Below is a graph of the Earth's temperature change estimates from the IPCC's Third Assessment report in 2001.
Take a look at the period from 2000-2010 on the above graph. Do you see the steady upward climb of the Earth's temperature predicted by the IPCC ? Okay, hold that thought.
Here are the actual measurements of the earth's temperature since 2003.
The Earth's temperature has not followed the IPCC model. In fact, the Earth's temperature hasn't increased at all. It has decreased (ever since the 1998 El Nino effect created a modern high temperature mark).
Bottom line – The IPCC was wrong from the minute it published it's temperature estimates. The SCIENCE says so. We might want to take this into consideration before we wreck our economy by passing cap-and-trade.
No wonder the EPA didn't want to consider Alan Carlin's information. The EPA wanted to issue a carbon dioxide endangerment finding (and it did), and Carlin's information was an inconvenient truth for that agenda, as is the SCIENCE I just pointed out.
This leads me to wonder, is global warming science really settled, as the Goreacle claims, or is it merely global warming politics that is settled ?
Even more important, why isn't the mainstream media talking about this stuff ? Who are they working for ?
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hhhmmmmm….let's see, who are they working for? Good question King. Who was the first high powered person that raised concern about Global Warming? Right…Al Gore. In 2006 he brought it to our attention. In 2007 he took it before congress. Let's see he and a former Goldman Sachs executive founded Generation Investments in 2004. A company designed to provide funding for green companies and energy projects.
Let's see if I were starting a company that relied on green business and changing the energy of the worlds biggest consumer of energy I would probably create a great emergency. Like we are killing the planet with our lifestyle.
http://www.generationim.com/about/
Now that they proved that Global Warming was a farce and in question, they changed the name of their cause to stopping Global Climate Change.
What Gore and Blood have done is create another commodity for the with a guaranteed profit for years to come through political manipulation through a congress that is so corrupt they make the mafia look like neighborhood bullies. They will be trading carbon credits and selling them to companies throughout the US. Just something that "Blood and Gore"(the company nick name) trumped up. It is all for money and Gore, Blood, Soros and the current Dem congress are behind it all. The US citizens are being duped. If you think that US industry will remain here you are nuts. They will all be heading for China and India, neither are participating. This will kill America as we know it if it passes. I am not saying it will be horrible living here, but we won't ever recover to the levels the previous generation raised us to. We will be another Denmark and Belgium. This fall has been orchestrated for years, starting in the 90's and it involves NAFTA, the banks, the housing market, healthcare, all of it. The dollar will be the next thing to go and it will go quicker than I thought. It is losing value daily in huge amounts.
There was a saying that said America was to powerful to be conquered militarily. I had to be taken over from……. finish the statement.
Just like Rome…..
within.
How weird is it that liberals number one argument against "global warming deniers" is to say they are just dupes for Big Oil, when the Goreacle has hundreds of millions of dollars wrapped up in man-made global warming being true ? It would be comical if it wasn't so tragic.
you wouldn't happen to have any graphs covering the last 150 years do you? Considering the age of the earth, 5 years would be considered a blink of an eye….or less
Very true Walter. In fact, humanity's record keeping of temperature only goes back in great detail a few hundred years; a drop in the bucket for a planet which is estimated to be BILLIONS of years old. And, on top of that, a planet that has gone through many extreme cooling and heating periods WITHOUT the benefit of humans even being present.
it's cooler today than it was yesterday……….that means global warming is a myth………now that's republican science
why bother with these studies that cover 5 years
5 years….a drop in the bucket.
or
Science + man + money = Whatever the guy funding the study wants it to equal.
walter asks, "you wouldn't happen to have any graphs covering the last 150 years do you?"
Do you have a reading comprehension problem, walter ? The IPCC graph I posted started in 1765. It covered the last 244 years. But all it's future temperature estimates (from 2001 forward) have been proven wrong.
But if you are really interested in long-term temperature trends, you'll find that the Earth is relatively cool right now.
http://www.scotese.com/climate.htm
I'm sorry the scientific facts I presented don't fit your agenda, but they are still the facts.
ok walter, I'll bite, what does "conservative" science say about global warming?
walter's comment is correct…..today it's cooler than normal for July in Ohio. I suppose some would conclude from the last 48 hours that the earth is actually cooling.
here's a chart you should consider…
http://current.com/items/89630052_latest-temperature-chart-shows-where-climate-is-headed.htm
King you might be right about global warming but you are still WRONG. Why do you insist on dealing in logic,facts and consequences. The global warming issue supercedes such trivial things. This is about creating a new world in which mankind lives in harmony with mother earth and all its creatures. King the world is constantly evolving and moving forward and your opposition only demonstrates your lack of evolvement, thus negating any thoughts you may have on this subject.
Rev, everyone seems to have a chart of some sort. They all use them to prove each other wrong or to support each others theory. Your chart doesn't show the heat wave from 1930 to 1938 when temperatures were way above normal. Or the mini ice age of the 1400's. They use an average of temps which help them make their case. They should use an individual year candlestick chart that would show more detail and allow a more accurate view of history. We have evidence of global warming and cooling throughout history using scientific studies. It's like the economy, it's cyclical. What makes this particularly worse this time? The answer: someone is gaining power and getting rich.
King, What's up with Goldman-Sachs?
They seem bulletproof.
Rev,
Your chart was about the same as the ones I presented. Temperature dropping since the turn of the century, but with an overall increase in temperature of about 1/2 degree (give or take) over the last hundred years or so.
And the IPCC temperature projections from 2000 forward are still wrong.
angryc,
I know. I forgot that science IS faith to the libs.
And to think, they used to criticize Dubya for the same thing.
joe,
Goldman-Sachs loves Big Brother.
If you want to read some great satire, check this out.
http://www.agoravox.com/article.php3?id_article=10265
Y'know something King, if one fear mongerer would just come out and say "yeah, the projections weren't right. They're way overblown. We just know nothing will happen without our hyperbole. The whole point-of-no-return thing was just us being alarmists, but we still think there's a problem, so let's talk about it", I might have a little respect for them.
Instead you get: "Yeah? Well, have you seen this chart… what about this one? You either agree with me or you're a flat-earther… that's it, there's no more discussing it, I am prove right."
Good Lord these people are dumb.
Please a link to your chart 2003 to present . Where are you getting this information from ? I Find it odd no one questions the source.
My big question about global warming is this: What's the point of buying 'carbon credits'? I mean, other than to make money by selling someone something that is essentially without value to help them ease their guilt for contributing to a problem that isn't really a problem?
Climatologists have estimated that the Earth's temperatures were generally about 8-15 degrees Celsius higher than they have been in recent times, except when broken up by Ice Ages. http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7x.html
While I believe that all humans should be good stewards of the Earth (I recycle and drive a Prius, for crying out loud), I think that it's pure vanity for humans to believe that we are capable of destroying this planet. We may destroy ourselves, but not the planet.
Don't care much for graphs. ARe the ice caps and glaciers melting?
Tory – Carbon Credits are new items to the commodities market. They are going to make Gore, Blood, Soros the dem and rep politicians that sign on(like McCain, Pelosi, Reid etc) and our other leaders Mega-rich. This is a new commodity with built in profits until the year 2050. This is not about saving the planet, this is about wealth and power, period. If you can, check out Rolling Stone Mag this month.
I understand what they are, but I don't get the point. Why not buy some farmland and plant a forest? It just seems like it's more of a tax on guilt and stupidity than anything. I'm trying to figure out what, if anything, will be done with the money you spend on a carbon credit. Well, aside from buying Al Gore another SUV…
Frye, melting ice caps/glaciers doesn't necessarily show that humans are to blame. The planet has a history of that.
http://ff.org/centers/csspp/library/co2weekly/2005-04-21/polar.htm
(God help me, but I couldn't read this article with a straight face, simply because of the name of the guy they quote.)
The global warming purists cite the receding ice cap in Eastern Anartica as further proof of global warming. What they fail to tell you is that in the larger Western Anartica region the ice caps are not only not receding but growing in thickness which has resutled in a net gain of ice. This is but another example of the narrative being more important than the facts.
Media Matters on Fox's interview of Carlin.
http://mediamatters.org/research/200907010013
So Alan Carlin is a liar because he is saying that global warming is a lie? A half degree increase WTF. Think about that. How did they come to that conclusion? The earth has a fever? A persons temp can vary by 1 to 1.5 degrees and not be considered a fever. Are you kidding me? In this entire universe with a sun that does not burn at a constant temperature and all of the space between it and us, we take a .5 change in temp as the "sky is falling"? So now they are blaming it on CO2 and the new term is climate change. People are really taking this stuff serious? This is about the money folks. They have scared the population out of their wits about what is going to happen if they don't pay. Rev this sounds like the church doesn't it. We will burn to death if we don't do something. Give me a break. And they say the tea party people are nuts?
Well, the tea party folks are….kinda…nuts, but we digress.
Would America be better off if we reduced our dependency on fossil fuel, in particular, oil?
If the answer is yes….then carbon reduction efforts should be understood within that parameter.
If the answer is no….then there's nothing left to talk about.
One other comment to Tory's observations. A carbon tax would have been my preference….but in America today, any new taxes, like Osama Bin Laden, are seen as an enemy of the state. Prime example….California's financial meltdown….self-destruction rather than tax increases. Ignorant political bondage. Ohio's situation is comparable.
The cap and trade concept is a bone to big polluters and big "investor-traders." Now that capitalism in America has gone to seed….the only motivator we accept is greed.
That said, the bill, as I understand it, is fraught with problems, and probably won't get through the senate.
Those who argue that scientific evidence proves absolutely nothing….should rest easy.
Rev, I think the answer to whether we'd be better off without fossil fuels could be argued "no".
Fossil fuels are like a miracle concoction that we've been able to crack open into millions of uses.
And with an increase in efficiency and our huge advances in environmental technologies, half of the "negatives" of fossil fuels (environmental, dependence on other countries) are being negated daily. The other half could be solved by utilizing our own reserves.
Did someone mention the California meltdown?
Old thinking—-they spent themselves into bankruptcy by feeding the insastiable ever growing gov. bureacracy and creating never ending public spending programs.
new thinking—-they are in a financial meltdown because they wont raise taxes
old thinking– action: quit spending beyond means
new thinking— action: raise taxes to cover near term shortfall and ignore long term consequences
North America contains 16% of the world's oil reserves and 90% of that is in Canada. Now how are going to use out reserves to supply our oil needs. Also you can argue all day about whether you believe in climate change or not. The problem is that when the earth was HOTTER or COLDER in the past it was not covered with humans. There was enough space and enough slack in the system to accommodate the change.
angry,
Thanks for pointing that out. California has been the proving ground for all these liberal ideas over the past couple decades. They have all the resources, area, population, and economy to be a successful country, let alone state.
They're failing. Miserably. As Rev Wright once said, their chickens are coming home to roost.
Now we're supposed to copy some of their policies federally.
Alchemist, what % of the world's other fossil fuels do we have?
Your comment about the earth being hotter and colder in the past belies your belief that this bit of climate change is man made.
And in fact, when it has been hotter in the near past, and colder in the near past, it was populated by humans.
Rev , There are no big polluters in our country today. We have lost 60% of our industrial jobs to other countries. In the past yes. Have we cleaned it up? Yes. Cap and trade was invented to make big investors gobs of cash, just ask Blood and Gore (Their nickname). It is capitalism legislated on the backs of the American people. Americans are being forced to pay the burden through legislation and Wall Street is going to make gobs and gobs of cash trading this fictious commodity.
Do you really think we need tax increases Rev? Does California need increases? How about responsible spending and spending within our means. Maybe balancing a budget instead of spending like drunk sailors to advance our special interest groups and the power brokers that funded the poilitical campaigns. We waste so much money and we are being robbed of so much money it is pathetic.
Do we need to ween ourselves off of oil dependence. Yes. Here is how. Drill our own and develope energy alternatives that work without breaking the backs of Americans. We do not have energy alternatives that are cost effective. They are still in the developmental stages and we have time. There is a great opportunity here for everyone to make a living developing these technologies, it won't happen the way they are going about it. But our govt would rather create a false emergency as usual and hammer out the details later.
"Those who argue that scientific evidence proves absolutely nothing….should rest easy."
Praise Al Gore and hallelujah. Your savior has saved us.
Religion works doesn't it. Let's see.. Al Gore flyes private jets all over and has people brainwashed into following him. Sounds sort of like many of our current day preachers. Just send us the money and we will save your soul.
Only difference is we have the choice to follow the preachers. Rev Gore is getting Washington to legislate his future riches.
Have a good weekend everyone!
pdt1420 The climate has never changed for "no reason at all" — volcanoes spew dust and sulphate aerosols into the atmosphere and the droplets and particles reflected the sunlight back into space aaaaaaaaaand the world got cooler. There is a reason for the change in the climate we expect in the near future — besides the CO2 there is also the decimation of the forests and concreting and asphalting of cities and many many more humans that there have ever been before in the history of the world. There are lots of reasons why the climate is changing and many many of they are because of humans. BUT I personally suspect reducing CO2 emissions will not be enough to stop climate change and by the way I am a real scientist — I make my living by being a scientist. Perhaps that super volcano the scientists are talking about that is possibly developing under Mount St Helens will erupt and reduce the sunlight and the population and everything will be hunky dorey again. Then what would you guys argue about?
I still don't understand how carbon credits are supposed to help the environment in any way. Isn't that supposed to be the point of them? If not, then what the heck *is* the point, other than to assuage the guilt of many and line the pockets of a few? Can someone please explain that to me, or is it just one of those things that Gore told you was a good thing to do, so it must be?
alchemist – I admire you for being a scientist. Did you ever consider that maybe this is just natural and climate change will occur whether we want it to or not? What is the difference between concreting and heat absorbed through the desert? What % of the planet is actually concreted or developed? Is that being taken into consideration? Why all of the lies about the ice caps and the receding of the polar caps. Why when there are just as many scientists that disagree with this hypothesis is our govt rushing this through congress?
CO2 reduction is the cash part of the equation. The part where Gore and his band of theives and socialist pirates make a killing off of the American people.
I agree that man has probably done some things to hurt our environment, I get suspicious when people lie, make stuff up and cause people to panic to make a ton of cash.
Yes I understand that other things can cause global warming besides human activity, things totally beyond our control, but I thought the gist of this blog was that attempts to predict it as shown in charts were totally off. They may be off but the globe is certainly getting warmer – or are those clips of ice mountains disintegrating fake?
Yes it could be something else, but there seems to be a high corrolation with the amount of CO2 in the air and there seem to be lots and lots of scientists who think there's a connection. Maybe you should blog thgat although the globe IS warming, it ain't our fault.
Andrea,
Nobody is questioning my source because my sources are listed in the graph. They are Hadley and UAH, two of the major global temperature tracking outfits.
If I didn't know better, I'd think you were trying to discredit the science to fit your predetermined agenda.
alchemist,
As a scientist, wouldn't you agree that increased CO2 levels contribute to a greening of the planet ?
Frye,
As the charts I included showed, the planet has gotten warmer over the past century. All I'm attempting to do is show the recent trends, that the IPCC's temperature predictions made in 2001 have been wrong, by a lot. Why isn't this even being considered in the global warming debate ? It's like the info doesn't even exist. The problem with the man-made global warming debate in this country is that the media and government almost exclusively shows only one side of the debate, the Algorean's side. The rest of the science is marginalized or ignored. Whatever the ultimate answer proves to be (and I don't pretend to know), we should all get suspicious when the Algoreans refuse to even debate the issue, we should all get suspicious when scientific information is suppressed, and we should all get suspicious when we are told a scientific consensus exists when it does not.
Here's some counter information about those melting glaciers.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Glaciers.htm
And here's an alternative view to man-made global warming (that wasn't reported either).
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/25/jstor_climate_report_translation/
We probably need to send some 'pointed headed guys with briefcases' full of these charts up to Hudson Bay, Greenland, rtc. to reassure the Inuits etc.
Actually many of the current scientist that were promoting the Blood and Gore Project(Their nick name for their company not mine) Have decided that the current warming trend ended in 1998/99. I guess we are in a "better make sure mode" so send Rev Gore your redemptive fees and get healed and saved!!!