserably.

The Reverend September 26, 2009 at 11:04 am

Well said, walter.

larry d. September 26, 2009 at 11:13 am

A little too "well said," if you ask me. Knowing his limitations, after reading that bit I have to conclude that walt is a plagiarist.

walter September 26, 2009 at 11:46 am

my apologies…..that was the money quote from the Counterpunch story "Why the Right Wants to Erase Bush" Dumping Dubya
By DAVID MICHAEL GREEN

again, my apologies

Da King September 27, 2009 at 10:13 am

dd20,
I'm on it. Read my latest.

Da King September 27, 2009 at 10:15 am

So, Reverend is a Hugo Chavez fan.

Add one more authoritarian left-winger to the count. Tyrants R' Us.

Da King September 27, 2009 at 10:21 am

walter,
If you think I'm a big Bush fan, you just haven't been paying attention.

But the last I heard, Bush isn't the President anymore.

What I can't figure out is, why do those like you and the Reverend always want to change the subject back to Bush (or even Reagan in the Rev's case) . Is it THAT hard to defend Obama ?

Da King September 27, 2009 at 10:23 am

larry,
I agree. walt has never been that eloquent before, and his dishonesty is well-documented.

Da King September 27, 2009 at 10:26 am

I posted my previous comment before reading walter's clarification that those words were not his. It's all good now.

walter September 27, 2009 at 11:03 am

King sez….."walter, If you think I'm a big Bush fan, you just haven't been paying attention."

just saying DAVID MICHAEL GREEN has your number…….again, from Counterpunch…..

Are all of these failings why regressives don’t think George W. Bush was one of them as president? Of course not. In fact, Bush did all of these things. In fact, he and his fellow-travelers fulfilled every single item on the regressive wet dream checklist during his presidency.

Except for two. First, they expanded the size of the national government through reckless spending. And, second, because they were careful not to take any popular goodies away so that voters would experience the real pain of regressive politics, they paid for it all (and the tax cuts, and the wars) by borrowing. Future generations could pay for it. Plus interest, of course.

King….addressing dishonesty with larry is an outright hoot. Nobody is going to forget larry's outright lie about me saying something filthy about Mexicans…except you of course

roysoldboy September 27, 2009 at 12:51 pm

Walter sez, "First, they expanded the size of the national government through reckless spending. "

Now Walter was talking about the expansion of government under the Bush administration. Walter, how many new agencies have been proposed just to enforce the healthcare Pelosi that the "bad" town hall protesters were against? Somehow I seem to keep hearing more than 50 agencies just to enforce the road to socialized medicine. I don't think that any one bill passed during the Bush administration needed that much growth of government just to enforce IT.

Could you point out which ones did that? Maybe I just missed it and I need to know about this because the elections of 2010 are just over 1 year off. That is if I get to vote. You do know that Ms. Napolitano has declared old vets, who are Republicans, are very dangerous as possible terrorists. I fit every description she put in there and will believe that I will be allowed to vote when I am indeed making my marks.

roysoldboy September 27, 2009 at 12:56 pm

Rev, did you go over to Pittsburgh to take part in the "rally" against capitalism the other evening? I just wondered since you said: "No question, unbridled capitalism is a sin…..worse, with some capitalists it's an incurable disease. 6 1/2 million unemployed Americans agree."

You don't like capitalism and you tried to make all those unemployed the responsibility of the recent capitalist government when in the first month of our road to socialism, we are on now, over 700,000 people lost their jobs. BTW, have we had a month without job loss in the past 8 months? If so which one was it.

I have been wondering if the present President is a capitalist since the job losses have continued with him in office.

Da King September 28, 2009 at 8:30 am

walter,
What's your point ? Am I supposed to be FOR big increases in government spending, FOR big increases in the national debt, FOR big tax increases ? Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

Da King September 28, 2009 at 8:31 am

And while we're on the subject, what were Bush's big conservative accomplishments ?????

The Reverend September 29, 2009 at 1:27 pm

Historic tax cuts primarily benefitting the wealthiest. Further leverage deregulation for banksters already under water. Wars of aggression. The Terri Schiavo embarassment. Refusing to fund any new embryonic stem cell research other than on existing stem cell lines. Starting a new Faith Based Initiative in violation of the 1st amendment. Appointing two extremist jurists to the Supremes. Secrecy, ala Nixon, Reagan, Bush I. An attempt to wreck SS.

Shall I go on?

The Reverend September 29, 2009 at 1:33 pm

To my Kansas buddy, roy….

Hasn't the dissonance cracked your skull yet? Capitalism in America, left deregulated and supercharged with greed, gambled away America's near term future…..and lost. That loss rippled downward resulting in massive layoffs. The layoffs started under Bush, and continue under Obama….though they have slowed slightly recently. Contrary to conservative ramblings…..the current almost-depression, complete with historic layoffs, was a direct result of capitalism at it's worse. Even Alan Greenspan agrees with me now.

Da King October 2, 2009 at 12:31 pm

Rev,
Most of what you cited isn't even conservative.

"Historic tax cuts primarily benefitting the wealthiest."

Aka, across the board tax cuts for all taxpayers. It's okay to admit it. Tax cuts are conservative, but not when they aren't paid for, and Bush's weren't. Running up deficits and debt isn't conservative.

"Wars of aggression."

Wars aren't a conservative act, according to the true meaning of the word. That's why the term "neo-con" was invented.

"The Terri Schiavo embarassment"

Did Bush get involved in that ? I thought it was only Congress. In any case, I'm not sure that keeping the state from murdering an innocent woman is a particularly conservative idea either. That's more of a moral idea, as in, Thou Shalt Not Murder.

"Further leverage deregulation for banksters"

Hardly a conservative idea, but in any case, this was done to keep the banks from failing even earlier.

"Refusing to fund any new embryonic stem cell research other than on existing stem cell lines"

In other words, Bush funded stem cell research.

"Faith-based initiatives"

Obama's doing the same thing, and he's no conservative.

I'll give you the two Bush Supreme court justices. They were conservative, thank god.

Da King October 2, 2009 at 12:45 pm

Oops, I left a couple out.

"Secrecy"

You'll have to explain how this has anything to do with conservatism.

"SS"

Bush tried to fix SS. After my recent post about SS, I don't know how you even had the nerve to bring this up.

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