King sez……"Gates was arrested OUTSIDE his house after he wouldn't stop screaming at the cops in PUBLIC. He was arrested as soon as he left his house so he was arrested for what had transpired inside his house

"as Napolitano explained, the law only “allows an arrest for being disorderly if you are in public. … So if Professor Gates was arrested because of the words he used to police inside his house, on the front porch or on the front lawn, it was an improper arrest.”

average….nice strawman….has absolutly nothing to do with this case but nice none the less

This isn't a case where the cops were casually driving by and saw a person trying to get into a house because they locked their keys inside, this is a case where a reported crime may have been in progress.

Just messin' with ya.

quoting – "as Napolitano explained, the law only “allows an arrest for being disorderly if you are in public. … So if Professor Gates was arrested because of the words he used to police inside his house, on the front porch or on the front lawn, it was an improper arrest.”

I'm glad you brought this up again, walter. Gates was arrested OUTSIDE his house after he wouldn't stop screaming at the cops in PUBLIC.

quoting – "Napolitano added that police violated Gates’ Fourth Amendment rights the minute they entered his home without his permission"

This one's a possibility (a lot better possibility than that stupid racial profiling nonsense that prompted me to write about this in the first place), but I've heard no evidence that Gates denied the cops permission to enter, plus Gates opened the door to them.

What else ya got ?

"On Monday, Fox News Legal Analyst and former New Jersey state Judge Andrew Napolitano told to the conservative network’s audience that police broke the law when they arrested Professor Henry Louis Gates for disorderly conduct. Gates was charged with disorderly conduct during a conflict with police on his own property, but as Napolitano explained, the law only “allows an arrest for being disorderly if you are in public. … So if Professor Gates was arrested because of the words he used to police inside his house, on the front porch or on the front lawn, it was an improper arrest.”

"but as Napolitano explained, the law only “allows an arrest for being disorderly if you are in public. … So if Professor Gates was arrested because of the words he used to police inside his house, on the front porch or on the front lawn, it was an improper arrest.”

"but as Napolitano explained, the law only “allows an arrest for being disorderly if you are in public.

So if Professor Gates was arrested because of the words he used to police inside his house, on the front porch or on the front lawn, it was an improper arrest.”

joe, this is for you…..

Napolitano added that police violated Gates’ Fourth Amendment rights the minute they entered his home without his permission:

The law says, unless [a police officer] witnesses a felony…or unless he has a piece of paper from a judge—a search warrant or an arrest warrant—saying “you can go in that house,” he can’t go in the house. So when Professor Gates said “no you can’t come in,” and the police went in anyway [the police] violated the federal Constitution.

Of course Judge Napolitano was only a judge where you and King are the inventors of law……LOL

Stating the obvious, that walter's questions have not been answered convincingly, is just that.

And…perhaps you might explain what it is that conservatives accept as proper police behavior in situations like these. Is a homeowner at least safe from police abuse inside his own home or do the police have a right to do as Crowley did…….in less than six minutes from arriving, after finding out that, indeed, it's your house, you get arrested for talking loudly to a policeman inside your own home…..one whom you did not invite in.

I propose an experiment for you, walter. Go find a cop and then start yelling at him. Follow the cop around, ranting and raving. Call him a racist, say things about his mother. Do it in public. When he warns you multiple times to stop, just keep right on yelling at him. Let's see if you get arrested.

I'll bail you out.

Eventually.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Again in typical liberal style. If you cant make a point you try to attack a persons crediblity by trying to insinuate that I am a racist. We all are to a point, even you Walt. However I would not take away any of Gates' constitutional rights. He is an American and entitled to them, that's how conservatives roll. Not like the libs who want to continue to take away our rights, you are on the wrong team and don't know it. However I do know one thing about you, you are just like Obama, you make up sh*t without knowing the facts. You lied against my character and you don't even know me, you have never seen me or even talked to my friends or family to determine my character. You are a liar. How do you know I'm not black.

had nothing to do with Obama, the police broke the law.

Tell it to the Judge……LOL

LOL, yeah that's what it is Rev. Probably his superior intelligence. Haha

Well gee, let's see. The PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES backed up Gates, and the GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS backed up Gates. You freaking dimwits don't even understand that the POWER was behind Gates. The cop was just a regular blue collar worker.

D-U-H.

Good work.

And I agree wholeheartedly with your point about conservatives not sounding like conservatives by siding AGAINST the rights of a homeowner inside his own home and FOR a law enforcement representative's "right" to violate that homeowner's rights.

That isn't a conservative, let alone, libertarian position.

as far as the other part of your rant…..sterotype much?

wanting the police to respect a person's 4th Amendment rights is backward thinking? So be it.

King why waste your time trying to explain and reexplain to these haters of the establishment. They are backward in their thinking.

If Crowley was just going after Gates because Gates is black, why would the black officer at the scene SUPPORT CROWLEY ?????? Does the black officer hate blacks too ??? Why would the other black Cambridge cops support Crowley if he's such a racist ???? More blacks who hate blacks ????

Like I said on the other thread….you're an idiot.

"In his police report, arresting officer Sergeant James Crowley wrote that woman who reported the suspected break-in “went on to tell me that she observed what appeared to be two black males with backpacks on the porch of Ware Street.”

Attorney Wendy Murphy, who represents the 911 caller Lucia Whalen, said her client never spoke with arresting officer Sgt. James Crowley at the scene.

“Whalen’s lawyer [...] said yesterday her client’s only contact with Crowley was fleeting, with Whalen saying ‘Excuse me, I’m the one who called,’ and the Cambridge cop replying, ‘Stay right there,’”

already there are inconsistencies in Crowley's report.

in Crowley's report he says that Gates opened the door. Gates was calling Crowley a racist thru the front door. Do you really expect us to believe that Gates would invite a police officer into his home after he just called him a racist? Obviously even right wing Fox talker Judge Napolitano didn't buy into that crap.

when Gates called Crowley a racist Crowley opened that door and walked in and what Crowley's sole intent was to teach this elitist negro a lesson.

Come on guys, let's be honest, the only reason you support Crowley is because here's a white cop teaching an uppity negro a lesson

Now the Rev thinks conservatives should be against the police investigating reports of a crime, and that being FOR the police investigating crimes is somehow a violation of conservative principles. Un-be-liev-able, even for you, Rev. Calling for limited government and freedom is completely different than calling for anarchy, which is what you are describing with your anti-police rhetoric.

And who is more submissive to authority than liberals ? They want the government to control EVERYTHING, to take care of their every need, like they are little helpless children, like they are poor little victims of this mean old American society.

Gates never said "no you can't come in." I haven't heard that anywhere, not even in Gates statement through his attorney. The police report only says that Gates said he wouldn't come OUT initially when the officer asked him to, and that Gates opened the door for the police officers. There was no constitutional violation.