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Health Care Facts And Falsehoods

by Da King on September 4, 2009

in Uncategorized, health care

Republicans are lying about health care reform. Democrats are lying about health care reform. The media isn't helping much to inform us. The media prefers to focus on contention at townhall meetings rather than the facts about health care reform. I guess that makes for better ratings. Infotainment.

So, what's a citizen to believe ? I think I've found something that will help a bit.

I received an e-mail from an obviously right-wing source a few days ago. The e-mail purported to expose 48 "facts" about the H.R. 3200 health care reform bill. I thought this e-mail sounded mighty suspect, so I did a little checking. As it turned out, Annenberg Factcheck had already done a point-by-point debunking of the e-mail, which Factcheck said originated from a single conservative blogger. Of the 48 claims from the blogger, Factcheck found 26 to be false, 18 to be misleading or partly true, and only 4 to be completely true.

What was most interesting about Factcheck's debunking was not the fact that the conservative blogger did a lot more misreading of H.R. 3200 than accurate reporting on it. I already know both opponents and advocates of the health care bill are engaged in deception. What was interesting about Factcheck's reporting was how much information it imparted about H.R. 3200, more than I have discovered elsewhere. You can learn more about health care reform there than from watching network news for months. That's why I'm bringing it up here. It's long, but definitely worth reading.

If you have lots of free time on your hands, you can also read H.R. 3200 in it's entirety, all 1,017 pages of it. Good luck. I haven't read it, but if you do read H.R. 3200, that will put you more in-the-know than the majority of Congress. They're too busy to read bills. They just vote on them (not that anything could go wrong there).

Because I'm a lot more interested in what IS in the health care bill than what isn't, I'd like to present some of those facts. These will consist of the blogger's claims and Factcheck's findings:

Claim: Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll Claim: Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll.

Both Partly True. The bill requires employers either to offer private health insurance coverage or pay a percentage of their payroll expenses to help finance a public plan. The 8 percent payment would indeed apply to employers with payrolls over $400,000 in the previous year, and lesser amounts would apply to smaller firms. Those with payrolls of $250,000 or less would pay nothing. But the penalty isn’t incurred if an employer "does not offer the public option," as the e-mail claims. Rather, it’s a penalty for not offering health insurance to employees.

Claim: Page 167: Any individual who doesn’t have acceptable health care (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.

True. This is the mechanism in the bill to enforce the individual mandate requiring everyone to have insurance. A person who doesn’t have insurance that meets minimum benefit standards (or other acceptable coverage, such as a plan that was grandfathered in) would pay a penalty of 2.5 percent of modified adjusted gross income for the year. The total penalty can’t exceed a national average premium for individual coverage, or family coverage if applicable

These are the essential provisions in H.R. 3200 to achieve universal health insurance. The government will FORCE many businesses to provide health insurance, and will FORCE individuals to buy it, or sizable penalties will be imposed. See how easy that was ? Government force works every time. How many jobs will be lost with the added cost mandates on business, I can't tell you, so I'll just say LOTS. Lucky we're not in a recession or anything, where this type of new government burden on business would REALLY hurt. To refresh your memories, remember that Barack Obama said on the campaign trail last year that he would NOT force people to buy health insurance. Oh well. I guess that was just more silly campaign rhetoric. We don't expect our politicians to tell us the truth when they're campaigning, and the majority of the mainstream media doesn't seem to care if Obama tells the truth ever.

Claim: Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No “judicial review” is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.

Half true. It’s true that page 124 forbids any review by the courts of rates the government would pay to doctors and hospitals under the new “public option” insurance plan. But there’s no mention of “price fixing” in the bill; that’s the e-mail author’s phrase. It also remains to be seen if the “public option” plan would grow to become a “government monopoly,” as the author predicts.

Claim: Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.

Misleading. Nothing in the bill would “set wages” for doctors in general. Page 127 says the government would ask doctors to accept below-market rates set by the government for their patients who are covered by a new “public health insurance option,” just as they now are asked to do so for patients covered by Medicare. Physicians would still be free to charge what they wish for other patients, and free not to accept patients covered by the new program just as they are now free to refuse Medicare patients. That’s not a choice many doctors make, however, so as a practical matter the government would be setting rates (not “wages”) for many patients. On the other hand, the new “public” plan is aimed mainly at covering people who have no insurance now and can afford to pay doctors little if anything.

This is very informative. It tells you the government will set prices below market rates for the public option, as it does currently with Medicare, and no court can review the government's actions (so much for checks and balances). The private insurers cannot do this. This is how the public option will undercut private insurers. Factcheck says it remains to be seen if this will lead to a government health care monopoly, but c'mon now. That's disingenuous. The whole idea of the public option is to undercut private insurers and produce a single-payer system over time. It isn't about competition, as the Democrats keep telling us, because there is no way for private insurers to compete in such an environment. This tells you how they will achieve single-payer, and price-fixing is exactly what it is. For example, do you know any seniors who AREN'T on Medicare ? Of course you don't. Will any uninsured individual choose more expensive private insurance over a cheaper public option ? Of course they won't. And just as Medicare drives up the health care costs for all non-Medicare patients (because doctors don't profit from the low Medicare reimbursement rates), the public option will drive up the health care costs for all non-public option patients, putting private insurers at an even bigger disadvantage. It's beyond obvious what the public option is all about. I just wish the Dems would admit it instead of insulting our collective intelligence. The public option will lead to a government takeover of the health insurance market, and to far greater government control of the entire health care industry. That's not right-wing spin, it's economic reality.

Claim: Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.

False. It’s true that employers would be required to sign up their workers for coverage automatically, but it doesn’t have to be the “public plan.” It would be the employer-offered plan “with the lowest applicable employee premium” (pages 147- 148). This would only be the "public option" if the employer was eligible to buy coverage through the Health Insurance Exchange (not likely, at least during the first two years when only small businesses would have access), and the "public option" was the cheapest plan (which would be likely). Furthermore, while the employer isn’t given an alternative, the workers are. They may reject auto-enrollment under an opt-out provision (page 148).

Initially, the public option will be chosen by uninsured individuals and small businesses, because it will be cheaper. Notice that it's only during the first two years that bigger businesses will not have access to the public option. Any questions about what will happen after those first two years ???? Do you think the business sector will stick with higher insurance costs, or abandon them in favor of the lower cost public option as soon as they can ????? Anyone who has ever run a business knows the answer to that. Business always chooses to reduce it's overhead whenever it can, in order to remain competitive. There really won't be any other choice for businesses to make but to enroll in the public option.

Now, I'd like to look into my economic crystal ball and predict what would happen next.

Let's assume that the whole country is on the public option (single payer) some years down the road, and the government has fixed the prices below the market, as it does now with Medicare. What do you suppose the effect on the availability of medical care will be when ALL medical care is forced below market price, and the doctors have no way to make up the difference ??? Economics 101 tells us what will happen, via the laws of supply and demand. They are in effect with health care as much as in every other economic area. We will be increasing the numbers of the insured dramatically (increasing demand). While the government will not specifically control doctor's wages, by all doctors being paid less for medical services, the government WILL control those doctor's wages through indirect means, and lower doctor's wages, combined with less reimbursement for all medical services will result in……….anyone, anyone ???………FEWER DOCTORS AND OTHER MEDICAL RESOURCES (less supply), which will result in……..anyone, anyone ???………..LESS AVAILABILITY OF MEDICAL CARE, which will result in………anyone, anyone ???……….RATIONING. Just like England. Just like Canada. So, while there is no specific health care rationing contained in H.R. 3200, the economic reality associated with altering the laws of supply and demand would inexorably lead to it.

At that point, I imagine some government drone would start calling for tax increases to subsidize doctors, in order to fix the medical care shortage problem that the government created. That same government drone would no doubt decry the failure of the free market (the free market that the government obliterated). We just saw what happened when the government manipulated the housing market for political ends. Do we want a repeat with medical care, where our very lives are on the line ? Or can the true answer to health care reform be found in precisely the opposite direction the Democrats are going ? Instead of regulating the free market out of existence, perhaps we should open it up and let it work (we don't have a free market in health care now), with only some market bearable cost controls in place. I'll leave it for you to decide. I know what I'd choose. I'd like to be able to select my own type of health care coverage, rather than have the government decide what's best for me. I can do that. I'm all grown up now.

{ 21 comments… read them below or add one }

The Reverend September 4, 2009 at 9:45 am

Thanks for enlightening me. Your post would explain why all those Canadian doctors have left Canada, and Canadians no longer have ANY health care at all. Funny though, I don't recall seeing Canadians flocking to our border to find a doctor. Must have missed that.

I did appreciate your post, however.

The mandate is FOR the sake of insurance and pharma companies. A public competitive option will, no doubt, NOT be in the final bill. Can kicking "triggers" are now all the rage with President Olympia Snowe.

So, what we'll get…..all things being equal….is what BIG MONEY wants. Mandated coverage with little restraints and no competition. A Republican plan mainly benefitting BIG MONEY….just like the GOP's Medicare Plan D. 40 million new customers added to an already overpriced, bloated industry…..and no countervailing competitive rival to keep any of it in check.

But you maintain…..that the bill will eliminate the private health insurance sector altogether. That hasn't happened in other countries where both private and public insurance exist side-by -side, but then…..America is exceptional, you know, not like other nations.

roysoldboy September 4, 2009 at 11:26 am

I won't waste time agreeing with all you say because everyone here knows that I do. However, I do want to give you an example of what will happen to small businesses providing insurance or telling their workers to go public.

My sons work for a small business that has a few more than 100 employees in four different towns. The business is very large in terms of money taken in each year and is expanding a couple more dealerships (John Deere) every 5 years or so. Anyway let's just use 100 as a number of employees. They would come in over the $400,000 amount so get to pay the 8% fine. They only pay 1/2 of employees monthly insurance payments and that makes the single payment (most are married) about $2000 per year, in rounded numbers. If you figure that very low number for the 100 employees that amounts to about $200,000, I think. Figure the 8% or about $500,000 and you will get $40,000. You tell me which choice those capitalistic people will take. Even Rev and a couple of others here can see that the 8% won't be much of a penalty. In fact it may well be over $150,000 more profit per year.

If that example doesn't provide proof that pretty soon after this bill goes into effect there won't be any insurance companies in business, I don't know what it would take.

The words aren't there in the bill but the implications are very strong. I just got my AARP newspaper the other day and their arguments for this monstrosity are so ridiculous and full of holes that they convinced me that my membership that runs out this month won't be renewed. They aren't sticking up for those of us who are on Medicare because the law says we must be, but they are sticking up for Obamacare. Have you seen the CEO of AARP? I am wondering if there may be some racism involved there. I am constantly called racist because I didn't vote for Obama so maybe there is a form of it involved,

Tbomb September 4, 2009 at 11:30 am

I just want to know where the "death panel" stuff is in the bill, since I don't presently have time to read the whole thing….you know, the part that that straight talkin Sarah Palin was warnin all us real Americans about(wink wink).

roysoldboy September 4, 2009 at 11:33 am

***But you maintain…..that the bill will eliminate the private health insurance sector altogether. That hasn't happened in other countries where both private and public insurance exist side-by -side, but then…..America is exceptional, you know, not like other nations.***

With those words, Rev, you told me a lot that I tried to point out the weakness of your reasoning. Maybe our Congress needs to get their hands on the laws that the European countries have used to maintain both services. The wording to do that is not in any of the bills I have seen offered.

You are right about Canadians not flooding over the boundary line. The other day I heard one of them who when told he had about 97% blockage in all six heart arteries, and was also told that he would have to wait about 8 – 12 months for a bypass. I can promise you from personal experience that he didn't have that long unless care is rationed in Canada, and he wasn't going to last that long, anyway. The testing hospital took him to an ambulance, and hustled him over the line to Detroit where the surgery was performed. Naw, they don't have rationing in Canada and naw coming across the border never even enters their minds. Next day and 8 – 12 months sounds a bit rationed to me.

roysoldboy September 4, 2009 at 11:38 am

Tbomb, the words death panel aren't in the bill, of course. However, right now no doctor can be paid for informing his patients of Medicare age how to make the end of life arrangements, but the bill does have words allowing such payment every five years for Medicare patients. If you can't see what probably was meant by that no amount of explaining will help you.

That bill is full of "not in so many words" but "could conceivably be interpreted some days" and it seems that most blind supporters just can't see beyond the day of passage. Think a bit.

W September 4, 2009 at 7:05 pm

Supply and demand? Colleges of Medicine limit their enrollment, in part to maintain the scarcity of physicians keeping their demand (and pay) inflated. Lower the artificial barriers to becoming a doctor and leave it to supply and demand.

B September 5, 2009 at 7:55 am

Very Interesting. When I hear people ask their congressman, did you read the plan? I wish one of them would answer, "No. Have you looked at it? Its 1,000 pages long and it is unreadable."
Sherrod Brown had a town hall meeting and answered yes. My follow-up question would have been, did you understand it?

I leaned more about it here than I have anywhere else. Thanks.

walter September 5, 2009 at 8:51 am

King, have you read the entire bill? Or are you relying on factcheck like a congressperson would rely on their staffers?

Da King September 5, 2009 at 11:29 am

Sigh. Let's deal with the oblivious commenters first.

walter, why are you asking me a question I already answered in my post ? You want me to read a 1,017 bill, and you can't even be bothered to read the information I presented.

Ditto to Tbomb. The answer to your "death panels" question was contained in the Factcheck link.

Rev,
Good one about ObamaCare being a "Republican plan." I always enjoy the way you tell the exact opposite of the truth. Republicans didn't write the bill, Democrats did.
Your point about Canadians not "flocking" to the USA is pretty silly, nothing but a distraction. I mean, liberals keep telling me how lousy OUR medical system is, but I don't see liberals "flocking" to Canada for health care. The logistics of crossing the border (either way) for health care is mainly what prevents it. Find a new phony talking point.

Da King September 5, 2009 at 11:55 am

Now for the non-oblivious.

Rev,
The government mandate is so Obama and the Dems can say, "see, we provided health care coverage for all." Not so difficult to accomplish when the government uses force to implement it. Without the public option or an equivalent, you are correct, it's a big boon for the private health insurance companies, but I don't know how you can expect private health insurers to be on board with the public option, which has nothing to do with competition, because there is NO way for the private insurers to compete with the federal government. The public option is a means to destroy the private insurance companies. Do you seriously expect that industry to advocate for it's own destruction ?????? They'd be on board in a nanosecond if the public option is removed. Pharmaceutical companies are on board either way, because with or without the public option, they stand to benefit big time. It doesn't matter to the pharmaceutical manufacturers who the insurer is. The prescriptions get written anyway, and with universal coverage, a lot more will be written. That's why pharma is already on board.

Roy,
Thanks for the example of how the public option will destroy the private insurers. You are spot on. Thinking beyond level one (what's specifically in the bill) and into level two (what the bill will lead to) is definitely something that should be done. The other thing I know for sure at this point about ObamaCare is that I won't be able to purchase the kind of health insurance that I want (high deductible, catastrophic-only insurance that allows me to pay for my own routine health care – aka, what insurance is SUPPOSED to be for). ObamaCare is going to mandate one-size-fits-all coverage that will drive health insurance premiums way UP. This is anti-competitive in the extreme, and also what the government has been doing for decades, which, no surprise, has driven health care costs way up. If we had some true competition among insurers and a variety of different health care coverage options, we'd be able to start driving health care costs DOWN, but no, the big government types always see only themselves of the arbiters of what is right.

Da King September 5, 2009 at 11:58 am

W,
I'm not aware that medical schools limit enrollment, at least not below their capacity. It seems to me that full classrooms would equate to profitable medical schools, and half-filled classrooms wouldn't.

B,
Thanks. I thought there was some good info in the links too. That's why I posted it.

The Reverend September 5, 2009 at 12:20 pm

Don't get me wrong. I want private health insurers to go out of business.

The Obama bill, even if a public option miraculously got through, will not affect the greedmongers for another 30 years. Hell, the plan won't start for 5 years, if they pass it.

This is being setup as a windfall giveaway…..domestic Halliburton kind of thing.

Da King September 6, 2009 at 9:43 am

Do you want the private food and housing producers to go out of business also ? They profit by providing basic human needs.

averagejoe5 September 6, 2009 at 5:03 pm

Rev, many of these rich evil companies give more to the Dem party than the Republican party.
Why are you making a big deal and critizing the fact that citizens are concerned and if they don't trust the govt or want to become communists like your plan they are considered nuts. h
Have you looked at the whole bill? Do you understand it all? Is the whole thing beneficial you me as well as you? Or is it somethingt that I will end up paying through the nose for and getting less coverage. I listened to Al Franken yesterday talk to some people that were discussing health care. It was a good back and forth exchange and believe it or not I gained new respect for him. Even he is against some of the parts of the house bill. Unless he is lying.

Tory Bug September 6, 2009 at 11:18 pm

TFS this, King. I agree that there is much disinformation being thrown at this issue from either side of the aisle, and I thank you for giving us a resource to further educate ourselves on the matter.

Actually, to one of the things I scanned as I started to write, I was reading that many Canadians who can't get timely medical treatment in their own country bypass the US due to high expenses and travel to countries like Mexico or India when they need to leave the country for treatment. (http://www.canadianbusiness.com/managing/strategy/article.jsp?content=20080818_198706_198706) From what I understand, Americans do it, too, sometimes when they can't afford the cost of a given treatment in the US (http://www.medpagetoday.com/Surgery/GeneralSurgery/6404) or for elective procedures that very few insurance policies cover and that are too expensive here in the states, like fertility and plastic surgery (http://flash.lakeheadu.ca/~kyu/E4111/Fertility.pdf).

Da King September 9, 2009 at 5:22 am

Tory, you know what I'm wondering ? How is Obama giving a "detailed" speech about the health care plan on wednesday, when there are like five different health care plans floating around the Senate and House, and they aren't even completely finished yet ? Doesn't there actually have to BE one plan selected before you go into detail about it ? I guess we'll soon find out.

walter September 10, 2009 at 6:55 am

from tory's link……

With the exception of a few hundred privately funded surgical, cosmetic and medical-imaging clinics located mainly in British Columbia and Quebec, health-care delivery in Canada has remained largely in the public domain. Fears of two-tier medicine — including the migration of doctors and nurses to the more lucrative for-profit sector, lack of cost containment in a private system, and the gradual delisting of medically necessary services currently funded by the provinces — have helped maintain the status quo. After all, few would want to see Canada move toward a privatized U.S.-style model of health care, where about 50 million people are without medical insurance.

“Americanizing” our system may not be an answer. But critics of Canada’s existing medicare model say we should be considering a mix of health-care solutions from other countries. In places such as France, Switzerland and Germany — where private financing and for-profit providers play a greater role — wait times for elective surgeries are not an issue.

Da King September 10, 2009 at 7:55 am

walt, we already have a mix of private and public health care in this country. The price-controlled public part (Medicare/Medicaid) has driven up the cost of private health care and left us with unsustainable entitlement liabilities. Obama was correct last night when he said "Medicare is the deficit." It's a big part of it. But then Obama turns around and wants to make those liabilities vastly larger by moving people into the public option. Obama also announced $500 billion in Medicare cuts. A Republican President would be crucified if he did that, but somehow not a peep is made when Obama does it.

I think there's always going to be a trade-off between wait times for treatment and universal coverage. Still, I agree with universal coverage. That's the moral thing to do, and Obama is right about uninsured people going to emergency rooms for more expensive treatment when it's not necessary.

walter September 10, 2009 at 10:09 am

Baucus has declined to release details. But people involved in the talks said the plan would make more than $500 billion worth of changes to Medicare over the next decade, charging wealthy seniors more for prescription drug coverage, cutting $120 billion in payments to private insurance companies that serve some seniors and trimming projected payments to hospitals by $155 billion in an effort to spur efficiencies.

They GAO says medicare is a government run program that is highly susceptable to fraud. One estimate says it costs medicare $40 BILLION per year.

this from an NBC news report….

"MIAMI, Florida – On an FBI undercover tape, the fraud was plain to see: A patient came to a South Florida AIDS clinic, signed some papers, walked into an office and was handed $150 in cash. She politely thanked the workers and left, her visit to the doctor finished without ever receiving any treatment.

According to records seized by investigators, the office staff (who was assured of the patient's cooperation) used her name to fraudulently bill Medicare for a list of expensive treatment and medications.

Law enforcement officials said it's just one of the many widespread, organized and lucrative schemes to bilk Medicare out of an estimated $60 billion dollars a year — a staggering cost borne by American taxpayers."

from the story"….her visit to the doctor …."a doctor was involved?

Da King September 14, 2009 at 8:23 am

I pretty much agree. It makes me wonder why we want to turn our health care system over to a government that has allowed such rampant Medicare fraud.

And $500 billion in Medicare cuts with NO reductions in services ? That doesn't pass the logic test.

antioxidants September 30, 2009 at 3:54 am

excellent blog post, made me think, thanks

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