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One of the most disturbing things about Barack Obama is not Obama himself, but rather some of the people around him, including several people he has put into positions of authority. I've already detailed the radical nature of a couple Obama administration personnel, Science Czar John Holdren and FCC Diversity Officer Mark Lloyd. Holdren has a number of crazy beliefs, among them being the idea that the U.S. Constitution doesn't entitle people to have children. Holdren declared “neither the Declaration of Independence nor the Constitution mentions a right to reproduce" in his 1977 book, Ecoscience. Evidently, Holdren missed the second sentence in the Declaration of Independence – "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." In Holdren's defense, he only attended MIT and Stanford. Maybe they don't teach the basics at those elite schools. I don't know. I could only afford to go to Podunk University in Backwater, USA (so I am oppressed and demand reparations ! Just kidding. My inner whiny liberal took over for a second there). Yet, somehow I know the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution better than Holdren does. I must have read about it on a bathroom wall somewhere, or maybe at a gun show.

Mark Lloyd is another elite. He was a professor at Georgetown and a visiting lecturer at MIT prior to becoming a Hugo Chavez-loving Nazi hell-bent on destroying free speech on America's airwaves. Here's a quote from the well-educated Professor Lloyd:

It should be clear by now that my focus here is not freedom of speech or the press. . . . This freedom is all too often an exaggeration. . . . At the very least, blind references to freedom of speech or the press serve as a distraction from the critical examination of other communications policies.”

Yes, Mr. Lloyd, it certainly IS clear that your focus is not free speech. That's why you should take the Che poster down from the wall of your office, clean out your desk, and go peddle your commie crap someplace like Cuba or Venezuela, but not here. Not in this country. We still call this the land of the free, not the land of government diktat.

Another Communist in the Obama administration is the eminent Van Jones, the Green Jobs Czar. Mr. Jones went to Yale, so he's a real smart fellow, just like the other radical nutjobs I've mentioned. Jones claims to have been radicalized by the Rodney King verdict. By his own words, that drove him to embrace Marxism. I can't say I follow Mr. Jones' logic there, but like I said, I'm not one of the elite. To me, embracing communism because of a perceived American civil rights injustice is like jumping out of an airplane in flight because you don't like your seat. It's a hysterical and moronic overreaction. Maybe Jones doesn't realize that, under Communism, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CIVIL RIGHTS to begin with. What a boob, er, I mean, deep thinker. Liberal groups have been claiming that Jones radical Communist days are behind him, but here's Van Jones in April, 2009:

"This [green] movement is deeper than a solar panel! Deeper than a solar panel! Don't stop there! Don't stop there! We're gonna change the whole system! We're gonna change the whole thing. We're not gonna put a new battery in a broken system. We want a new system. We want a new system!…And our Native American sisters and brothers who were pushed and bullied and mistreated and shoved into all the land we didn't want, where it was all hot and windy. Well, guess what? Renewable energy? Guess what, solar industry? Guess what wind industry? They now own and control 80 percent of the renewable energy resources. No more broken treaties. No more broken treaties. Give them the wealth! Give them the wealth! Give them the dignity. Give them the respect that they deserve. No justice on stolen land. We owe them a debt…What about our immigrant sisters and brothers? What about our immigrant sisters and brothers? What about people who come here from all around the world who we're willing to have out in the field, with poison being sprayed on them, poison being sprayed on them because we have the wrong agricultural system. And we're willing to poison them and poison the earth to put food on our table, but we don't want to give them rights and we don't want to give them dignity and we don't want to give them respect?…We're really entering a third wave of environmentalism in the United States. The white polluters and the white environmentalists are essentially steering poison into the people of color communities."

Sounds to me like Jones is still a radical, and a race-baiter to boot. Whitey is poisoning people of color ????? We need to change the whole system ? Into what, Mr. Marxist ? Glenn Beck has been on a tirade against Van Jones for awhile now, and a group Van Jones founded, Color Of Change, has been trying to get Beck kicked off the air (which kinda proves Jones is a Communist. That's what Communists do, silence the opposition. They aren't about the free and open exchange of ideas, in case anyone hasn't figured that out yet).

The next commie-loving race-baiter on the radical hit parade isn't a member of Obama's administration, but her stupidity merits recognition. Her name is Diane Watson, Democratic Congresswoman from California. This woman LOVES her some Fidel Castro, and is so lost in identity politics that she can't even think straight. Dig it:

"You might have heard their philosophical leader. I think his name is Rush Limbaugh. And he said early on, “I hope that he fails.”…And remember: They are spreading fear and they are trying to see that the first president that looks likes me fails [Watson is black]…. just want you to know: People look at the United States as a country that has changed its way and has elected someone from Kenya and Kansas, I’ll put it like that. And they’re saying, “We thought you would never do that.” So we don’t want to have this young man, and he just turned 48 — we want him to succeed, because when he succeeds, we regain our status. We regain our status….

It was just mentioned to me by our esteemed speaker, “Did anyone say anything about the Cuban health system?”

And lemme tell ya, before you say “Oh, it’s a commu–”, you need to go down there and see what Fidel Castro put in place. And I want you to know, now, you can think whatever you want to about Fidel Castro, but he was one of the brightest leaders I have ever met. [APPLAUSE]

And you know, the Cuban revolution that kicked out the wealthy, Che Guevara did that, and then, after they took over, they went out among the population to find someone who could lead this new nation, and they found…well, just leave it there (laughs), an attorney by the name of Fidel Castro…"

First of all, Ms. Watson, we are allowed to oppose Obama's policies, even though he looks like you. His skin color is completely irrelevant, except to those like yourself who are too blind to see anything else. These race-based comments are really just attempts at thought suppression. There's no other way to view them.

About Cuba, yes, please, let's "go down there and see what Fidel Castro put in place." I believe the generally accepted term for it is OPPRESSION, along with a health dose of POVERTY, as happens with all Communist states. Cuba is a police state. Fortunately, the Democratic primary challenger for Watson's congressional seat doesn't share Watson's myopic view of Cuban health care. Let's vote him into office.

The final person on today's list is Cass Sunstein, Obama's Regulatory Czar. This guy is an intellectual heavyweight. He's a former Harvard Law Professor, and an expert in constitutional law, environmental law, and behavioral economics. I'm not certain how radical he is, because he's a complex man, but he has at least some very confused ideas. Here are a few of his elite ramblings:

“Much of the time, the United States seems to have embraced a confused and pernicious form of individualism. This approach endorses rights of private property and freedom of contract, and respects political liberty, but claims to distrust ‘government intervention’ and insists that people must fend for themselves. This form of so-called individualism is incoherent, a tangle of confusions"

This is quite the straw man argument. I don't know of a single person who doesn't think the government has a legitimate role to play. Government is uniquely qualified for certain roles, and those were laid out in the very beginning by the Constitution. What I distrust is GOVERNMENT INTRUDING INTO EVERY ASPECT OF SOCIETY, as it has been doing by gradual degree for my entire lifetime. And Mr. Sunstein, individualism is not "pernicious." Railing against it is.

"A system of limitless individual choices, with respect to communications, is not necessarily in the interest of citizenship and self-government"

This is Sunstein endorsing the Fairness Doctrine in order to control political speech. Looks like we have another nut who doesn't believe in free speech.

I just LOVE this next Sunstein quote. Love it.

“In what sense is the money in our pockets and bank accounts fully ‘ours’? Did we earn it by our own autonomous efforts? Could we have inherited it without the assistance of probate courts? Do we save it without the support of bank regulators? Could we spend it if there were no public officials to coordinate the efforts and pool the resources of the community in which we live?… Without taxes there would be no liberty. Without taxes there would be no property. Without taxes, few of us would have any assets worth defending. [It is] a dim fiction that some people enjoy and exercise their rights without placing any burden whatsoever on the public fisc. … There is no liberty without dependency. That is why we should celebrate tax day …”

Did we earn our own money ? Um, YES.
Did we earn it by our own efforts ? YES.
Could we have inherited it without probate courts ? YES.
Could we save it without bank regulators ? YES. (We could even save it without banks).
Could we spend it without public officials ? YES.

Sunstein sounds like the typical government drone, who thinks absolutely everything is derived from government. Wrong.

"Without taxes there would be no liberty," says Sunstein. To an extent, this is true, because taxation supports the government, which exists to secure our liberties. As George Washington said, "Freedom is not free." I think everyone agrees with that much. But should we "celebrate tax day" when our resources are stripped from us to pay for everything under the sun that the government can dream up, waaay beyond securing our liberty ? I think not. Should we celebrate pork barrel spending, special interest handouts, bailouts of the big corporations, the ripoff of our own Social Security system, private jets for congresspersons, trillions of dollars in unfunded liabilities ? That would be NO. "Celebrate tax day," indeed. I'd almost as soon celebrate the day burglars broke into my home and stole my television, stereo, and my wife's jewelry. I never once thanked those burglars for helping to redistribute my wealth, nor will I thank the government for stealing my paycheck for unconstitutional purposes. Government exists to secure our liberties, not to rip them away.

  • roysoldboy

    Now King you know that the Reverend will soon be in here with all his really great left leaning support for these guys. You don't suppose he might just stay away until he sees how this one is going? Naw, that isn't going to happen. You know the Fairness Doctrine and all, that applies to being fair to lefties.

    Great job, King. I am not sure you added anything that I haven't hear day after day the past week from Glenn Beck but then the administration has done a good job of whitewashing these people and all of them did say, and it is documented, all the things you quoted. I have heard all of them say the very things you quoted. It seems that maybe they need to keep television cameras out of the halls where they speak.

  • Da King

    I've heard Beck tearing into Van Jones, but not the others so much. I don't watch him every day, but every time I have for the last couple weeks, he was going after Jones. I don't blame him, since Jones is trying to get Beck off the air. I hate that censorship crap.

    I'm going to be in D.C. on 9/11 and 9/12, btw, and I've been in Virginia for the last month. I wonder how many people will show up for the protest ? Lots, I hope.

  • The Reverend

    Keep up the good work, King. Worldwide communism raised the white flag decades ago, so it makes perfect wingnut sense that the mysteriously exotic, new socialist president would be packing his administration with secret commies.

    Then you wind up agreeing with what one of these secret commies said.

    Hard to make that stuff up….so congratulations on a job well done.

    Have fun at Glenn Beck's national hate-Obama-and-the-Democrats day.

  • averagejoe5

    Communisim/Socialism is far from over, in fact there is a new resurgence. Did you see the new party in Japan?

  • The Reverend

    average, you and I may not like it….but it's a world economy now. Everybody trades with everybody and there's no stopping it. That means that capitalism has won. Once greed kicks in worldwide, as it is doing today, communism will be little more than a dusty old nostalgic memory.

    You know, can't keep 'em down on the farm after they've seen Paris, and all that.

  • Fred

    OH MY GAWD! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! It`s mighty wings spread above us…The Russian eagle is flying high…The Fatherland`s tricolor symbol….Is leading Russia`s peoples to victory. P.S. The Russian flag is red, white, and blue you know!

  • larry d.

    It looks like no one can come up with a good excuse to explain away Obama's legion of creepy czars.

    I know walt's been on the problem for a couple weeks now but nothing yet.

  • Fred

    Ya know, csar, tsar…. IT`S RUSSIAN! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

  • The Irreverend

    This is all because Obama is black! The Schrub [sic] and the Dick had plenty of corrupt advisors, but it was all OK back then. You're all torture loving, tea bagging Wingnuts!

    - brb – Olbermann on…

  • Da King

    Rev,
    If communism is over, why are the Dems I named praising it ? Tell them about your revelation, not me. They don't appear to know there's no such thing as communism anymore. They appear to be pushing for it.

    And maybe you didn't notice, but what I did was QUOTE various Dems and Obama admin personnel. You offered nothing to counter any of it. Kudos to larry for noticing.

    "Have fun at Glenn Beck's national hate-Obama-and-the-Democrats day."

    Poor Rev. You buy into every last bit of left-wing propaganda, don't you ? This isn't about hating anyone. This is about opposing the big government policies that are bankrupting our country. If you ever actually watched Glenn Beck's show, instead of only watching ten second clips of it on Olbermann, you'd know that.

  • Da King

    The Irreverend. I like it.

  • Fred

    Union of Soviet Socialist Republics……I mean the USA.

  • Andrea

    Now you 've really gone off the deep end and joined the right wing nuts

  • larry d.

    Not even one of King's quotes or arguments can be explained away?

  • Da King

    Looks like they got nothin', larry. Not even one coherent response.

  • roysoldboy

    King, you have blown THEM into their normal, can't fight back for all the truth position where they resort to the old lefty standard operating procedure of name calling and attempts to prove that left thinking is, afterall, superior. Elitism I call it. I can call names, also.

  • walter
  • averagejoe5

    Folks, just read the wikipedia article on the communist manifesto and you will see what is happening. This hasn't just started with Obama, however it is escalating quickly right now. No one hates Obama because he is black either, that is an ignorant statement FROM a racist. Open your eyes.

    King I think I have figured out why the left fail to see what is happening. They want this, it benefits them, just as the Russian proletariats and the Cuban Revolutionaries wanted their government mommy. Most on the left lead lives that are always full of strife and conflict with a "poor me" attitude. They usually live paycheck to paycheck and complain about not making enough money while having all of their toys purchased on credit of some form because they need instant gratification.
    They feel that because the management of their company makes more money than they do they are "hogging" all of the money and being unfair. Yet they won't go the extra yard to help their boss so that they get noticed and get promoted so that they can make more money. They feel they are owed because they exist. They also refuse to get a second job to pay for the debt they have built. If their company doesn't offer OT they are sh*t out of luck, because when they rationalized that big purchase they included overtime.(which isn't guaranteed. Nor is their job.) Folks, their is never a shortage of money in the universe, only in your world unkess you have done something to create more money. It isn't someone's responsiblity to share more of their money with anyone (forcefully). It is your responsibility to create more money for yourself.
    I love when they get mad at their company when it closes. They think that the managers wanted to move overseas to make a bigger profit. after all their political leaders villanize the companies and exploited the huge bonus' the top guys or owners recived. What they don't realize that in the industrial realm of things their government has whored and gutted these companies and have driven them to leave just to survive. IT IS the govts fault that their jobs left not the size of the top guys bonus'. It's taxes and fees and EPA extortion as well as all the rest of the costs. And apparently they have personal reasons because their leaders signed legislation like NAFTA and CAFTA.
    America is the only country where the guy with nothing can become a millionaire or a billionaire. They can have it all. Big house, new cars, money, great family, great life!. They have to get past their beliefs that they can't do it and that somone must give them a job and a living. If the left thinks times are rough now, look at the history of the what happened when things did get socialized and communized.

  • larry d.

    No one knows how many there are, walt. That's part of the point.

    But why does he need so many, and why can't you even attempt to answer?

  • walter

    larry sez……"No one knows how many there are……"

    then he sez……."But why does he need so many……."

    what's "many"?

  • walter

    from the rightweb article…..

    After the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Ross supported the advocacy work of PNAC, a neoconservative-led letterhead group that advocated overthrowing Saddam Hussein in response to the attacks, even if he was not tied to the them. [38] Ross signed two PNAC open letters on the situation in post-war Iraq, both published in March 2003. The first of these, “Statement on Post-War Iraq,” was issued on March 19, 2003, the day before the United States began its invasion. The letter argued that Iraq should be seen as the first step in a larger reshaping of the region’s political landscape, contending that the invasion and rebuilding of Iraq could “contribute decisively to the democratization of the wider Middle East.”

    I wonder how many libertarians (hell, let's make that Americans) would have supported the invasion of Iraq if the stated purpose was to re-shape the regions political landscape?

  • The Reverend

    There's nothing to counter in King's post. Obama, a Democratic president appoints people to do jobs, much as every president has. If a president didn't appoint people to do jobs, nothing would get accomplished and then conservatives would call that president a do-nothing president, of course, unless it was a GOP president.

    Who cares about the title czar? I don't. But conservatives who have been grasping at nearly anything normal to abuse Obama with……seem to get all worked up about titles now.

    We had a $14 trillion capitalistic machine going until the Bushies blew it all up. Some communist threat, that.

  • Da King

    walter,
    You didn't know the reason for the Iraq war was to democratize the area ? I thought everybody knew that. That's what Bush meant when he said he was tired of swatting flies. He wanted to make big changes in the Middle East. The democratization of Iraq was also a stated reason for the war, stated by Bush himself. I thought it was a huge mistake, because I didn't think the area COULD be democratized. I may be proven wrong about that. I hope so. The wmd's and other reasons for the Iraq war were just the excuse.

  • Da King

    Rev,
    So, you're saying Obama either had to appoint these radicals, or not appoint anyone. LOL. That's a good one.

  • Da King

    joe,
    Are you familiar with how the California farmers can't get any water to grow their crops because the enviro-nitwits want to save a two-inch smelt ? If not, check it out. That story will make your blood boil. Some of the best farmland in the country is sitting and going to waste, and the farmers are going broke.

  • Da King

    Rev says, "We had a $14 trillion capitalistic machine going until the Bushies blew it all up"

    Um, refresh my memory. How did Bush blow it up ?

  • larry d.

    "I wonder how many libertarians (hell, let's make that Americans) would have supported the invasion of Iraq if the stated purpose was to re-shape the regions political landscape?"

    This was a clear goal from the start, walt. Bush talked about it in his most famous speech. It's why invading was a good idea, and we'll be seeing the benefits in coming years if Obama doesn't muck it all up.

  • Fred

    The Reds are coming! The Reds are coming! The Reds are coming! Oh, know what? The CCCP is dead, what I mean to say is C-H-I-N-A! I mean North Korea! Uh-Oh, I mean Cuba! Oh hell, I forgot that there are so many tsars, czars, tzars, it HAS to be Russia.

  • Da King

    larry,
    I found out yesterday that Van Jones is also a 9/11 Truther, along with Michael Moore, Janeane Garofolo, and the rest of the Gang That Can't Think Straight. Jones was one of the Free Mumia (the cop killer) crowd too. This guy is just an all-around dope.

  • Da King

    larry,
    Update – I just read that Van Jones is now saying he doesn't agree with the 9/11 Truther petition THAT HE SIGNED. Beck has Jones tied in knots.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/03/unbelievable-van-jones-says-911-petition-didnt-reflect-his-views/

  • alchemist
  • The Reverend

    Want to see revisionism done in real time? Then re-read this from larry….

    "This was a clear goal from the start, walt. Bush talked about it in his most famous speech. It's why invading was a good idea, and we'll be seeing the benefits in coming years if Obama doesn't muck it all up."

    The only "clear goal from the start" was deceiving Americans into believing Saddam was a threat to the U.S. ….that's why we heard all the "mushroom cloud" and "WMD" scaremongering. walter is right is saying that Congress and Americans wouldn't have been in favor of imperialistic adventurism for the sake of democratization nonsense.

    That's why the neo-cons had to pull a fast one by manipulating the intelligence and defrauding the American public over the justification for Cheney's wet-dream.

    And wasn't Bush's "most famous speech" the one where he had to retract the "16 words" because…umm…they were a lie?

  • roysoldboy

    Fred, you need to take advantage of your seeming opportunity to find out if the Communist Party is really dead. I will make it so easy that only ignorance or just plain old refusal to check it out is running your life. http://www.cpusa.org They may be dead but you need to tell them about it because they don't seem to know it, yet. Yep, they are still there and you might be amazed, or gladdened at the front page. Lots of hate America on that page.

  • roysoldboy

    King, I just heard a Democrat strategist say that Van Jones will likely be standing in the unemployment line by Tuesday of next week.

    If Jones is still employed by then I think the Republicans will rip at Obama more than it could ever be worth. Beck has done a great job on Jones and I think mostly because his group, ColorofChange pulled off their attempt to boycott Beck.

    Anywat when Beck said that somebody is in real trouble with that vetting job of Jones he spoke more truth than Rev can handle. The speech at the Power Shift '09 conference should have been enough to disqualify him since it was made in March, 2009. That is one of the most hate filled, racist speeches I have ever heard a public figure deliver.

    Obama was ill served by whoever vetted that man. It should have been the Secret Service for him to get into the White House, but also the FBI should have been involved. As Beck says, Obama is in trouble because of that shoddy work or because he didn't allow vetting and just took Joness in. I think that the appointments of Holdren, Sunstein and some others prove that very little vetting took place. Just having some of those people in the White House as close confidants of the President tells me too much about what is going on there.

  • roysoldboy

    alchemist, I will only tell you that I first read that "white wash job" for Van Jones at Huffington Post. They are about as left leaning as is alternet so one would expect to read those lines in either of those blogs.

    Let me suggest that Jones' speech at the Power Shift '09 should blow this whole thing all to hell. He made that speech sometime in early March and I guess if you want to hear it in its entirety I can point you at it. Beck is not involved in this one in any way. You can hear Jones whole speech right here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlOv8RCkcXE Pay particular attention at the 10 minute mark and about the 16 minute mark. Very interesting, very racist speaking there, I can promise you.

    Do you really know what Powershift '09 was. Do your own googling and listen to the speech that EPA Director, Lisa Jackson made. I think on the same page of the YouTube stuff you can hear Nasty Nancy Pelosi talking about one minute to the conference and a very informative YouTube about what is Powershift '09. I really think you need to bring yourself up to speed on these things and these words.

  • larry d.

    Go back and read Bush's big speech, Reverend. It's all in there. You fellows have been repeating lies about Iraq and Bush for so long that you've forgotten they're lies.

  • walter

    King sez….."The democratization of Iraq was also a stated reason for the war, stated by Bush himself. I thought it was a huge mistake,……."

    and yet you still supported the invasion….what kind of conviction is that?

    King then sez….."The wmd's and other reasons for the Iraq war were just the excuse." They were a fabrication to fool the…….fools. Neocons would call it the "good" or "noble" lie.

  • larry d.

    Apparently the fabrication fooled only lefties like you and Reverend, walt, as you fellows constantly repeat how wmds were the reason for the invasion. I suppose that puts you in the fool category.

  • roysoldboy

    I thought that King wrote an article about radicals in government and how they think and speak and all of a sudden I find that walter and the good Rev Red have switched it to something about Bush, Iraq and all the problems entailed therein. If that is not left leaning radical, change the subject to something we can handle I sure don't know what it is.

    This morning those fools who continue to expose the leading radical in the group, Van Jones, made a speech in which he said that you never see a Columbine type incident about blacks. No, a black kid may go to school and shoot another black but never do they try to shoot the whole school. There are those who really think that this is not racist because it is "true". I think it is a wonderful example of racist talk.

    I also think that as I look for more Jones racism I continue to find this administration full of pure racists who were appointed by Obama after making purely racist speeches. Yesterday I found the speech by Lisa Jackson, the boss of EPA, at the PowerShift '09 conference. Here whole speech is rife with racism. Then I punched around on some of the other YouTube programs on the same page and found Nasty Nancy bragging about the youth involved in that conference. Also, others talking about youth movements like that one. I think that everyone should look into that conference to see if there was a whole lot of difference in it and other socialist gatherings in history.

    Whoops, I forgot, what I learned as history in the 50s and 60s has been completely changed in schools all over the nation as more and more socialist revisionism has become the standard in textbooks and in teachers' minds. The minds of our young have been invaded by Jones types for too long and we have lost at least one generation of kids who are now in their young adult days and passing on their crap.

    Fox will repeat their show about what is in textbooks tonight at 9:00 EST in case anybody missed it last night. Surprise, surprise, surprise. One after another on that show.

  • walter

    roybot….King brought up Bush. I wondered why King didn't list radical leftist neocon Mideast Policy Czar and Iran envoy Dennis Ross as a radical. I then backed up my claim about Ross being a radical leftist neocon by citing his bio.

    then along came King doing what he does best…….being a republican apologist

  • Da King

    alchemist,
    That link didn't refute anything. It mostly just spun what Beck has actually said. Every accusation Beck has made against Van Jones came from Van Jones' own mouth or deed. There's nothing to refute, unless by "refute," you mean Van Jones apologizing for what he said and did. Jones has already apologized twice in the last week.

  • Da King

    Rev,
    You're telling tall tales again. You accused larry of fabricating when he said "This [democratization of the area] was a clear goal from the start, walt. Bush talked about it in his most famous speech." larry is not fabricating, Rev. You are. Here's part of Bush's pre-war Iraq speech:

    "The lives of Iraqi citizens would improve dramatically if Saddam Hussein were no longer in power, just as the lives of Afghanistan's citizens improved after the Taliban. The dictator of Iraq is a student of Stalin…America believes that all people are entitled to hope and human rights, to the nonnegotiable demands of human dignity. People everywhere prefer freedom to slavery, prosperity to squalor, self-government to the rule of terror and torture. America is a friend to the people of Iraq…When [our] demands are met, the first and greatest benefit will come to Iraqi men, women and children. The oppression of Kurds, Assyrians, Turkomen, Shia, Sunnis and others will be lifted, the long captivity of Iraq will end, and an era of new hope will begin. Iraq is a land rich in culture and resources and talent. Freed from the weight of oppression, Iraq's people will be able to share in the progress and prosperity of our time. If military action is necessary, the United States and our allies will help the Iraqi people rebuild their economy and create the institutions of liberty in a unified Iraq, at peace with its neighbors…The resolution will tell the United Nations, and all nations, that America speaks with one voice and it is determined to make the demands of the civilized world mean something…Like other generations of Americans, we will meet the responsibility of defending human liberty against violence and aggression. By our resolve, we will give strength to others. By our courage, we will give hope to others. And by our actions, we will secure the peace and lead the world to a better day."

    Tsk, tsk, Rev. Democratization of Iraq, Afghanistnan, and surrounding countries has always been the goal. As I said before, Saddam's wmd misdirection and his numerous atrocities were the excuse.

    Then again, maybe Keith Olbermann's transcript of that Bush speech says something different.

  • Da King

    walter says, "and yet you still supported the [Iraq] invasion….what kind of conviction is that?"

    Walt, I'm trying very hard not to be rude to you, but these thickheaded lies of yours aren't making it easy. I told you I was AGAINST the Iraq invasion, soooooo, how could I freaking support it ? Can you read ?

    Being against the Iraq invasion doesn't mean I wanted the USA to lose the war after we went in and deposed Saddam, however. That is an entirely different matter. Had we lost, it would have been a disaster.

    Thickheaded comment #2 – "then backed up my claim about Ross being a radical leftist neocon by citing his bio. then along came King doing what he does best…….being a republican apologist"

    I didn't say a single word about Ross, and I certainly didn't apologize for anything. I just responded to your comment that you didn't know a goal of the Iraq War was to democratize the area. So, you're 100% off the mark again.

    But at least you spelled my name right. I'll give you a point for that.

  • Da King

    Roy,
    The PowerShift '09 conference ? Who is the power shifting to ? You have a link to that Lisa Jackson speech ?

  • The Reverend

    Yes, Bush said those things. Along with the other things he, and his minions, said about an Iraqi threat, WMD and all the rest of it. All of it was bullsh*t.

    Take this specific piece of your last quotation from the Bush speech….

    " If military action is necessary, the United States and our allies will help the Iraqi people rebuild their economy and create the institutions of liberty in a unified Iraq, at peace with its neighbors…"

    When this speech was given, the Downing Street Memo had already been written. The deceptive "If military action is necessary", was misleading. The decision had already been made and the intelligence was being cherry-picked by Cheney to fit the invasion….there was no "if".

    Can't believe anything Bush said……but what is common knowledge to all non-neo-con nuts is that Congress and the American people were sold on invading Iraq through the repetitive fraud lines of ominous danger about a country that didn't have the ability to tie their own shoes.

    The war of choice was sold not on the basis of democratizing the region, it was sold on the false premise that Iraq and Saddam posed a threat to the U.S. That was the lie. No revisionist history about oh-such-deep-concern about "freeing the oppressed" is going to change that lie.

  • Fred

    I think our fearless "comrade" leader and the ruling Politburo will pass any legislation that only our communist government can control. Workers of the world unite! Our glorious Revolution has just begun!

  • Da King

    Oh, Rev. If Bush lied about wmd, so did everybody else – the CIA, the previous administration, GOP, Democrats, foreign intelligence agencies. Saddam's own generals thought he had them. Give it up already.

    And in case you haven't noticed. Iraq is a democracy.

  • Da King

    Van Jones resigned. One less radical in the White House. Hurrah !

  • walter

    King, where did you ever say you were against the invasion. You said…."The democratization of Iraq was also a stated reason for the war, stated by Bush himself. I thought it was a huge mistake…." Nothing in that statement says you were AGAINST the invasion. I can only read what you write.

    I never said anything about any comments you made about Ross. I quoted a section of Ross's bio showing Ross being a radical leftist neocon.

    about Bush's "famous" Cincinnati speech……..it was about the AUMF. the AUMF was sold as a way to force Saddam into compliance on the issue of wmds.

    only a republican apologist would suggest the reason for the AUMF was for the democratization of Iraq

  • walter

    King sez….."Oh, Rev. If Bush lied about wmd, so did everybody else…" That's why the U.N. weapons inspectors were there, to verify those claims. Iraq was ALLOWING the U.N. weapons inspectors access to those suspected sites.

    That's a fact

  • walter

    King sez….."Van Jones resigned." Hey, it worked for Palin.

  • walter

    speaking of radical leftist neocons……..here's Philip Giraldi at a true libertarian site antiwar.com

    http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2009/09/02/the-best-congress-aipac-can-buy/

  • Da King

    walter, the problem is that you CAN'T read. How could I be against the Iraq War but for the invasion ? That doesn't even make sense. I think I'm done with you. You're just too absurd.

  • walter

    King, you sound kind of desparate….you were against the war before you were for the war …is that about right

  • walter

    I could see somebody being for the war and when the facts came out and those facts turned out to be nothing more than fabrications withdrawing that support. But to support a war AFTER thinking it was a bad idea in the first place and AFTER learning all the facts had been fabricated? Now that sounds like cowerdice

  • Da King

    Leaving Iraq in chaos and anarchy AFTER deposing Saddam is what would have been cowardice. It's also what the Democrats tried to do for years.

  • walter

    first off, it wasn't just democrats, it was also libertarians.

    the invasion of Iraq wasn't a bad idea….it was just flat out illegal. If the invasion was illegal, then so was the occupation.

    Where you and your fellow republicans are not bothered by having war criminals like Bush/Cheney/Boehner running the country, some of us are

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