“Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends – life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government.” – Thomas Jefferson
Allow me to construct a hypothetical set of circumstances. Let's say our country was in the midst of a severe recession, that unemployment was rising rapidly as millions of jobs were being lost, that average people were having an increasingly difficult time getting by, that our industries were having a difficult time competing, that the value of the dollar was dropping, that we were up to our ears in debt……
Okay, that isn't hypothetical at all. That's what is actually happening.
Now, in response to this not-so-hypothetical set of crisis circumstances, what would you think of our government if it passed legislation that would bring about massive tax increases, that would make it even more difficult for our industries to compete, that would cause more job losses, that would raise energy costs dramatically, that would increase the price of practically every product consumers purchase, that would put the average person much further in the hole, and that wouldn't even provide the desired benefit of said legislation ???? (link)
I'd call that government destructive to the ends of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I'd want that government replaced for working against the interests of the American people. That's what I'm thinking today after the House of Representatives passed Cap-And-Trade legislation by a narrow vote of 219-212.
The Cap-and-Trade bill, also known as Waxman-Markey, also known as The American Clean Energy And Security Act, also known as the Let Them Eat Cake Act, is a 1,200 page monstrosity that nobody in the House had time to read, because the final version of the bill wasn't posted until the night before friday's vote, and a 300 page amendment was added at 3:00am on the day of the vote. I seem to remember President Obama saying something about having the most transparent administration EVAH !…….I guess Congress didn't get the memo on that, because they are operating like cat burglars in the dead of night.
Here's a quick rundown of the bad guys and the good guys in the House. The bad guys voting FOR the destruction of America included 211 Democrats and 8 Republicans. The good guys voting AGAINST destruction included 44 Democrats and 168 Republicans. You can find a complete vote tally here. I'd like to single out Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) for praise for standing against this bill. I've maligned Mr. Kucinich in the past, but I'm beginning to think I was wrong about him. He seems to be one of the few in the House who actually stands on his principles. That's noteworthy to me, even if I often disagree with him. The fact that 44 Democrats voted against this bill shows us that the Dems know Cap-And-Trade is a really bad idea, but lots of Democrats caved to pressure from the White House. El Presidente badly wants more control over all aspects of America, and this bill puts him in the express lane toward acquiring that control (but he believe in free markets ! lol).
"We've seen the example in Spain, it's a colossal mistake there, a political and an economic error. This could be the most colossal mistake ever made in the history of the United State Congress." – Congressman Steve King (R-IOWA).
I picked the above quote not only because a guy named King must be right, but because he mentioned Spain. What happened in Spain ?
Spain already implemented cap-and-trade, and has the most far-reaching renewable energy agenda in the European Union. The result ? Unemployment is at 18% in Spain (double the EU average), and there have been 2.2 jobs lost for every green job created. In addition, tons of subsidies are required for green energy initiatives to be competitive. The wind industry jobs created in Spain have come at a cost of $1.4 million PER JOB. (link)
Gee, who wouldn't want to emulate such "success" ???
But my favorite comment on the cap-and-trade legislation came from Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH), who when asked why he spent an hour reading portions of the bill aloud on the House floor, said, "Hey, people deserve to know what's in this pile of s–t." (link)
Even those who are in favor of restricting carbon emissions know that this cap-and-trade bill is, um, crap. Here's one such person, billionaire Warren Buffet of Berkshire Hathaway:
"I think if you get into the way it was written, it's a huge tax and there's no sense calling it anything else. I mean, it is a tax. And it's a fairly regressive tax. If we buy permits, essentially, at our utilities, that goes right into the bills of the utility customers, and an awful lot of people in Iowa, in Oregon, and Utah, and places where we are, very poor people are going to pay a lot more money for electricity. So I think that can be improved." (link)
Speaking of restricting carbon emissions, which is the stated purpose of cap-and-trade (all it's negative and destructive effects are just icing on the cake), exactly how much of an effect on global warming will this cap-and-trade bill have ? (for the sake of brevity, I'm assuming here that man-made carbon emissions are a significant cause of global warming, an assumption that is itself a source of controversy).
Washington Post writer Martin Feldstein lays it out in an article called Cap-And-Trade: All Cost, No Benefit.
The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the resulting increases in consumer prices needed to achieve a 15 percent CO2 reduction — slightly less than the Waxman-Markey target — would raise the cost of living of a typical household by $1,600 a year. Some expert studies estimate that the cost to households could be substantially higher. The future cost to the typical household would rise significantly as the government reduces the total allowable amount of CO2.
Americans should ask themselves whether this annual tax of $1,600-plus per family is justified by the very small resulting decline in global CO2. Since the U.S. share of global CO2 production is now less than 25 percent (and is projected to decline as China and other developing nations grow), a 15 percent fall in U.S. CO2 output would lower global CO2 output by less than 4 percent. Its impact on global warming would be virtually unnoticeable. The U.S. should wait until there is a global agreement on CO2 that includes China and India before committing to costly reductions in the United States.
Waxman-Markey will have NO EFFECT on global warming, but it will have the "benefit" of further destroying our country.
In spite of all this, there are many American corporations ready to jump on the green bandwagon and profit from the carbon credit trading frenzy that El Presidente is trying to unleash on us. You're even familiar with some of these corporations – AIG, General Motors, Goldman Sachs, General Electric…you know, the GOOD corporations that we've all come to know and love so much during the recession. They are ready to jump on the manufactured energy bubble and rake in the big bucks. That these same companies are all recipients of government bailouts is just a big old coincidence, I'm sure. Too bad Enron isn't around any longer. Those guys knew how to run an energy bubble. I bet most of you didn't even know that General Electric got a bailout. Somehow, that hasn't been mentioned by the mainstream media very much. Not only did GE get a bailout, they got a $139 billion bailout, second in size to AIG's bailout. Yet somehow, the enormous GE bailout hasn't been mentioned or condemned by major television networks like……NBC, nor by NBC's retarded cable stepchildren over at MSNBC (aka, The Obama Channel). I'm sure that has nothing to do with the fact that General Electric OWNS NBC, or the fact that GE is deeply in bed with the Obama administration. I'm sure that can't be it. Everyone knows MSNBC is a group of highly dedicated professional journalists who would never compromise their integrity or ideals for…….LOL. Oh, man. I can't finish this sentence. Sometime I even crack myself up.
But make sure you contact GE for all your carbon credit trading needs. They are primed and ready for all their cap-and-trade lobbying to start paying dividends.
As for you, America, I hope you like cake, because if you don't rise up and stop this Cap-And-Trade disaster in the Senate, cake is all you'll have left. And maybe some government cheese to go with it, if you're lucky.
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In your opinion, should the Environmental Protection Agency be eliminated?
Like cap and trade, doesn't the EPA just cost us all a bunch of money….and I mean, what good has the EPA done?
And how about that FDA? All the FDA does is make stuff more costly…..what good does it do?
Consumer Protection Agencies? Nothing but an inflation pump.
Why would we need any other protection other than the protection provided by big, righteous corporations? Big Corporations would never do anything to harm us either individually or collectively….I mean…..right?
Any legislation that starts the country on a path of using less fossil fuels…..is legislation that will be proven to be on the right side of history.
Nice use of detailed analysis, Reverend Lemming.
Yes the EPA should be abolished. They need to be reined in, they have ruined our industrial base in this country. Now countries that value their environments less are taking our place as the biggest, best and most powerful. We are america, we can take care of our environment without the billion dollar fines that go to support this group.
The FDA also. This is nothing but a group where money talks and many good ideas or mediacal cures walk. If they are so good why was their 140K class action lawsuits against groups controlled and regulated by the FDA between 1997 and 2005? It is totally controlled by lobbiests, not in the interests of our citizens.
Consumer protection agencies? What do they do, keep lead out of the toys? Are those their biggest triumphs?
Where were they when the govt was regulating the banks and credit card companies?
These are the only ones that need abolished. Add the NEA and the AMA and others. For dumming down our kids and programing false info into the minds of all Americans.
When I say abolished, I mean reorganized not just elimiated. All of these agencies are Bullsh*t. They are run by lobbiests and favors are given to the ones that grease the leaders palms the most.
King I don't understand why our leaders think they can "do" socialism, communism and govt controlled healthcare, energy and cap and trade better than other countries that are abandoning these practices. Cap and trade will be the death of industry and will cause the middle class, that voted for Obama's change, to head for the poor house. King you are right on in this post. This tax bill must be stopped! Call your senators. As long as you get your change I guess…..
from FactCheck.org………
Obama himself once said energy costs would "skyrocket" under his plan, but the GOP's partisan claim of a $3,100 per household cost increase is far higher than figures produced by other studies. The Environmental Protection Agency estimates the average cost per household to be between $98 and $140 per year, based on the Democratic cap-and-trade bill working its way through the House. Even the conservative, pro-Republican Heritage Foundation figures the average family would see its energy bill increase by $1,500 a year, less than half what the GOP claims. A Congressional Budget Office expert recently estimated the cost per household at an average of $1,600 a year, but that figure doesn't account for energy rebates Obama has proposed giving to consumers. If the government did use revenue from cap and trade "to pay an equal lump-sum rebate to every household," the CBO expert said, "lower-income households could be better off."
more from the CBO…….http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/103xx/doc10327/06-19-CapAndTradeCosts.pdf#page=16
Can everyone afford another $1500 per year? Especially when jobs are on the decline, income is flat and food is skyrocketing as well as the prices of everyday goods and services.
Obama is going to give energy rebates? When and where are they coming from? The big business's that emit the most carbon? Seems like a long way around. Do you have to qualify fot these rebates by income? If so we already have a program like that in place and it is unnecessary.
Stop the craziness! Obama and the democrats have their foot on the neck of the middle class and they are slowly, but surely crushing the windpipe.
Also when did it become legal for our leaders to vote on sh*t they haven't read? Then to vote on something pass it and change or add to it after it has passed? We saw what happened when Chris Dodd did this with the executive bonus program and then lied right to the face of the American public and he is still on the panel questioning the banking industry? WTF.
I know some of the people on here will follow Slobama to the edge of the earth and jump when he says it is time, but folks it is time to call your congressional leaders and stop this garbage. We are being duped with lies and fake public support polls. Even the guys that said 75% of the American public support socialized medicine admitted that the poll was a hoax.
Rev,
You said absolutely nothing that was on topic.
walter,
That $1600 figure from the CBO also doesn't include the increased price of all the consumer products that we'd have to pay if cap-and-trade is implemented.
And who would pay for the energy rebates ? We will, in the form of those same increased product prices.
With cap-and-trade we'll lose jobs, shrink our economy, outsource businesses overseas, increase the prices of almost everything, jack energy prices through the roof, dwindle domestic energy sources, and after all that, it will have no effect on global warming. What is possibly good about that ? I can't see a single thing.
joe,
I'm wondering how much longer anyone can still believe that the Democrats are for helping the little guy. Obama's policies will kill the little guy.
But they will sure enough ramp up the welfare state, which I believe is the endgame.
I also should have mentioned before that cap-and-trade would be the biggest tax increase in American history.
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/06/dems-pass-largest-tax-increase-in.html
King sez….."That $1600 figure from the CBO also doesn't include the increased price of all the consumer products that we'd have to pay if cap-and-trade is implemented."
from YOUR story………"The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the resulting increases in consumer prices needed to achieve a 15 percent CO2 reduction — slightly less than the Waxman-Markey target — would raise the cost of living of a typical household by $1,600 a year."
That's exactly what the $1600 figure represents……DUH
Hey Walt, can you tell me how someone who has lost both jobs in their household is supposed to come up with even $1600? It looks to me like there are a lot of people looking at begging from whoever they can find to advance them some money, and I don't think it will be from banks, either. When a household is living on whatever it can scrounge from charity or welfare or both where in hell are they going to find that $125 per month? I know, they can stop eating.
Rev Red you surely did avoid King's topic very well there. This is one of your best examples of avoidance of discussing the topic I have ever seen.
Folks did any of you read the words of Gene Taylor (D) Miss in that one link King provided? Taylor said, "A lot of people walked the plank on a bill that will never become law." I guess Taylor must be one of the beautiful 44. I am sure that most of the 211` Dems are in for some stormy times at home so most of them won't be available in their districts much of the month + off. LOL
King for an explanation of what has been going on with our govt, get rolling stone mag this month. Lots of good stuff.
walter,
Let's say your right on that one point (while ignoring EVERY other point I made). What is good about raising everybody's cost of living by $1600 ???? People are struggling already. Unless Obama's actual goal is to bankrupt the country, of course.
What say you, Mr. Conservative ? There must be more to consider than merely arguing with me.
joe,
I'll try to find a copy of Rolling Stone. I haven't read that mag in a long, long time.
And, walter, the CBO did NOT take into account all the economic effects of cap-and-trade in that estimate. Maybe I didn't state it correctly before, but the point still holds.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=50230
Quiz of the day:
Q. What is a terrorist?
A. Anyone that opposes the radical steps neccesary to confront global warming.
Therefore according to Paul Krugman(the often quoted source of the TRUTH by The Rev.) you King are a terrorist. It is time for all right thinking people to suppport the end of your treasonist actions.
from the cnsnews article……….."CBO does not examine the cost from lost production and energy use to the economy, including higher unemployment and reductions in wages and benefits that would come as businesses are forced to cut back on production due to federally mandated reductions in energy usage."
the part about…….."federally mandated reductions in energy usage." The only thing I could find was executive orders signed by Clinton and Bush (Executive Order 13423) that pertained to federal buildings and federal agencys.
anybody have a link to what cnsnews is talking about?
the King sez………"What is good about raising everybody's cost of living by $1600 ????"
also from the csnews article……"The analysis, which was released June 19, shows that if Democrats’ carbon reduction schemes turn out exactly as planned, government will be able to largely mitigate the per-household financial impact of a cap and trade system by redistributing the revenues collected from businesses across the population, resulting in a net per-household cost of about $165 per year."
just saying
Where do you think the businesses will get the money to pay the government the revenues it distributes 'across the population,' walter? My guess is it will be from the population.
larry…..you ever think of taking up rocket science for a career?
angryc,
Darn. I sure don't want to be a terrorist. I guess I'm in favor of destroying America with cap-and-tax now, heh, heh.
wow, walter. You insult larry while his obviously true point goes right over your head. That's…..something.
And speaking of missing obvious points, you ask where cnsnews gets it's idea about "federally mandated reductions in energy usage" from.
Um, mandated reductions in energy usage from fossil fuels is the WHOLE POINT OF CAP-AND-TRADE !!! What do you think it's about, trading a Yankees baseball cap for an Indians cap ?
walter, my company is already feeling the pinch from the State of Ohio from their new renewable energy legislation. Federal Cap-and-trade might push us over the edge. Our industry is a large energy user with razor thin margins as it is. When people think a 5 or 10% increase in energy costs isn't much, they need to understand what that means to industries with 1 to 3% profit margins.
I'm worried about $1600 a year for my family. Even if it's, well, pay more for energy each month, but the gov't will hit me back with a rebate later.
I'm more worried about the impact on our industry. I guess I won't have to worry about the electric bill at my house if I lose the house when my plant closes.
the federally mandated reductions in the cap and trade proposal is carbon emmisions……period
the cnsnews story…….."CBO does not examine the cost from lost production and energy use to the economy, including higher unemployment and reductions in wages and benefits that would come as businesses are forced to cut back on production due to federally mandated reductions in energy usage."
Where exactly in that statement does it say anything about fossil fuels? When cnsnews says a reduction in energy usage, I can only interpret that as a reduction in energy usage…….NOT a reduction in the use of fossil fuels.
That's why I was asking for links…..to see if anyone could verify wheather cnsnews was talking about a federal mandate to reduce fossil fuels or a federal mandate to reduce energy usage.
my apologies to larry
this from MediaMatters about the Spanish study cited in this story……
"Additionally, Spain's Union Institute of Work, Environment and Health (ISTAS) conducted an analysis of the Calzada study and stated that it contained a "lack of scientific rigor." ISTAS also said that the lack "of transparency that exists in the data provided is alarming" and that Calzada had written not "a study … but rather an essay providing opinions and written with editorial overtones based on secondary information that is poorly referenced and/or explained and which provides only partial statements of the facts." ISTAS also stated that one of the "real intention[s] behind the document" was to "try and influence the U.S. media." ISTAS further wrote of Calzada's study:
From a scientific-technical point of view we find that there is no explicit or true methodology used. This point seems especially relevant considering that this is a sector that has been recently created and that it is of strategic importance to the economy.
The fact that little prior information exists and that it is difficult to study this new sector, makes it necessary to create tools that are appropriate for analyzing it or for the previously existing tools to be used with the utmost care, with the knowledge, while doing so, that they will inevitably have to be adapted. Any method used in research must be stated clearly, is subject to criticism and should be constantly revised and corrected. It is impossible to do so considering how this document is laid out, being that the concepts, information and arguments therein have been set out haphazardly.
The lack of transparency that exists in the data provided is alarming, all the data has been obtained from secondary sources, without considering whether they are of a comparable nature or not. No bibliographical reference is specified for much of the data, nor is there any explanation as to the methods used to calculate it. It does not appear to be a new, original work but rather an attempt to adapt data from other studies and make it fit, studies that, in general, have no relationship with what is Spain's day-to-day reality.
just saying
this from MediaMatters…Walt this was as far as you had to go with that diatribe. They are owned in part by George Soros, enough said.
joe sez…….."They are owned in part by George Soros…."
care to prove that?
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=7541
Here is one example. There are hundreds more.
Soros is interested in changing the world to an open border, one world govt. Read about his organization.
It isn't just him, there are 3 or 4 of these hugely rich foreign libs that hate America and it's values and they are buying the democrats elections. And it isn't just Obama and the Dems. It is some Republicans and Independents.
This is why you will see the emergencies and the "tastes of hope" that Obama promises. Only crumbs and tastes. This is one of the reasons McCain lost the election. Obama was their man. McCain wrote the McCain/Feingold bill that allowed Soros legal power to influence the media. Read more, study history more, look into the backgrounds and you will see. America is fu**ed. And it because we are being taken over by an enemy from within. This is why no matter what the Dem/Libs do, nothing happens to them. These aren't my mom and dad's democrats.
If you listen to local talk radio you will hear info about Gore, Soros, Goldman Sachs and their myriad of CEO's including Paulson, and the rest of the money grabbers and what the carbon tax and global warming is all about. I was telling people about this and the coming economic collapse in 2005/6. Now it is too late.
This wasn't a chance collapse of the world economy either. This was orchestrated from the beginning and began in the mid-90's. I can show you everything by the market charts and who invested and who sold in what companies and countries. These people can control trillions of dollars. They could easily collapse our economy, they did it to England and completely devalued the GBP.(British Pound).
Here is my latest advice. If you have any substantial amounts of money in the bank, 401K, Savings, IRA's take it out and buy land. Not gold, not stocks, not futures or precious metals. Land will be the only thing that will secure your future, the rich have now collapsed the real estate market and this is what they are buying and owning through attrition. Remember the Fed can print money the accounting and value is only on paper. Losses are written off and profits are still taken.
The dollar is going to bite the dust in about 4 years. It and your retirement funds will be worthless and just like the days of yore the average man will be a slave to the land owner. Also Obama wasn't lying about things getting worse before they get better. You will see 15 to 20% unemployment in America within 5 years.
Sorry for the off subject rant.
walter,
I take it as a given that the people who favor Spain's cap-and-trade program (ISTAS) would attempt to smear anyone who provides statistics showing the damage it is doing.
I could have used Germany as an example of how cap-and-trade wrecks an economy. Germany's poor results mimic Spain's.
And if you can't see that cap-and-trade is meant to reduce energy from fossil fuels (by lowering carbon emissions), then I don't know what to tell you. You aren't paying much attention. That's what the green agenda is all about.
joe,
I wish I could disagree with that last post of yours, but I can't. I see the same American future as you do. The handwriting is all over the wall, but very few are admitting it. Some are even actively attempting to whitewash it. Obama leads the pack in that respect. He is leading us down the road to destruction at record pace. I thought Bush was bad on the economy, but Obama makes him look like a piker. It's almost like Obama is trying to wreck things on purpose (the Alinsky way).
joe…..so your statement…….."They are owned in part by George Soros…." is false.
King….again, the cnsnews story says nothing about fossil fuels. The question is…….is there a federal mandate to reduce energy usage?
I understand that one of the benefits of cap and trade is to lessen our dependence from oil and particularly foriegn oil. That's NOT what the cnsnews story said.
so you don't know of any federal mandate in the reduction of ENERGY USAGE
No Walt, did you watch the video. Are you using liberal nerd symantics?
Whatever, I just bought 3 tons of sand for my neices and nephews to play in for our Luau this weekend. Feel free to come over and bury your head in it, ostrich style.
He'll need some help dislodging it first, joe. No offense walter.
joe….your statement…….."They are owned in part by George Soros…." is false. There are no liberal symantics involved…..Soros simply does not own a part of MediaMatters.
larry…….the King posted this story on June 28 at 7:36 am. This story is about how the costs of cap and trade are going to be borne by American families. At 6:48 PM June 29, a full 35 hours later, larry makes a truly remakable revelation that the costs of cap and trade are going to be borne by the American family……and you tell me that I need to pull my head out of my ass?
He owns them because he funds them, he bankrolls them. Since he funds them he and his minions control what they say. Just like he bankrolled and funded BO's and many of the key dem political campaigns, he now owns Barrak Obama and the rest of the democratic party. He influences their every move. This is why they are moving so fast on all of these big programs. Many of the people are saying no, they, the dems, don't give a sh*t. I'll be sure to be clearer next time.
I own Haven of Rest because I send them donations?
joe, you are simply being dishonest. Take your head out of that sand pile
Walt, you know what I'm talking about. It all depends on how much you give. If you give enough you will definitely get a preferred bunk. Or control the portions of food they can serve. If you don't think moneys talks then get some and spread it around a little. You will be surprised at the things you can get people to do and say when you threaten to cut off their money supply. Look at all of the welfare people that came out to to vote for Obama when he threatened that McCain was going to take some of their free stuff away. Or that Bush was ripping them off. Look how many middle class sold their souls to the devil to get an extra $12 to $16 per week in their paycheck even though it has cost them over a million jobs. Wait until they see how much their energy costs go up by $75 to $300 per month.
I knew you wouldn't disappoint me Walt, when backed in a corner you pulled out the libs favorite weapon, the old: "we'll lie and call ya a name" tactic. Good one. Are you related to mary or terje.
We can only hope walt is just pretending.
joe, all I know is what you wrote. You said MediaMatters is OWNED in part by Soros. What you wrote is simply not true.
What do you want me to do? Agree with something that is simply not true?
Sorry, won't lower myself to your level.
Soros and Media Matters are birds of a feather, and Soros does fund Media Matters, albeit indirectly. Soros is a shadowy figure who tries to hide his involvement.
From the following link:
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7150
"Media Matters has not always been forthcoming about its high-profile backers. In particular, the group has long labored to obscure any financial ties to George Soros. But in March 2003, the Cybercast News Service (CNS) detailed the copious links between Media Matters and several Soros "affiliates"—among them MoveOn.org, the Center for American Progress, and Peter Lewis. Confronted with this story, a spokesman for the organization explained that "Media Matters for America has never received funding directly from George Soros" (emphasis added), a transparent evasion.
Nor were groups cited by CNS the only connection between Media Matters and Soros. As investigative journalist Byron York has noted, another Soros affiliate that bankrolled Media Matters was the New Democratic Network. In addition, Soros is reported to be involved in the newly formed Democracy Alliance, a partnership of some 80 affluent financiers who each have vowed to contribute $1 million or more in order to build up an ideological infrastructure of leftist thinks tanks and advocacy groups. News reports list Media Matters as a main beneficiary of the Alliance's funding. By August of 2004, Media Matters' operating budget had already doubled to $4 million.
To summarize, Soros and his Open Society Institute pour millions of dollars into the coffers of MoveOn, the Center for American Progress, and Democracy Alliance. In turn, these organizations funnel some of that money to Media Matters."
Soros is the money man. Any questions ?
King, you at joe's party and get your head stuck up in joe's sand?
For the 50th time…..Soros DOES NOT own part of MediaMatters.
Any questions?
Walt I apologize I don't know you an you may not know the slang or the way guys talk in our country.
You are right he doesn't have the deed or even a key to the front door. He doesn't own the coffee machine or the phones or the copier. What he is doing is using his power and influence and control of the media and money to promote a socialist agenda in our country. He is doing this by pouring money into the press and the organizations that will promote his "American Hating" ideals. He is also picking and financing the campaigns of govt officials and giving them firm backing and contributions as well as commercial and advertising time that flows through many channels including "moveon.org" and "mediamatters". For instance he chose to back Obama after considering promoting Hillary for president because he knew that Obama is experienced as a community organizer, has little political leadership experience, would be more controversial and would do as he was told. You can find this info in a YouTube interview from 2008. His and his groups goal is to change our govt and our constitution, just as he backed countries in Africa and Georgia against Russia in Europe. He also broke the Bank of England trading currency in the 80's. He is a firm believer in a system where poor people should have no say because they contribute nothing to society. He along with Wade Rathke have an agenda that villanizes america as it is today and are influencing our govt and the people to overtake our capitalist way of life and our top govt officials are getting rich from this. This isn't only Dems although the bulk of them are.It also includes Republicans and I feel George Bush in his 2nd term.
Sorry if I offended you. Also the sand remark was a little rude on my part. My apologies.
Here is more info on Soros. His organization is called "Open Society Institute".
It is the same type of organization as Wade Rathke and ACORN. Very influential, very well funded, Soros makes Billions per year in investments.
http://dotherightthing-cyberpastor.blogspot.com/2009/01/from-soros-facebook-group.html
joe sez…."Walt I apologize I don't know you an you may not know the slang or the way guys talk in our country." joe, do you ever NOT make excuses for your bad behavior?
I'm a conservative and I donate to MediaMatters. I'm certainly not a one worlder. I donate because MediaMatters pushes back against republican dis-information.
conservatives are not afraid of MediaMatters………republican propagandists like you and King certainly are. They must be doing something right
Congrats, walter. That last post might have been the most illogical one I have ever read, and I've been doing this stuff for years.
A conservative who supports Media Matters, handmaidens of George Soros. Hmmm. Whatever you say.
And I'm a Libertarian who believes in an all-powerful centralized federal government, lol.
Wow, George Soros is, like, the all powerful American anti-Christ, huh?
Talk about your tin foil headware.
Would anybody like to address the reality my company is facing, or should we just jostle about the day to day business of Soros.
Stupid liberals, theoretical, never practical. Their ideas are never ever wrong, even when their execution fails… it's just that they haven't done enough yet.
I would like to address the reality of your company by killing cap-and-trade deader than a doorknob.
The libs don't care how many people get hurt over this. That isn't even a consideration to them. There are polar bears to save.
pdt…..we know absolutly nothing about your company…..how are we supposed to comment about it? Give us some specifics.
and King is of course a libertarian that regugitates republican propaganda…..now you got me laughing
walter… not knowing any details about something has never stopped you before.
Act like your boy Obama and say vague things, like my company will overcome this through efficiency and the power of american ingenuity.