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Tracking Americans Via The Internet

by Da King on August 14, 2009

in privacy,Uncategorized,White House administration

Here is a release from the ACLU called 'Government Proposes Massive Shift In Online Privacy Policy':

Changes Would Pose Serious Threat To Americans’ Personal Information, Says ACLU

WASHINGTON – The American Civil Liberties Union submitted comments today to the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) opposing its recent proposal to reverse current federal policy and allow the use of web tracking technologies, like cookies, on federal government websites. Cookies can be used to track an Internet user’s every click and are often linked across multiple websites; they frequently identify particular people.

Since 2000, it has been the policy of the federal government not to use such technology. But the OMB is now seeking to change that policy and is considering the use of cookies for tracking web visitors across multiple sessions and storing their unique preferences and surfing habits. Though this is a major shift in policy, the announcement of this program consists of only a single page from the federal register that contains almost no detail.

“This is a sea change in government privacy policy,” said Michael Macleod-Ball, Acting Director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office. “Without explaining this reversal of policy, the OMB is seeking to allow the mass collection of personal information of every user of a federal government website. Until the OMB answers the multitude of questions surrounding this policy shift, we will continue to raise our strenuous objections.”

The use of cookies allows a website to differentiate between users and build a database of each user’s viewing habits and the information they share with the site. Since web surfers frequently share information like their name or email address (if they’ve signed up for a service) or search request terms, the use of cookies frequently allows a user’s identity and web surfing habits to be linked. In addition, websites can allow third parties, such as advertisers, to also place cookies on a user’s computer.

“Americans rely on the information from the federal government to research politics, medical issues and legal requirements. The OMB is now asking to retain the personal and identifiable information we leave behind,” said Christopher Calabrese, Counsel for the ACLU Technology and Liberty Project. “No American should have to sacrifice privacy or risk surveillance in order to access free government information. No policy change should be adopted without wide ranging debate including information on the restrictions and uses of cookies as well as impact on privacy.”

The Obama administration is attempting to implement this "sea change" in internet privacy policy with no debate, no transparency, and no explanation. To my knowledge, there is no Congressional authorization for this, and even if there was, it raises Constitutional issues.

Okay liberals, this is your call to arms. For years, you've been calling Bush a criminal and a unitary executive for his warrantless wiretapping of international phone calls from suspected terrorists and for his collecting phone records for the stated purpose of locating suspected terrorists. Now I've given you a clear example of Obama's intent to track Americans, not suspected terrorists, and invade their privacy via the internet, all without any accountability or oversight.

And while we're on the subject, what about Obama's national database of every American's medical records ? Isn't that an invasion of privacy as well ? I seem to remember something about doctor-patient confidentiality.

Should we frog march Obama out of the White House now ? If not, why not ?

Or are you now willing to say invading the privacy of terrorists is bad, but invading the privacy of Americans is okey-dokey, as long as Obama is doing it ?

Or will you just call me a racist ? (aka, The Reverend Response)

Enquiring minds want to know.

  • averagejoe5

    There isn't even an excuse for this? Like homeland security? Terror threats? etc.

  • Da King
  • larry d.

    It's all Bush's fault?

  • Tom B

    OK, this was too funny of a post to pass up. I had to respond as a person involved in a job with web technology.

    Some may argue that this is Big Brother but it is what happens every time you access major web sites like Yahoo, Google, Amazon, etc. I am sure even the GOP web site collects this information. The technology is designed to make your web experience better and customize the menus and displays to anticipate your needs. The Feds are not proposing to collect cookies across all of your web site accesses. They are merely using cookies on their web sites to help you use the government web site. I don’t think this type of web enhancement requires and legislation to implement. This is the reality of Web 2.0 design.

    In terms of the Federal "super" database of medical information, this pretty much exists today. How do you think Social Security, IRS and Medicare share information? In the insurance industry, they use Accord databases to share policyholder and claim information. Numerous private industries and government agencies have built data warehouses that analyze and expose trends and patterns. I admit this is definitely scary, but again it is the reality.

    The best protection we all have is the privacy and security laws and regulations that are in effect. I am sure that the Obama administration seeks to strengthen them just as all government and private industry strives to do today. Add to that, you must protect yourself. Did you know that you do not have to use cookies in your browser? If you don’t want your visits tracked, turn cookies off.

    Thanks for the technology highlight of my day! I got to share this with co-workers. Look for an email from me for a free Outback steak dinner and an Applebee’s’ gift certificate :)

  • The Reverend

    I share in Tom B's reaction to King's post….pretty humorous.

    While Bush was having a mirror site to AT&T's hub in California built enabling the government to vacuum up ALL American's e-mails and run them through a computer program filtering for specific phrases and words…..conservatives told me that it was all proper and lawful. They asked me if I wanted to be safe or have privacy. They told me that Bush was only invading the privacy of them there terrorists. They argued for telco-immunity for invading all of our privacy because the "threat" was oh-so-great.

    And now, after all that, King is exercised about cookies.

    The obliviousness to the hypocrisy is what is so humorous.

    While I agree with the ACLU statement…..that train left the Constitutional station a long time ago….and all I heard from Republicans and conservatives was crickets.

  • Fred

    It`s pretty funny to hear all this when a year ago the right was telling America that Obama will not defend America like Dubya! Very funny!

  • Kris

    Well Fred.. if Tom B. is right then this isn't for the defense of America – it's for a better web viewing experience!

    I'm not a fan of cookies or pop up ads.

  • larry d.

    I think most folks know what cookies are and how they are used in the private sector.

    The questions are why has it been the policy of the federal government to not use the technology since 2000, and why are they changing it now?

  • dd20

    Big Brother is so 1984. Its too easy of a target and gets people all scared when you try and implement it. If you really want to spy on people, I recommend setting up some kind of snitch line where ordinary citizens can send the government e-mails which contain questionable information in them and also the e-mail address of the sender of said questionable information. The government can then “follow up” and provide “re-education” to all those involved in disseminating the propaganda.

    Citizen informants are really the best way to go without attractive the fury of the paranoid chatterers. Much more cost effective too, which is always important in these economic times plus it gives people an important sense of participation in the legislative process.

  • frank

    larry d.,
    Congratulations! You've added something useful to the discussion. One other question. Has Obama ended Bush's program?

  • Da King

    Tom B – For someone who claims to understand computers, you sure show a cavalier attitude toward the government accessing your computer information. Unreal. I've been a computer programmer for 26 years, and the way you are downplaying this reversal of government policy is quite simplistic and dishonest, but about what I expected from Obama supporters. If you really do know computers, you know what the government can do with this information, as pointed out in the ACLU release. The Reverend agrees with you, of course, because….well, just because. The Reverend also pretends that Bush was the first one to gather up information, another falsehood. Check out Project Echelon under Clinton, or even before Clinton. And Rev, if you really were against what Bush did, how can you NOT be against what Obama is doing now ? I really think you don't care about anything other than dogging Republicans.

    larry asked the key question. Why is this policy being reversed ? We don't know, because the Obama admin hasn't told us, and Tom B doesn't know either. He's just making up an answer.

    But at least I have lefties on record laughing at the ACLU. That's gotta be a first.

    Why don't all y'all from the left finally admit it. You don't care about privacy in the least little bit……….unless Bush violates it, then it's a world-shaker.

    Hypocrites unite !!!

  • Da King

    frank,
    Obama has not ended the warrantless wiretapping program, if that's what you mean. The Obama admin has defended the Bush policy and continued it.

  • Da King

    dd20,
    C'mon now, no presidential administration would ever tell our citizens to snitch on other citizens :-)

  • Da King

    But, Tom, I'll still take the gift certificates.

  • N. E. Frye

    I thought it was always common knowledge that anything you put out over the web is open to anybody who feels like prying into it. You can have a law or executive order to stop the government from doing it but there ain't no way you can stop a malicious butthead from doing it.

    If the ACLU had won all their battles on behalf of the secretive elements, this country would have been taken over by either Nazis or Communists (excuse me; I meant to say progressives) thirty or forty years ago. As it is we might be able to hold out for about ten more years.

  • Tom B

    I am sorry for the cavalier attitude. The point here is that you control whether you chose to use the Internet or not. You chose to have cookies or not. You chose to violate or protect your own on-line security.

    The data that can be collected has limitations. Sure, it can be traced to a point. However, there is no magic that confirms that “Yes, it’s Tom B entering this data.” My point is that it’s overkill to obsess about something as minor as cookies.

    What has changed since 2001? OMG, so much… social networking, Web 2.0, so many web usage improvements. For the government to not progress on the use of this technology is not good. For our better use of government web sites and to help the government serve us better, these enhancements are needed. And… that is just what this is; a change in functionality. It is not big policy change. It is really delivering better service and information to the people. I know a lot of people just don’t trust on-line resources and technologies. We can’t change that attitude easily. It’s what comes with delivering the technology to the masses.

    Sorry again if I came off like a smart ass. I just want to put this into perspective to what really happened. It is not something being slipped in by some evil empire. It’s just part of everyday business.

    And… I also think the ACLU overacts at times. I don’t have an issue with that. They may raise issues that we all need to be aware of. Sometimes they over-react, but many groups tend to do that. Take their advice with a grain of salt.

    Have a nice weekend. I am done commenting. I need to get back to work and off for the weekend. Have a nice day.

  • The Reverend

    dd has a smarty-pants comment here….

    "I recommend setting up some kind of snitch line where ordinary citizens can send the government e-mails which contain questionable information in them and also the e-mail address of the sender of said questionable information. The government can then “follow up” and provide “re-education” to all those involved in disseminating the propaganda."

    Why the hell would Obama go to all that trouble? Bush initiated, and then Congress legalized, the interception and review of all American e-mails. Why the hell would Obama need a snitch-line? Redundancy?

  • The Reverend

    larry knows what the questions are…

    "The questions are why has it been the policy of the federal government to not use the technology since 2000, and why are they changing it now?"

    Why in the world would Bush and Cheney need to use some old program of collecting data? They simply scrapped the 4th amendment altogether because the Constitution is only "a goddamn piece of paper"….remember?

    And yes, sadly, Obama has continued the Bush program of warrantless wiretaps, now new and improved with miraculous Constitution shredding Congressional approval.

    But…only for larry…..the real reason Obama wants to track cookies……is to keep personal track of you.

  • Tbomb

    Welcome Tom B, a knowledgeable voice of reason.

  • larry d.

    Looks like "It's Bush's fault" is the Dems top choice on this one, with the ever present "only crackpots question" coming in second.

  • Tory Bug

    In response to:
    The Reverend Says:
    August 14th, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    Are you unaware of the whole Macon Phillips blog situation? Surely not! Or are you blinding yourself to the fact that Obama's director of media has requested that people snitch on others who e-mail them with 'fishy' info on the Obamacare thing? If you have somehow missed this, though I don't know how, here's the link. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/090805/usa/us_politics_republicans_obama As my five year old daughter tells her sister, "Watch and learn." ;) Or rather, read and learn.

    I think that Obama is taking what Bush did to an even further extreme and spying on private citizen who dare to question his actions. I'm actually afraid to visit any government websites, for fear that I'll be labeled an extremist of some sort and somehow targeted for my views. I use to write e-mails once in awhile to Bush on anything that I felt he should know a citizen's opinion about. I'm too afraid to communicate openly with this administration, afraid of what might be done to me by Big Brother. I know it sounds extreme and paranoid, but this is the environment that Obama is fostering.

  • dd20

    Since Rev is being a two year old by saying "but but but Bush did it first". I'll be a two year old too and answer his question with the same question: Why the hell would Obama need a snitch-line?

  • larry d.

    Why does he need 44 czars? Why does he recruit union thugs to attend town hall meetings? Why does he target particular members of the dissenting media for ridicule? Why does he want to pass a mammoth healthcare bill quickly, seemingly no matter what's in it? Why did he insist on rushing through a mammoth stimulus bill that no one read?

  • The Reverend

    Never mind.

  • Da King

    Tom,
    You are seriously telling me that you have no issues with the government placing cookies on your computer, with the huge potential for abuse that exists ? The government would be able to monitor your internet usage, track the websites you visit, access your personal information, even crash your computer if the government wished, etc, and all for what reason ? None has been provided. The entire notion of Constitutional privacy is about protecting the citizens from abuses of power by the government.

    We had a reporter ask press secretary Robert Gibbs the other day about why people were receiveing unsolicited e-mails from David Axelrodl. Gibbs didn't have an answer, but the cookies could accomplish that too. This is not a trivial issue.

  • Da King

    This reminds me of the government cars.gov website for Cash For Clunkers that contained the following pop-up warning:

    http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/glenn-beck-carsdotgov.htm

    "This application provides access to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the U.S. Government. Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign."

    The Cars.Gov web site also contains a private policy statement said that the organization does "collect information about your visit that does not identify you personally. We can tell the computer, browser, and web service you are using. We also know the date, time, and pages you visit. Collecting this information helps us design the site to suit your needs. In the event of a known security or virus threat, we may collect information on the web content you view."

    Glenn Beck reported this on his show on a friday, and by the following monday, the pop-up warning was suddenly gone. But did the policy change ?

  • Da King

    Rev asks, "Why the hell would Obama need a snitch-line? Redundancy?"

    The question ignores the obvious – Obama already has a snitch line. The answer to why he needs one is also obvious. The NSA under Bush was snatching up large volumes of e-mails to look for terrorist communications. Obama is looking for specific information about his political enemies. It's a lot more efficient and sensible for Obama to have his snitches forward those specific political enemy e-mails directly to him than to pore through voluminous NSA records containing terrorist-sounding phrases.

  • larry d.

    There was also a doughnut hole in the form of 'casual conversation,' which often occurs outside the reach of Internet and telephone technology, Reverend. He's just tying up that loose end by asking his minions to report on those.

  • walter

    larry sez…."Why does he need 44 czars?" Can you show us this list of 44?

  • roysoldboy

    Walter, the latest one seems to me to be named Mark Lloyd. He doesn't even have the title of czar, though. I guess Rahm and David have finally realized that people are getting very tired of that crap.

    How many czars do you count, since you don't accept 44 as a real number?

  • walter

    roybot….just asking for a list

  • roysoldboy

    tory,

    You just said what I have been doing for some time. I stay from those sites that are government sites for the very reason you mentioned. I guess it is a waste of time to do that if the ACLU is right, though.

  • larry d.

    I don't remember exactly how many there are, walt. I threw 44 out there because I know it's a ridiculously large number and I thought maybe I had seen it. Maybe 32?

    You are one of the proud Obamaton minions–maybe you can confront the gist of the question and tell me why he needs so many?

  • walter

    gotta figure out first how many and what they do….a list would help

  • Fred

    I gotta it! Obama is Lenin, Obama will have the 44 czars executed just like the Romanovs. Oooops! I forgot. Obama is royalty. And Larry, you`re still paranoid.

  • larry d.

    Here you are, walt. I was right–there's 44 so far but surely more to come. Why does Obama need so many?

    1. Afghanistan-Pakistan (Af-Pak) Czar: Richard Holbrooke
    2. AIDS Czar: Jeffrey Crowley
    3. Auto Recovery Czar: Ed Montgomery
    4. Bailout Czar: Herbert Allison Jr.
    5. Border Czar: Alan Bersin (Former US attorney)
    6. Car Czar: Ron Bloom
    7. Climate Change Czar: Todd Stern
    8. Counterterrorism Czar: John Brennan
    9. Disinformation Czar: Linda Douglass
    10. Domestic Violence Czar: Lynn Rosenthal
    11. Drug Czar: Gil Kerlikowske
    12. Economic Czar: Larry Summers
    13. Economic Czar II: Paul Volcker
    14. Education Czar: Arne Duncan
    15. Energy Czar: Carol M. Browner
    16. Food Safety Czar: Michael Taylor
    17. Government Performance Czar: Jeffrey Zients
    18. Great Lakes Czar: Cameron Davis
    19. Green Jobs Czar: Van Jones
    20. Guantanomo Closure Czar: Daniel Fried
    21. Health Czar: Nancy-Ann DeParle
    22. Infotech Czar: Vivek Kundra
    23. Intelligence Czar: Admiral Dennis Blair
    24. Latin-American Czar: Arturo Valenzuela
    25. Mideast Peace Czar: George Mitchell
    26. Mideast Policy Czar: Dennis Ross
    27. Regulatory Czar: Cass Sunstein
    28. Religion Czar: Joshua Dubois
    29. ‘Safe Schools’ Czar: Kevin Jennings
    30. Science Czar: John Holdren
    31. Stimulus Oversight Czar: Earl Devaney
    32. Sudan Czar: J. Scott Gration
    33. TARP Czar: Elizabeth Warren
    34. Technology Czar: Aneesh Chopra
    35. Trade Czar: Ron Kirk
    36. Urban Affairs/Housing Czar: Adolfo Carrion
    37. War Czar: Douglas Lute
    38. Water Czar: David J. Hayes
    39. Weapons Czar: Ashton Carter
    40. Weapons of Mass Destruction Czar: Gary Samore
    41. Disinformation Czar: The Reverend
    42. Confused Czar: frank
    43. Research Czar: mary
    44. Conservative Czar: walter

  • Tory Bug

    And let's not forget his Teleprompter Czar (Deion Colby) or his Uh, uh… Czar (Lola Jacobs). I hear Michelle O. is actually nagging him for a Snoring Czar, and why not? He seems to be appointing people who don't have to answer to the voters to handle everything else. I also hear he's thinking about appointing a Nagging Czar to get her to keep quiet about it.

  • larry d.

    I also forgot the Press My Mommy Jeans Czar.

    Rumor has it he's looking for a "'typical white person' who can handle an iron," which has led to delays in filling the post.

  • The Reverend

    Keep that white victimization racism coming, larry.

  • The Reverend

    And I don't appreciate you ranking me so low at 41st.

  • larry d.

    Sorry Reverend. Keep working and maybe you'll catch the real Disinformation Czar up at number 9.

    Who would have thought there'd be a 'disinformation czar' in this country? Creepy.

  • frank

    Mr. Fred,
    Good luck trying to figure out larry d. He's not only paranoid, but dumb enough to actually think that he is clever and amusing. Apparently, he has fallen in love with the word czar and decided to make a bunch of shit up so he can use the word.

  • larry d.

    Yes I made it all up, frank. It's weird how all those cable news shows look at this blog and pick up on my ideas.

    I'll ignore the personal insult this time. I understand you're still operating in 1979 and sympathize with that.

  • Da King

    larry,

    "41. Disinformation Czar: The Reverend
    42. Confused Czar: frank
    43. Research Czar: mary
    44. Conservative Czar: walter"

    I'd suggest the Rev for "Racism Czar" or "Name-calling Czar" since Obama already has a Czar to peddle disinformation.

  • frank

    larry d.,
    I don't need your sympathy and I don't need you to ignore my insult, but I gotta tell you, 1979 was a much better time than now.

  • larry d.

    That's what you keep saying, frank. It's a little pitiful.

  • walter

    26. Mideast Policy Czar: Dennis Ross

    Dennis Ross's bio here…….http://jewish-politics-ny.com/2009/06/25/ross-move-its-official/

    having Dennis Ross as Mideast Policy Czar would be like having tory being Jehovah's Witness czar or Rev. Al Sharpton as White Folks czar.

  • walter

    I would have thought that former AIPAC'er Dennis Ross's new czar position would be AIPAC Propagandist Czar

    how about the fox becoming chicken house security czar?

  • pdt1420

    So wally, he gave you the list, how about answering the question?

  • The Reverend

    For crying out loud….how immature and childish can conservatives get?

    Who gives a damn that the title "czar" is being used?

    And I can't let this from King go by unanswered….

    "The NSA under Bush was snatching up large volumes of e-mails to look for terrorist communications. Obama is looking for specific information about his political enemies."

    Clueless and oblivious come to mind. We already know that journalists and some politicians were having e-mails pilfered through by the Bushies. So, the facts are just the opposite of what King said. Bush lied and actually was spying on his political opponents while Obama has been up front about what he is doing.

    And finally, conservatives loved and embraced all the 4th amendment violations from the last administration…..so what is the reason for flip-flopping now?.

  • frank

    larry d.,
    The only thing pitiful is how far we have regressed as a country since then. By the way, I don't know where you got the idea I was living in the past, but in 1979 I made $46,000 (what's that worth today?), my health insurance paid 90% with no deductibles, no co-pays, any overtime I worked paid 2x my hourly wage, a cost-of-living clause raised my wages automatically, my SS taxes were less than half today's rates, and my income taxes were less. That may have not been typical for those not in a union, but it was for my union. Before you think that my union priced us out of a job, you may be interested to know that the cost breakdown for the company I worked for was something like this—65% for raw materials, 25% for packaging, and 10% for labor.

  • Da King

    Poor Rev,
    When the NSA gathers up e-mails containing terrorist-sounding words or phrases like "jihad Allah bomb," of course some innocent e-mails will be caught up in the net. I never said anything different. You are displaying an ignorance of how it works by acting like Bush was targeting people.

    And I love the part about Obama being up front about what he's doing. That's what makes you the Reverend. You only think it's bad when a Republican does it. Classic.

  • Da King

    frank,
    I'm glad you had it good in 1979, but I think you need to look at things beyond your own narrow personal perspective. A lot of people were really struggling in 1979, just like they are today. Times were bad overall in 1979, just like they are today. If you want to say things have gotten worse, you don't want to use 1979 as your starting point. Reagan inherited a nightmare economy from Carter, just like Obama inherited a nightmare from Bush. You know that.

    And the manufacturing jobs started leaving in the 1970's, not the 1980's. Granted, the trend has never stopped.

    Here's another thing. Federal spending in 1979 was $500 billion. Now it's nearly $4 trillion. Do you think there's any relation at all between that and lower wages ? I assume your wages haven't increased by 800% since 1979 like government spending has. Read my latest post.

    Whatever happened to that company you worked for in 1979 ?

  • frank

    Mr. King,
    I'm not really stuck in 1979 as larry d. thinks. It's just a personal anecdote which relates to what was possible in a blue collar manufacturing job then as opposed to now. I also realize that it wasn't a very good year for many. The costs of the Vietnam War were coming due and our dependence on foreign oil was demonstrated to us. You are also correct that manufacturing were already seeking cheaper production costs in the 1970's. I would put organized labor's peak at about 5-10 years earlier than mine in 1979. When tariffs were removed (often by our country only)under the "free" trade policies, the floodgates opened, and Perot's "giant sucking sound" occurred.

    My problem with the government spending is not just the size, but the unwillingness to match spending and revenues. But the relationship between wages and government spending is a chicken and egg type deal. As wages stagnate, so do government revenues at a time when there is more demand for government expenditures.

    That company I worked for in 1979 was founded and located in a large city. The third generation of the founder sold the company to a foreign conglomerate. With the inflation in commercial real estate, the properties which housed its headquarters and manufacturing facility became worth about 8 times the value of the business. A group within the company somehow gained $50 million in financing, purchased the company, quickly reselling it to another foreign conglomerate. They then were granted zoning variations needed to convert the factories into chic restaurants and shops, topped by million dollar condos. Perhaps I'm cynical, but I think that donating $50,000 of the company's money to the major's pet project may have helped. They then sold the property and development rights for about $350 million. At the time, the factory was producing at over 90% efficiency.

  • frank

    p.s. The company still exists, having changed hands 3 or 4 times in the interim. I can't be certain where they now produce their product.

  • Da King

    Government spending increases is not a chicken and egg argument. It's a hard economic fact. Government spending comes directly out of the private sector, leaving less money available to pay wages. It really is that simple at the end of the day. That 800% increase in government spending (far above the rate of inflation) comes out of everyone's paycheck. It's the paradox of big government. The more the government tries to "help," the poorer everyone gets. The USSR is an ultimate example. Those communists took care of everything, and all their people lived in poverty. Why the left thinks we should emulate any of those policies eludes me. To me, it sounds like advocating for one's own demise.

    Thanks for the factory story. I've worked for two different companies where my job was sold out from under me as the company was sold, once to a foreign company. I know the drill. I just consider it a fact of life. There are no guarantees.

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