Comments on: Cambridge Cops Support Crowley

By: pdt1420

pdt1420 — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:08:14 +0000

"go dumber", "go walter"… tomato, tomahto

By: walter

walter — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:19:36 +0000

is that the police report written by Crowley? The same report where Crowley fabricates a bullshit story that Whalen told him that she saw two black males with backpacks?

That police report?

I should go dumber?……..LOL

By: Da King

Da King — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:09:14 +0000

So, you don't have any evidence that Gates said the cops couldn't come in.

The police report says Gates opened the door.

Better go dumber.

By: walter

walter — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:54:58 +0000

on the previous thread King sez……"but I've heard no evidence that Gates denied the cops permission to enter, plus Gates opened the door to them."

I asked……….Where's the "Gates opened the door to them"?

Here's Gates inside his house calling Crowley who's on the porch a racist….I'm not sure that constitutes an invite

again, it was a bad bust…..the charges were dropped

By: Da King

Da King — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:09:14 +0000

It's the first you've heard of it because walter is making it up. There has been no testimony that Gates told Crowley he couldn't come in.

You better dumb it down a little more, walt.

By: larry d.

larry d. — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:42:12 +0000

Did Crowley force his way into the house or enter the home after Gates told him he couldn't? I admit the story bores me to death these days but that's the first I've heard of that.

By: walter

walter — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 15:20:10 +0000

King, I guess I didn't dumb it down enough for you and average…..the probable cause I am talking about is going into Gate's house. To go into Gate's house there is a higher threshold of probable cause thus Crowley fabricating the crap about somebody witnessing 2 black males with backpacks.

you say…." Crowley didn't have any reason to lie about the "two black males" part of his report that I can see." To justify entering Gate's house Crowley had EVERY reason to lie. Crowley fabricated a set of facts to fit the circumstances. According to Crowley the witness described 2 black males with backpacks……Gates matched the decription and bingo….we got probable cause.

If you are comfortable with a cop fabricating facts…….just say that

By: averagejoe5

averagejoe5 — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:37:18 +0000

King I thought it was already dumbed down, about 3/4ths of the way up this post.

By: Da King

Da King — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 00:56:18 +0000

Rev says, "Bob Herbert points out today that the entire time from the moment Crowley arrived until Gates was arrested was SIX MINUTES."

Wow. Crowley let Gates rant and rave, call him a racist, and talk about his mama for SIX WHOLE MINUTES ?

That's a tolerant cop. Most cops wouldn't take it for two minutes.

By: Da King

Da King — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 00:48:48 +0000

walter,
You're contradicting yourself about probable cause. Your second statement is the correct one. Crowley had probable cause to go to Gates house to investigate when the witness called the police to report a possible break-in. There's no "probably" about it. That's the police's job.

On the 911 call, Whalen indicated she wasn't sure of the race of the men involved. So, whether she said "two males," "two males with suitcases," "two black males with backpacks," "two gay men wearing pink tutus," or nothing at all regarding their description at the scene, it makes absolutely no difference. Crowley was there on legitimate police business in any case. There was no "threshhold of probable cause" for Crowley to overcome.

And your "in my experience" standard for deciding that Crowley is lying isn't worth responding to. It's just your opinion, based upon nothing except your own prejudices. I don't necessarily think either Whalen or Crowley was lying (but I obviously don't know for sure, because I have no way of knowing. It'd just be speculation). Crowley didn't have any reason to lie about the "two black males" part of his report that I can see. Neither did Whalen, other than maybe to stop the crazy threats she was receiving from the rabid lefties who were calling her a racist.

But thanks for dumbing it down. Good job.

By: walter

walter — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:29:31 +0000

King, let me dumb this argument down and maybe you'll be able to understand it better. As far as I am concerned there are 2 scenarios…..first there's scenario A….this is where Whalen is truthful and Crowley is lying. Then there is scenario B where Crowley is truthful and Whalen is not. Because of my experience I believe A is the most probable.

It's either A, or B….there is no C

I would pretty much guarantee you that Crowley fabricated the "two black males with backpacks" crap. It would simple allow him to overcome the threshold of probable cause. Here he had a description and the guy at the door matched that description.

He had a report of a break-in. That probably gave him enough probable cause to confront Gates. If he had a witness who described black males with backpacks and saw a person at the door that matched that description(which would be Gates) THAT would allow Crowley pretty much free rein to do pretty much anything he wanted. After the bust when Crowley was writting his report, he put that crap in there to support his claim of probable cause.

It's called CYA. That's probably the first thing taught at the police acadamy.

Is it a good idea to condone cops lying on police reports to cover their asses? NO…..period.

Right wing Fox news legal analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano probable saw thru Crowley's pack of lies that he tried to use to claim probable cause

just saying

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:48:04 +0000

Furthermore…..Bob Herbert points out today that the entire time from the moment Crowley arrived until Gates was arrested was SIX MINUTES.

Not much time for Gates to be on the phone TWICE, and still berate Crowley for very long. Right?

Crowley heard Gates talking on the phone, he was calling police headquarters to complain about Crowley, and THAT'S what Crowley could not stand. THAT'S what led to the arrest. It was a bit of real time payback.

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:44:09 +0000

The facts are not on King's side here..so I understand the frustration on his part.

It's not just the word "black" that Crowley invented. He used the word "backpacks" in his report. Where did that word come from? Backpacks, in the narrative of a break-in has a completely different connotation then suitcases. Agree?

Then, why did Crowley write that stuff in his report? Was he trying to paper over, after the fact, a botched response to the 9-11 call? Or do you think those errors were just coincidental? Which is more believable?

You're not a moron, I'm not a moron, and walter is not a moron.
You're not effing retarded, I'm not effing retarded and walter is not effing retarded. I'm sure you agree.

By: Da King

Da King — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:08:33 +0000

walter,
how many times do I have to say I'm not calling Whalen a liar before you stop asking me ?

Take your brain cell and go home.

By: Da King

Da King — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:04:41 +0000

Sorry joe, but I get a little exasperated listening to so much nonsense.

By: larry d.

larry d. — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:03:53 +0000

Two black fellows did enter the home, didn't they?

By: averagejoe5

averagejoe5 — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 00:15:16 +0000

it doesnt matter walt, you are speculating.

By: walter

walter — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:53:27 +0000

joe sez…… "However someone must have said they saw 2 black men entering the premise." yes, Crowley did and only Crowley

By: pdt1420

pdt1420 — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:44:33 +0000

oh walter… such a conservative…

By: averagejoe5

averagejoe5 — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:35:58 +0000

Of course it would matter if Crowley lied on the report. However someone must have said they saw 2 black men entering the premise. Can you prove he lied. No. Just like I can't prove Whalen lied or that Gates shouted threats against Crowleys momma. Seems like Whalen had more to lose or maybe she made some sh*t if she sought legal council, I wonder if there is more to the story between the neighbors, a feud maybe? All she did was call in a 911. Think about it Walt.

By: walter

walter — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:11:12 +0000

joe, would it matter if Crowley lied on the police report?

By: averagejoe5

averagejoe5 — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:35:31 +0000

Is that a scientific conclusion Walt. It doesn't matter if Whalen is lying or not. It doesn't matter if she said there were 2 black men with bags walking into Farakhans house. The house was owned by a black man. Use your head Walt. Deduction, look at all of the evidence then make an intelligent conclusion instead of just listening to MSNBC and running your mouth.
Ya know what I know about cops. If I ever needed one they were there. If I ever had one ask me for ID and I gave it to them they left me alone. I never yelled at one so I didn't have to worry about getting my ass kicked by one.
I have never been arrested.
Ya know what I know about scientists, most are full of sh*t.

By: walter

walter — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:26:50 +0000

Rev Redpants…….I have come to the conclusion that King, roybot and joe know absolutly nothing about cops (like they didn't know what scientists do) or they ARE cops.

By: walter

walter — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:07:51 +0000

so uh King….is Whalen lying or not?

By: averagejoe5

averagejoe5 — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:14:43 +0000

King – easy brother, I have some lisoprinivil(blood pressure medication), I'll drop it off later. LOL They can send you into a spin can't they. I was talking to a psychologist about the way libs think and he's blaming it on the vaccines the Libs require.

This really is some of the dumbest sh*t I have ever scene, next to Chris Mathews video in Rev's post. That dude is a total goof.