When two 20-year olds posing as a pimp and a prostitute were able to bring down ACORN by getting multiple ACORN offices to assist them in setting up a would-be prostitution ring for underage girls from El Salvador, I thought to myself, 'wouldn't it be nice if we had professional organizations in this country that could root out corruption like that ?' Then we wouldn't have to depend upon college kids to do it. We could call such professionals, say, journalists. But, alas, all we have is the Lame Stream Media. You can find the audios, videos, and transcripts of ACORN's prosititution facilitating at biggovernment.com.
ACORN, btw, is an acronym. I think it stands for Association of Criminal Organizations for statutory Rape Now. Or something like that.
Until the Senate and the House of Representatives both voted overwhelmingly to cut off ACORN's federal funding, our Lame Stream Media was never interested in ACORN's shenanigans. As ACORN was being investigated across the country for voter registration fraud, as ACORN was breaking into houses they didn't own and taking them over, and as ACORN falsely poses as a non-partisan organization to get federal funding in the first place, our media pretended not to notice. Nothing to see here. Now, however, even the execrable, er, I mean, venerable New York Times has taken notice.
If you want to find out how extensive ACORN's voter registration fraud is, google 'ACORN voter registration fraud,' and then peruse a few of the 194,000 hits you get back from the search. The internet has been on the case, even if the Lame Stream Media has not. Nearly one-third of the over 1.3 million ballots ACORN registered for the 2008 election were rejected. Nothing newsworthy there, according to the Lames.
The Senate voted 83-7 to stop funding ACORN. The House voted 345-75 to stop funding ACORN. ALL votes to keep funding ACORN came from Democrats (further illustrating exactly how non-partisan ACORN is NOT).
ACORN has also been removed from participating in the 2010 Census.
ACORN has put out a laughable variety of ever-changing excuses for the actions of their employees on the prosititution videos. ACORN said the videos were fake, and then ACORN fired some of the employees on those "fake" videos, as if that makes any sense whatsoever. That would be firing them for something they didn't do. Later, ACORN claimed their employees were just playing along. Then, as sure as night follows day, ACORN blamed it on RACISM (will liberals EVER stop this ?). Here's ACORN Chief Organizer, Bertha Lewis:
The relentless attacks on ACORN’s members, its staff and the policies and positions we promote are unprecedented. An international entertainment conglomerate, disguising itself as a “news” agency (Fox), has expended millions, if not tens of millions of dollars, in their attempt to destroy the largest community organization of Black, Latino, poor and working class people in the country. It is not coincidence that the most recent attacks have been launched just when health care reform is gaining traction. It is clear they’ve had these tapes for months.
We are their Willy Horton for 2009. We are the boogeyman for the right-wing and its echo chambers. If ACORN did not exist, the right-wing would have needed to create us in order to achieve their agenda, their missions, their ideal, retrograde America. This recent scam, which was attempted in San Diego, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, Philadelphia to name a few places, had failed for months before the results we’ve all recently seen. I am appalled and angry; I cannot and I will not defend the actions of the workers depicted in the video, who have since been terminated. But it is clear that the videos are doctored, edited, and in no way the result of the fabricated story being portrayed by conservative activist “filmmaker” O’Keefe and his partner in crime. And, in fact, a crime it was – our lawyers believe a felony – and we will be taking legal action against Fox and their co-conspirators.
For the record, millions of dollars were not spent to bring down ACORN. The two 20-year olds who shot the prosititution videos spent $1,300 total (according to them), and they didn't work for Fox News either. The real story here is why the rest of the Lame Stream Media DIDN'T cover ACORN's ongoing corrupt and criminal activities for all this time. Btw, Bertha Lewis didn't sound very non-partisan there, did she ? The right-wing's desire for an " ideal, retrograde America" ?? I'm not even sure what that means, but it doesn't sound very nice.
FYI – You can listen to the full audio of the ACORN prostitution tapes at the previous biggovernment.com link. There was no doctoring of the videos, as Lewis claims. The videos portrayed the situation accurately. Lewis is literally saying, 'who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes ?' It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
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The Dem/Libs will self distruct as usual. They do not have the attention span to understand the repercussions of their actions. It has been proven over and over. One of their big mistakes here in Ohio was to impose the smoking ban the way they did. Causing the immediate loss of 300,000 jobs, the closing of over 9000 small mom and pop businesses resulting in the loss of about $990M in tax revenue. Then Strickland sells our $25B stake in the tobacco lawsuit for $5B. (Does that seem suspicious to anyone? Looks to me like he will be set for the rest of his life. We need the FBI on that one instead of the destruction of Jimmy Dimora. Well, that needs done also but…. you know what I mean). This is one of a multitude of stories.
I think Beck may be one of those journalists you speak of King. If he would just quit mixing his news stories in with his sponsors (and crying, I hate the crying). He has come up with quite a few findings lately.
I've been looking at the full recordings on BigGovernment.com since they came out, and it's clear that the tapes were in no way altered. And your point about why fire someone for something you are telling the press they haven't done is the first thing that occurred to me when ACORN started defending itself.
I think that if they had used the explanation that they're going with now (that these people committed acts that don't represent ACORN's core values and they're taking steps to make sure all employees understand in the future that it's unacceptable behavior), I might be inclined to believe what they're saying now. But, they gave the most idiotic explanation I can imagine from the outset, only altering it when they found people weren't buying it and their funding was in the process of being cut off.
Particularly, casting the blame on Fox is laughable to me. They're like the Boogeyman for liberals, so it was only natural to blame the Boogeyman for being exposed as unscrupulous. Never mind it was a man and woman who were in no way associated with Fox. Isn't that like saying that Ron Paul is behind this, lol?
ACORN has way more than a black eye from all this. They're in frickin' traction, though I think they'll eventually reorganize with a new name and go back to helping people take advantage of the system. After all, that's a lot easier than teaching them how to get proper jobs and earn a living.
Sorry I am a couple of days late on the Tort Reform Blog, but I have one question. Is the 30% decrease in premiums malpractice or health insurance? From the limited research I was able to do on the internet it appears that the healthcare industry costs went down, but healthcare prices went up. Imagine that Big Industry not passing down a cost reduction to the end consumer. But I thought in Free Markets a cost reduction would be passed down to the consumer.
All Tort reform will do is reduce the injured victims ability to recover damages that could possibly change their lives. I al for reducing frivolous lawsuits, but we need to keep the options open for those that are greviously injured by the medical profession.
Using the internet, two kids and a video camera took down a multimillion dollar organization that launched the President. The digital age is scary and amazing. The days of Woodward and Burnstein are dead. Because of the failure of the MSM to do their jobs, the new guardians is anyone and everyone. There's good and bad in that, but I'm glad for the most part we have a new watchdog.
I believe the services of ACORN are needed, the poor deserve help and advice to help them attain a better life. But why can't these services be done by church and charity organizations? I am sure a local pastor or retired CPA volunteer would not be giving recommendations on child prostitution or tax fraud. This Administration doesn't think much of charity, which is only going to bring about the rise of more of these corrupt organizations. I had never heard of ACORN until last year. What other snakes remain hidden in the weeds?
It is time to repeat the fact that there is no longer an ACORN. Several months ago they moved their real headquarters to anywhere but the US when the Rathke brothers and the rest of the "wheels" of the group shipped out for riper territories. They are now, in fact, an international organization and having great success in other parts of the world. I don't remember anybody in the LSM reporting all this but Beck and the rest of Fox did report it and sure enough none of those six people, 5 whites and one black, that run the thing are not located in the US any longers.
Ok, the present name of that black workers with white bosses has been changed to COI. Community Organizers International is the official name now. However, since ACORN was made up of nearly 300 smaller units under the head group it is hard to tell who is who.
This morning Bertha Lewis appeared on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace and Darrell Issa who just happens to be their most serious Congressional detractor because he is on the House Oversight Committee and has some real information on how they operate and how dark and non-transparent their group really is because of the work of that commitee. Lewis continued her lies and obfuscations on the show because the questions from Wallace weren't as easy as she would have preferred.
If you want to see this show it will be on Fox at 2:00 pm today. I see the show at 11:00 am because the "entertainment" Fox network carries it then. If the Chief football game is going as bad as I expect I will watch that show again this afternoon.
I have always been in wonderment about another group of community organizers that Barack Obama, in fact, organized in Chicago over 15 years ago. They still call themselves Public Allies and can be studied at http://www.publicallies.org I find it very interesting to look at a map of the states they have become important in because that map looks so much like the one of the states that have cases against ACORN for voter fraud. I have wondered if this group is among the 270, or whatever, groups in ACORN. I recommend that you go to that site and study it a bit, especially about its history and that map. The map because of the closeness to the one that I keep seeing of the states that are, or have carried suits against ACORN. Public Allies have, indeed, spread considerably since Michelle Obama left it as the director about 1996. Oh yeah, Barack started it and then Michelle took over when he went into politics. It is very interesting to read their history on their website.
For those who only want to see that map I suggested you can do that here. http://www.publicallies.org/site/c.liKUL3PNLvF/b.2775819/k.9AF/Our_Growing_Network.htm
acorn? no…………….friggin' nuts? yes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6C6E6ayh4U&feature=player_embedded
The smallness of today's conservatives never ceases to amaze me.
Anyone who has read my stuff for a number of years knows that I predicted over and over again that the wreckage left by W.'s reign of terror would destroy the Republican Party. What we've seen beginning with the unhinged Palin campaign, passing through the "hope Obama fails" chapter, the whitey victimization embarrassment at the Sotomayor hearings, through the shout-downs and gun-toting at town halls, and now to a direct Fox media attack on a non-profit group that stinks to high heaven of racism…….all of this…..is evidence of the implosion of the Republican Party and movement conservatism.
It's all childish, embarassing and insulting to anyone who loves the country. To conservative hangers-on, those who are acting as if they are mentally deranged, close to foaming at the mouth, carrying weapons, projecting racial hate and seeking to divide the country…are the only true American patriots.
The small bore hate revealed in King's screed against ACORN is not even worthy of rebuttal.
The word reprehensible applies.
Well you surely didn't rebut it, Reverend. But as always the race card seemed refreshing and new.
Yes, Reverend Wright, the word reprehensible does apply here, as long as we're talking about the people in the videos we're discussing. Not attempting to rebut something you disagree with means that you haven't anything to rebut it with. Nice attempt to try to act like you're above it all, though, lol.
camackey,
The 30% drop was in doctor's malpractice premiums, not in health insurance rates.
dd20,
I agree that a group like ACORN can be very helpful, but they really have a lot of corrupt mess to clean up first.
Roy,
It's funny, but the first thing I read on the ACORN site is that they are a non-profit non-partisan organization. A lie right off the bat.
I didn't know ACORN was really international now. Thanks for the info.
Rev,
I'm sorry to hear that you think THE FACTS are an example of hate speech. More on that in my next post. That's what happens when you are blinded by partisanship, as you so obviously are. I am not so blinded, and neither is the majority of Congress nor President Obama, who has called for investigations into ACORN's corruption.
joe,
Watching Glenn Beck is a trip. He says so many things that are right on the money, that you will never hear anywhere else from the media, but he does tend to go overboard sometimes, like when he called Obama a racist. That was far enough over the top to be a Reverend post. He shouldn't have said that.
And I'm with you on the crying.
Tory,
I agree with you so often that………
you must be a very smart woman
King, I agree with you about Tory but then she does manage to agree with the way we think. The best part of her comments is that she always seems to come up with corroborative evidence for her arguments and usually they aren't from biased sources. That is good stuff, always.
Now about those wheels from ACORN, COI, moving out of country that came from Beck several months ago. Of course, if an audit of ACORN (they still have to wear out all those red T-shirts) ever takes place the Rathke brothers will be much better off outside the US. The rest of the 6 "bosses" of the group are about as bad and the worst part of it all is that 5 of the top 6 are white men who have become wealthy men from their association with ACORN. They claim to be only about poor black and latino people but look who gets all the siphoned off goodies.
As for the present CEO of ACORN, I think that Bertha is about to be replaced and surely so if she lives up to the audit she promised to begin today. There will be no audit unless it is done by their own bookkeepers until the government forces it. I can't see the government forcing that when Obama is so indebted to the group. He will never get around to calling for that, officially, just as he will never cross Stern of SEIU.
STEPHANOPOULOS: How about the funding for ACORN?
PRESIDENT OBAMA: You know, frankly, it’s not really something I’ve followed closely. I didn’t even know that ACORN was getting a whole lot of federal money.
Where's Joe Wilson when you need him?
from Glenn Greenwald……
So with this massive pillaging of America's economic security and the control of American government by its richest and most powerful factions growing by the day, to whom is America's intense economic anxiety being directed? To a non-profit group that devotes itself to providing minute benefits to people who live under America's poverty line, and which is so powerless in Washington that virtually the entire U.S. Senate just voted to cut off its funding at the first sign of real controversy — could anyone imagine that happening to a key player in the banking or defense industry?
Apparently, the problem for middle-class and lower-middle-class Americans is not that their taxpayer dollars are going to prop up billionaires, oligarchs and their corrupt industries. It's that America's impoverished — a group that is growing rapidly — is getting too much, has too much power and too little accountability.
also from Glenn Greenwald….
ACORN has received a grand total of $53 million in federal funds over the last 15 years — an average of $3.5 million per year. Meanwhile, not millions, not billions, but trillions of dollars of public funds have been, in the last year alone, transferred to or otherwise used for the benefit of Wall Street. Billions of dollars in American taxpayer money vanished into thin air, eaten by private contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan, led by Halliburton subsidiary KBR. All of those corporate interests employ armies of lobbyists and bottomless donor activities that ensure they dominate our legislative and regulatory processes, and to be extra certain, the revolving door between industry and government is more prolific than ever, with key corporate officials constantly ending up occupying the government positions with the most influence over those industries.
Walter, we're supposed to turn a blind eye to a government funded organization that gives advice on tax evasion, child prostitution, mortgage fraud and illegal immigration just because they’re “impoverished”?
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
Ok, then so what’s the line? I’d like to know what you and Greenwald think is the income bracket that justifies me smuggling children for prostitution?
But sure, you and Glenn got a point, let’s go after the big boys too. I’m all for stopping the funding of millionaires at Freddie Mac, the Auto Industry, the military industrial complex, AIG, etc. I don’t think you’ll find many people who think otherwise either. I don’t know what bizarro world you live on where people love Lehman Brothers and venerate Nixon but it’s not this one.
Maybe if Greenwald stopped navel gazing on the beaches of Brazil and do some real investigative journalism into the areas he thinks are corrupt instead of worthless pontifications, I might actually find his opinion of value.
Like I said, I think the charter of ACORN is good but why does it have to be done by the Government? The Left thinks there is no problem the government can’t solve, no issue beyond the benevolence of the state, no question the best and brightest can’t answer. Do you not trust charity, churches and volunteers to perform this duty of helping the poor to change their circumstances?
dd…..I try to put myself into those people's shoes to try to determine what I would do. If someone came to me with such an idea the first thing I would think is that someone was pulling my chain. My first reaction would be to give them the boot. Of course, he does have that heavy coat on and she's got on practically nothing…..maybe antaganizing these people isn't such a good idea. Heavy coat, big gun. Maybe they are for real. I would engage them (I mean we are talking about underage girls and prostitution) and find out more. If it meant for me to give out information to recieve information, I wouldn't hesitate for a minute.
I could certainly see where you and King would sit there with your thumbs up your asses and do nothing……not me
Call me a snitch but that's exactly what I would be doing
Crazy thing is the ACORN women in the video were probably formerly on some sort of govt aid and their instincts are to work the system. That's why they gave them many choices and said they didn't want to know details of what was going on.
It still amazes me how the libs can defend and make excuses for these men and women who are showing others how to steal and participate in illegal practices.
walter, did anyone in the offices at San Bernadino, Baltimore, NYC or Washington, D.C. call the cops on Giles and O'Keefe?
I know that, if I were in that situation, I would talk with them, gain their trust, find out everything I could, then ask them to discuss their situation with an associate while I quietly called the cops. But I've only heard reports of two offices– San Diego and Philly– calling the cops.
In San Diego, that didn't occur until after the couple left, probably after the guy they spoke to (the one who offered to help smuggle underage non-citizens into the country) realized that they were not being honest. (http://www.10news.com/news/20975217/detail.html) I'm questioning the one filed in Philly because the report mentioned O'Keefe by name, and I'm pretty certain that, if Giles was using a fake name, her cohort was probably doing the same. So, where would they have gotten O'Keefe's name, unless what they released wasn't a real police report? Makes me wonder about whether some CYA was going on, you know? (I apologize for the lack of a link to the Philly report. I couldn't find one that wasn't on either a left-wing or a right-wing blog, and I didn't want anyone arguing with me over statements that others made on those blogs. I couldn't search for an incident report of the Philly police website, only a blank one that anyone could fill in.)
Meanwhile, in other offices, they're all on-board to help the alleged pimp and prossie ply their trades with underaged illegal aliens. As I've said in the past, if this behavior were limited to one office, then I might be willing to believe that it was one bad apple, but multiple stories from different areas? Please, don't let yourself be blinded by your politics. I know many liberals who think, as I do, that even one incident is too many.
I noticed something funny as I continued to search for the Philly report after posting. I really do want to know whether said report was filed. The last thing I want to do is believe someone or a group is guilty of something they aren't guilty of.
I went back to the Philly site to look up police reports. They didn't list incident reports, as I said, but I thought to myself, I'll at least enter the number given on the police report ACORN posted, to see if it's similar to the number they would accept. The number that ACORN's posted form gives in 35965. The website returned an error no matter what type of report I searched for (incident reports were not among the types of report I could search), because they use four-digit numbers for police reports, not five.
Meanwhile, it also occurred to me that if, as he claims, he filed the report immediately after they left his office because he was suspicious, why did ACORN fire Juan Veros? Doesn't he have a wrongful dismissal lawsuit if they fired him when he didn't do anything? What about the other workers they whose actions they defended but who were soon thrown under the bus?
tory, here you got a "pimp" sitting in your office who's wearing a heavy pimp coat and you're going to risk your life and your co-workers lives by trying to quietly call the cops? You wait until they leave the building before you go and do that. That's just common sense. You would HAVE to assume he was armed.
from the news10 link……."National City police confirmed that Vera contacted them, but said there was not enough information about the couple to file a formal report." Probably why the others didn't call police…..not enough information or they realized it was a prank.
you're right tho….next time they prank me at work I'm gonna call the cops
walt, how on earth could the alleged pimp overhear you if you called the cops from another room while they were engaged with another ACORN employee?
Did you also not that Vera contacted the cops 2 days after they came to his office? I guess he wanted to give them a lot of time to get away, before he felt safe. Or it could be that it took that long for him to put it together that he'd been scammed and had shot his mouth off about his prowess in human trafficking a little more than he should have?
Anyway, if he was so forthright in his actions, why was Veros fired? You think he's got a suit against ACORN in the works?
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you'd leave your co-worker alone with someone you considered possibly armed and probably dangerous? Not sure I could do that. Not sure I would take that chance.
"had shot his mouth off about his prowess in human trafficking a little more than he should have?" Didn't you just say….."I would talk with them, gain their trust" Isn't shooting off his mouth about his prowess in human trafficking consistant with what you said you would do?
in the 10news story Vera said he called the police after the pair left the building
I'm sure there's gonna be a lawsuit…….don't think it's gonna be against ACORN tho
I see where the republican ped0phile protector John Boehner is condemning ACORN.
Now there's a hoot!
this is what republican David "Diaper Dave" Vitter had to say……."Underage prostitutes? That sounds yummy"
walter, you're trying awfully hard to make excuses for ACORN, who on several occasions openly assisted in setting up an underage prostitution racket. What's up with that ?
King, of course, is not stating the truth about the Fox sting on the primarily black non-profit group, ACORN. ACORN did not "on several occasions openly assist"….an "underage prostitution racket."
But it all makes for sensationalistic "gotcha" journalism.
Glenn Greenwald hits the nail squarely, as walter points out…..conservatives don't raise much hell over trillions going to criminal banksters….no FOX stings over that…..but a mainly black non-profit which registered over one million new, primarily Democratic, voters…that, they care about. What all this ACORN stuff is about, as it was during the presidential campaign, is a lame-ass try at weakening a black president with smears of association with a mainly black non-profit entrapped in some junior high Fox sting.
I gotta' say, today's conservatives are transparent. No sense of proportion, always attempting phony and moronic equivalencies…while ALWAYS rushing to aid the already powerful.
Conservatives need to be screaming more about these banksters especially since most of them are Democrats.
Keep sympathizing with the criminals Rev. This is very important to your party. Promoting the underage pediphile whore business isn't the only thing they were caught doing. In fact if you can look deep enough you will find that they are a big influence with the "Banksters" as you call them.
King, I'm not making excuses…….all I am saying is the reason ACORN even engaged these jerks was to find out what these assholes were up to.
like tory said……"I know that, if I were in that situation, I would talk with them, gain their trust, find out everything I could……"
here's some people trying to find out about an underage prostitution ring and you critisize them for that? Van Jones was wrong when he called republicans assholes…..republicans are MUCH worse
from tory's link….."Don't call the police because I'm gonna be a lawyer," O'Keefe said in the video.
now there's a punchline looking for a lawyer joke
Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier, walter. I was up last night because I was in pain, basically. That meant I haven't gotten sleep in quite awhile, haven't been on top of my game today, no time for blogging.
I guess I still fail to see the basis of your arguments against what I think would be the obvious thing to do if confronted with people wanting me to help them commit criminal activity. The people on this video were obviously unafraid of O'Keefe and Giles and were calling in others to advise them, anyway. Your 'fear' argument is a weak one, considering that the ACORN folks seemingly had no problem leaving them alone with others who worked in the office. Indeed, if they were that fearful, why didn't they call cops as soon as O'Keefe and Giles left or, in some cases, at all?
You're tripping all over yourself trying to make excuses from people who are inexcusable. Wouldn't it make you ask questions if some other non-profit agency were caught giving advice on how to evade the law, not just at one office, but at several? I think this calls for more than an internal review, and certainly more than a shrug and the benefit of the doubt by the American taxpayer, who has contributed a great deal of money to their cause. Let's just have an independent party investigate them. If these were only a few bad apples, America will stop doubting ACORN, but if this type of behavior is systemic, let's find out and shut them down for good.
Rev says, "ACORN did not "on several occasions openly assist"….an "underage prostitution racket."
Uh, it's on VIDEOTAPE.
walter says, "all I am saying is the reason ACORN even engaged these jerks was to find out what these assholes were up to. "
Then why were the employees fired, and why did ACORN's CIO Bertha Lewis publicly condemn what those employees did ? Why did Congress cut off ACORN's funding ? Why has Obama called for an investigation ?
More importantly, why are you and the Reverend making things up ?
joe,
Right on the money. ACORN was one of the organizations central in pushing banks to lend money to people who couldn't show the proper means for repayment. No big surprise that so many of those loans defaulted. ACORN was one of the organizations central to calling those banks racists, which is HOW they got the banks to lend the money. ACORN, in addition to being many other things, are also extortionists, using phony charges of racism as it's weapon.
Check out this video from ZoNation:
http://www.pjtv.com/v/2467
Good video. How can that not make sense to everyone?
tory said……"I know that, if I were in that situation, I would talk with them, gain their trust, find out everything I could……"
then sez………."I guess I still fail to see the basis of your arguments against what I think would be the obvious thing to do if confronted with people wanting me to help them commit criminal activity." I'm not arguing……I think you are absolutely correct. King says you are wrong.
tory sez…." Indeed, if they were that fearful, why didn't they call cops as soon as O'Keefe and Giles left or, in some cases, at all?" They didn't call because they figured that were yanking their cranks
why were they fired? That's called republicanism…….guilty until proven innocent……I wouldn't think you would question that at all. That's the way you guys roll.
You're still posting, walt? I thought you would have quit in embarassment by now, like frank.
Amazing. First they [ACORN] support the murder of 12m innocent black children through abortion. Now they support pedophilia, sex slavery, and tax evasion. Just bringin it to your level Walt.
like I said joe, I'm with tory on this one……""I know that, if I were in that situation, I would talk with them, gain their trust, find out everything I could……"
that's exactly what I would have done
sorry
"Who's the Pimp?"
http://www.counterpunch.org/mokhiber09222009.html
from the story…."Earlier this month, a Pfizer unit pled guilty to a felony in connection with a major health care fraud and paid $2.3 billion in fines." That's not a fine….that's a tax
larry d.,
I'm not the least bit embarassed by anything I have posted. I simply get too disgusted by the inanity of what passes for political discourse from time to time and decide to spend my time in more productive ways. Too many posters at both of these blogs seem more interested in arguing over which party is more corrupt and less representative of people's needs. It's as if the subject was sports with each poster defending their favorite team. The reality is that they are both corrupt and represent only their moneyed sponsors. These arguments only serve as a distraction much in the same way as a magician uses misdirection to fool his audience. In actuality, we are the victims of our own myths about this country. We see ourselves in a Norman Rockwell type of environment where our horizons are limitless and our goals are pure and noble, where neither is true. Unfortunately, neither party is willing to deliver the bad news to the public that we are broke and that government policy, domestic and foreign, is designed to maintain an imperial stranglehold over people within and outside of this country.
You seem to have enough time upon your hands to act as the resident troll on these sites. Your snarky comments shed no light on the subject, and it is sometimes tempting to engage you as you tend to lead with your chin. But it is a waste of my time and just leaves me feeling slightly soiled. So, I wish you the best of luck on your continuing efforts at trying to make yourself feel clever.
Thanks for checking in, frank. I was worried that you had become dismayed because all your parrot talking points had been debunked.
larry d.,
We both know that your "debunking" abilities are limited to dragging your pathetic ass out of bed. If you had even a modicum of introspection, you would notice that your ad hominem attacks appear to be the projection of a small, deservedly insecure man. So take your worry, dismay, and your parrot, and find another way to boost your self-esteem.
You crack me up, frank. Don't feel humiliated.
……""I know that, if I were in that situation, I would talk with them, gain their trust, find out everything I could……"
That's great for you and tory Walt however you aren't them and they aren't you and that isn't what they were doing. They were fired because they were conspiring to break the law.
frank says, "we are broke and that government policy, domestic and foreign, is designed to maintain an imperial stranglehold over people"
Then how can you be a liberal Democrat, frank ? They want to increase the stranglehold over the people more than anyone else. It's like falling in love with your kidnapper.