Comments on: A Few Things That Just Aren't True

By: walter

walter — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:02:55 +0000

RevRedPants sez……."So, waterboarding IS torture…but when Bush-Cheney ordered it, they did it to protect the country, and so it was okay to waterboard."

so it's OK to torture an innocent person to prove that he is innocent? Wouldn't that be the logical next step?

By: Da King

Da King — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 14:59:21 +0000

Like talking to a tree.

By: walter

walter — Sun, 06 Sep 2009 15:45:09 +0000

I guess we should apologize to the Japenese for executing a couple of their soilders for doing exactly what we are doing now.

republicanism…..2 steps forward, 3900 steps back

By: Da King

Da King — Sun, 06 Sep 2009 14:03:39 +0000

Now you're getting it.

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Sun, 06 Sep 2009 12:45:48 +0000

So, waterboarding IS torture…but when Bush-Cheney ordered it, they did it to protect the country, and so it was okay to waterboard. Is that your logic here?

By: Da King

Da King — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:40:11 +0000

So, you admit I never said waterboarding wasn't torture. Good.

By: walter

walter — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 12:13:03 +0000

having water forced into your lungs during water cure is somehow different than having water forced into your lungs during waterboarding?

By: Da King

Da King — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:11:08 +0000

walt says, "you said water cure is torture but being waterboarded isn't"

Where did I say that, walt ? I don't think I did.

I just said the two were different. The water cure is far worse.

By: walter

walter — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:11:31 +0000

you said water cure is torture but being waterboarded isn't. All I'm trying to explain to you is the water cure and waterboarding is the same thing.

It's torture and the people who used it have to be tried for war crimes

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:38:36 +0000

Consider what's being argued…….which brand of all-but-drowning of a captive, using water, is worse?

Unbelievable.

By: walter

walter — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 18:47:28 +0000

King, again from the wikipedia entry YOU linked to………Japan
During World War II, water cure was among the forms of torture used by Japanese troops (especially the Kempeitai) in occupied territory. A report from the postwar International Military Tribunal for the Far East summarized it as follows:

this from the OIG report……http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MnYI3_FRbbQ/SpMY1kvUIlI/AAAAAAAACEo/O5-h5vhoF38/s1600-h/ig1.png

where's that maybe 10 seconds at a time thing

well, we could look at the vidiotapes like the IG did……oh wait, the CIA destroyed them

CYA at the CIA

By: Da King

Da King — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:13:05 +0000

Anyone who thinks water torture and waterboarding are the same thing isn't thinking it through. Waterboarding involves pouring water over a towel for maybe 10 seconds at a time. Definitely not pleasant, and definitely frightening, but water torture involves pumping water into a person's stomach until it's ready to burst. Quite different.

By: roysoldboy

roysoldboy — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:44:14 +0000

King, the description is accurate but it doesn't sound to me like Walter and Rev interpret the words the same as you and I do. In waterboarding there is no forcing of water into the nostrils like what the Japanese used. It seems to me that accepting what they seem to see would include things like forcing water between the toes.

By: Da King

Da King — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 01:30:19 +0000

Wikipedia can be a dangerous source to use, but I thought I was safe in using it to get a description of water torture. The description is accurate.

By: roysoldboy

roysoldboy — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:49:32 +0000

Because you seem to think that it is not Pelosi ( I don't use that word you do in civilized conversation). You do know that the meanings of most things in that thing are changed whenever someone has an agenda, don't you? Just the other day I ran across a quote from there that had to be latter day liberal since the subject was one that I had studied quite a bit in the 70s in a college summer school class for a paper I wrote. Somehow the story had changed so completely that I had to read it a couple of times to make the connection.

BTW, I only let people from the left side know about that and King just isn't from that side.

By: walter

walter — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:35:39 +0000

roybot….wtf?……King linked to the wikipedia story….why is it only bullshit when I link to it?

By: roysoldboy

roysoldboy — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:15:56 +0000

Walter, can you tell us when that article was inserted in Wiki? Somehow I don't think that it may have been yesterday. Yes, Wiki is reader written and quite often later readers have a need to change the story to fit their agenda. Using Wiki as a source of real truth is just about the same thing as using anything you find on Daily Kos as the real final word on anything.

By: kabbalistic

kabbalistic — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:56:16 +0000

It is simply magnificent idea

By: Da King

Da King — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:50:30 +0000

Figures.

By: walter

walter — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:41:09 +0000

from wikipedia……

Japan
During World War II, water cure was among the forms of torture used by Japanese troops (especially the Kempeitai) in occupied territory. A report from the postwar International Military Tribunal for the Far East summarized it as follows:

"The so-called 'water treatment' was commonly used. The victim was bound or otherwise secured in a prone position; and water was forced through his mouth and nostrils into his lungs and stomach until he lost consciousness. Pressure was then applied, sometimes by jumping upon his abdomen to force the water out. The usual practice was to revive the victim and successively repeat the process."

"Waterboarding is a form of torture that consists of immobilizing the victim on his or her back with the head inclined downwards, and then pouring water over the face and into the breathing passages,……"

both force water into the breathing passages and lungs….doesn't sound that much different to me

By: Da King

Da King — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 08:33:20 +0000

As usual, Rev, you can't read what is right in front of you, particularly about Ridge. Keep those phony talking points alive.

By: angry conserv

angry conserv — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 01:22:52 +0000

Rev, we agree on that point. Yes, life is a bitch when you have to deal with the government bureacracy -so dont whine just accept the fact it is inept.

By: walter

walter — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 01:22:48 +0000

I heard Rush Limbaugh signed up to be a door gunner in Nam…….but was refused because of that cyst thingee on his ass.

Cheney signed up to be a tunnel rat but all his deferments got in the way…..LOL

who drowned?…..yeah, sure like the guy doing the experiments on the detainees is going to tell us. CYA at the CIA

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:57:24 +0000

Number one is a……so what? Japanese torturers were executed for torturing, but they weren't executed specifically for using water torture….and that….what?…..somehow equates into U.S. waterboarding is what? Not torture? Reagan's Justice Department prosecuted a sheriff who water boarded his prisoner. The sheriff was convicted. He went to jail on a felony conviction…for 10 years. You left that out.

Number two. Ridge's words have been clear. He said that politics came into play with the color code manipulations.

Number three is a red herring. The dirty on Bush and the National Guard wasn't about whether Junior was a chickenhawk or not……that was believed by both sides…..sure, he went into the Guard to stay out of Nam…..everybody knows that.

The issue was whether Junior was AWOL from the Alabama Guard for as much as 8 months at the end of his time. The evidence makes it look like he was AWOL, no witnesses, no logs, no piss tests, no nothing …..that he ever appeared in Alabama.

Number 4…..man, the guy that wrote that letter is a whiny bitch. Life is hard.

By: Da King

Da King — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:48:45 +0000

walter says, "drowning somebody is much more humane than filing them up with water"

Who did we drown walter ????????? Nobody.

Thanks for proving my point.