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A Few Things That Just Aren't True

by Da King on August 31, 2009

in Uncategorized, bureaucracy, conspiracy theories, crime, media bias, moonbats, presidential race, propaganda, terrorism, torture

1. Japanese officials were executed for waterboarding prisoners during World War II.

Wrong. Japanese officials were executed primarily for mass murder and for waging war against other countries. Torture was among the charges, and among the numerous torture charges was Japanese water torture (aka, water cure), not waterboarding. The two are not the same thing. Water torture involved putting a hose down a prisoner's throat and pumping water into him until his insides burst or nearly burst, often resulting in death. In addition, the Japanese usually executed the prisoners following water torture and/or other forms of torture. Even without water torture, those Japanese officials would have been executed.

2. Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge was pressured by the Bush White House to raise the terror alert level prior to the 2004 elections for political reasons.

This one is debunked by Tom Ridge himself, who said he was never pressured to change the terror alert level.

"There was no pressure at all. There was a judgment call on their part and on my part," Ridge, 64, a former Pennsylvania governor and an Erie native, told the [Erie-Times News] newspaper.

In addition, there was a threat made by Bin Laden prior to the 2004 election, which Ridge himself thought might be to disrupt our presidential elections, just as Al Qaeda bombed trains in Madrid three days before Spain's elections.

Not to mention that the terror alert level was NOT raised (and it probably SHOULD have been). The charge made for a nice phony left wing attack du jour, however.

3. George W. Bush is a chickenhawk who went into the Air National Guard to avoid going to Vietnam.

The truth is, Bush volunteered to go to Vietnam, but he didn't have enough flying hours, so other pilots were sent instead. In addition, CBS producer Mary Mapes, who did the phony partisan hit piece on Bush with anchorman Dan Rather, which was based upon forged documents, KNEW Bush had volunteered, but never mentioned it. Remember, the thrust of the CBS Rather/Mapes hit piece was that Bush was a coward who was trying to avoid combat. And it was THIS NEWS STORY that attempted to influence an election, coming shortly after the 2004 Republican convention.

4. The federal government is efficient.

This one doesn't really require an explanation, but what follows is a letter to the federal government from an irate citizen that has been making it's way around the internet. I have no idea if the letter is authentic, but it sure is funny, and it sure does illustrate exactly how efficient our federal government isn't. That would be the same federal government to whom we are about to hand over our entire health care system, not that anything could possibly go wrong there.

Warning – there is profanity.

Dear Sirs,

I’m in the process of renewing my passport, and still cannot believe this. How is it that Radio Shack has my address and telephone number and knows that I bought a cable t.v. from them back in 1987, and yet, the Federal Government is still asking me where I was born and on what date.

For gosh sakes, do you guys do this by hand? My birth date you have on my social security card, and it is on all the income tax forms I’ve filed for the past 30 years. It is on my health insurance card, my driver’s license, on the last eight damn passports I’ve had, on all those stupid customs declaration forms I’ve had to fill out before being allowed off the plane over the last 30 years, and all those insufferable census forms that are done at election times.

Would somebody please take note, once and for all, that my mother’s name is Maryanne, my father’s name is Robert and I’d be absolutely astounded if that ever changed between now and when I die!

I apologize, I’m really pissed off this morning. Between you an’ me, I’ve had enough of this bullshit! You send the application to my house, then you ask me for my address!

What is going on? You have a gang of Neanderthal asses workin’ there! Look at my damn picture. Do I look like Bin Laden? I don’t want to dig up Yasser Arafat, for crying out loud! I just want to go and park my ass on a sandy beach.

And would someone please tell me, why would you give a shit whether I plan on visiting a farm in the next 15 days? If I ever got the urge to do something weird to a chicken or a goat, believe you me, I’d sure as hell not want to tell anyone!

Well, I have to go now, ’cause I have to go to the other end of the city and get another blasted copy of my birth certificate, to the tune of $60. Would it be so complicated to have all the services in the same spot to assist in the issuance of a new passport the same day? Nooooo, that’d be to damn easy and maybe makes sense. You’d rather have us running all over the place like chickens with our heads cut off, then find some ass to confirm that it’s really me on the damn picture – you know, the one where we’re not allowed to smile (bureaucratic ignorant morons)! Hey, you know why we can’t smile? We’re totally pissed off!

Signed
An Irate Citizen.

P.S. Remember what I said above about the picture and getting someone to confirm that it’s me? Well, my family has been in this country since 1776, I have served in the military for something over 30 years and have had security clearances up the ying yang. However, I have to get someone ‘important’ to verify who I am – you know, someone like my doctor WHO WAS BORN AND RAISED IN INDIA!

Sincerely,
You Sure In The Hell Should Know Who.

{ 30 comments… read them below or add one }

Tbomb August 31, 2009 at 1:26 pm

Why, if GW wanted to fly combat missions in Nam, would he bother trying to get into the Guard(much harder to do)? Why not just enlist in the air wing of one of the service branches already fighting there?

averagejoe5 August 31, 2009 at 1:37 pm

Do you know the answer T?

walter August 31, 2009 at 2:05 pm

King, I see your point………drowning somebody is much more humane than filing them up with water…..LOL

from the guy's letter ……."And would someone please tell me, why would you give a shit whether I plan on visiting a farm in the next 15 days? If I ever got the urge to do something weird to a chicken or a goat, believe you me, I’d sure as hell not want to tell anyone!" Try hoof and mouth disease…… dumb ass

Bush volunteered for Viet Nam BECAUSE he knew he didn't have enough flying hours. I would have volunteered too

G-Mann August 31, 2009 at 2:31 pm

King do a little research and you'll see that letter is originally from an Australian Citizen (or just a complete fake). Way to do research.

Da King August 31, 2009 at 3:46 pm

G-mann,
I didn't do any research on that letter. I thought I made that clear. I just thought it was funny (and a pretty accurate take on the federal government).

Da King August 31, 2009 at 3:48 pm

walter says, "drowning somebody is much more humane than filing them up with water"

Who did we drown walter ????????? Nobody.

Thanks for proving my point.

The Reverend August 31, 2009 at 4:57 pm

Number one is a……so what? Japanese torturers were executed for torturing, but they weren't executed specifically for using water torture….and that….what?…..somehow equates into U.S. waterboarding is what? Not torture? Reagan's Justice Department prosecuted a sheriff who water boarded his prisoner. The sheriff was convicted. He went to jail on a felony conviction…for 10 years. You left that out.

Number two. Ridge's words have been clear. He said that politics came into play with the color code manipulations.

Number three is a red herring. The dirty on Bush and the National Guard wasn't about whether Junior was a chickenhawk or not……that was believed by both sides…..sure, he went into the Guard to stay out of Nam…..everybody knows that.

The issue was whether Junior was AWOL from the Alabama Guard for as much as 8 months at the end of his time. The evidence makes it look like he was AWOL, no witnesses, no logs, no piss tests, no nothing …..that he ever appeared in Alabama.

Number 4…..man, the guy that wrote that letter is a whiny bitch. Life is hard.

walter August 31, 2009 at 9:22 pm

I heard Rush Limbaugh signed up to be a door gunner in Nam…….but was refused because of that cyst thingee on his ass.

Cheney signed up to be a tunnel rat but all his deferments got in the way…..LOL

who drowned?…..yeah, sure like the guy doing the experiments on the detainees is going to tell us. CYA at the CIA

angry conserv August 31, 2009 at 9:22 pm

Rev, we agree on that point. Yes, life is a bitch when you have to deal with the government bureacracy -so dont whine just accept the fact it is inept.

Da King September 1, 2009 at 4:33 am

As usual, Rev, you can't read what is right in front of you, particularly about Ridge. Keep those phony talking points alive.

walter September 1, 2009 at 8:41 am

from wikipedia……

Japan
During World War II, water cure was among the forms of torture used by Japanese troops (especially the Kempeitai) in occupied territory. A report from the postwar International Military Tribunal for the Far East summarized it as follows:

"The so-called 'water treatment' was commonly used. The victim was bound or otherwise secured in a prone position; and water was forced through his mouth and nostrils into his lungs and stomach until he lost consciousness. Pressure was then applied, sometimes by jumping upon his abdomen to force the water out. The usual practice was to revive the victim and successively repeat the process."

"Waterboarding is a form of torture that consists of immobilizing the victim on his or her back with the head inclined downwards, and then pouring water over the face and into the breathing passages,……"

both force water into the breathing passages and lungs….doesn't sound that much different to me

Da King September 1, 2009 at 8:50 am

Figures.

kabbalistic September 1, 2009 at 9:56 am

It is simply magnificent idea

roysoldboy September 1, 2009 at 10:15 am

Walter, can you tell us when that article was inserted in Wiki? Somehow I don't think that it may have been yesterday. Yes, Wiki is reader written and quite often later readers have a need to change the story to fit their agenda. Using Wiki as a source of real truth is just about the same thing as using anything you find on Daily Kos as the real final word on anything.

walter September 1, 2009 at 11:35 am

roybot….wtf?……King linked to the wikipedia story….why is it only bullshit when I link to it?

roysoldboy September 1, 2009 at 2:49 pm

Because you seem to think that it is not Pelosi ( I don't use that word you do in civilized conversation). You do know that the meanings of most things in that thing are changed whenever someone has an agenda, don't you? Just the other day I ran across a quote from there that had to be latter day liberal since the subject was one that I had studied quite a bit in the 70s in a college summer school class for a paper I wrote. Somehow the story had changed so completely that I had to read it a couple of times to make the connection.

BTW, I only let people from the left side know about that and King just isn't from that side.

Da King September 1, 2009 at 9:30 pm

Wikipedia can be a dangerous source to use, but I thought I was safe in using it to get a description of water torture. The description is accurate.

roysoldboy September 2, 2009 at 10:44 am

King, the description is accurate but it doesn't sound to me like Walter and Rev interpret the words the same as you and I do. In waterboarding there is no forcing of water into the nostrils like what the Japanese used. It seems to me that accepting what they seem to see would include things like forcing water between the toes.

Da King September 2, 2009 at 11:13 am

Anyone who thinks water torture and waterboarding are the same thing isn't thinking it through. Waterboarding involves pouring water over a towel for maybe 10 seconds at a time. Definitely not pleasant, and definitely frightening, but water torture involves pumping water into a person's stomach until it's ready to burst. Quite different.

walter September 2, 2009 at 2:47 pm

King, again from the wikipedia entry YOU linked to………Japan
During World War II, water cure was among the forms of torture used by Japanese troops (especially the Kempeitai) in occupied territory. A report from the postwar International Military Tribunal for the Far East summarized it as follows:

"The so-called 'water treatment' was commonly used. The victim was bound or otherwise secured in a prone position; and water was forced through his mouth and nostrils into his lungs……….." Please note the part about forced through his nostrils into his lungs

this from the OIG report……http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MnYI3_FRbbQ/SpMY1kvUIlI/AAAAAAAACEo/O5-h5vhoF38/s1600-h/ig1.png

where's that maybe 10 seconds at a time thing

well, we could look at the vidiotapes like the IG did……oh wait, the CIA destroyed them

CYA at the CIA

The Reverend September 2, 2009 at 4:38 pm

Consider what's being argued…….which brand of all-but-drowning of a captive, using water, is worse?

Unbelievable.

walter September 2, 2009 at 8:11 pm

you said water cure is torture but being waterboarded isn't. All I'm trying to explain to you is the water cure and waterboarding is the same thing.

It's torture and the people who used it have to be tried for war crimes

Da King September 3, 2009 at 7:11 am

walt says, "you said water cure is torture but being waterboarded isn't"

Where did I say that, walt ? I don't think I did.

I just said the two were different. The water cure is far worse.

walter September 3, 2009 at 8:13 am

having water forced into your lungs during water cure is somehow different than having water forced into your lungs during waterboarding?

OK

Da King September 3, 2009 at 1:40 pm

So, you admit I never said waterboarding wasn't torture. Good.

The Reverend September 6, 2009 at 8:45 am

So, waterboarding IS torture…but when Bush-Cheney ordered it, they did it to protect the country, and so it was okay to waterboard. Is that your logic here?

Da King September 6, 2009 at 10:03 am

Now you're getting it.

walter September 6, 2009 at 11:45 am

I guess we should apologize to the Japenese for executing a couple of their soilders for doing exactly what we are doing now.

republicanism…..2 steps forward, 3900 steps back

Da King September 7, 2009 at 10:59 am

Like talking to a tree.

walter September 8, 2009 at 9:02 am

RevRedPants sez……."So, waterboarding IS torture…but when Bush-Cheney ordered it, they did it to protect the country, and so it was okay to waterboard."

so it's OK to torture an innocent person to prove that he is innocent? Wouldn't that be the logical next step?

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