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“Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends – life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government.” – Thomas Jefferson

Allow me to construct a hypothetical set of circumstances. Let's say our country was in the midst of a severe recession, that unemployment was rising rapidly as millions of jobs were being lost, that average people were having an increasingly difficult time getting by, that our industries were having a difficult time competing, that the value of the dollar was dropping, that we were up to our ears in debt……

Okay, that isn't hypothetical at all. That's what is actually happening.

Now, in response to this not-so-hypothetical set of crisis circumstances, what would you think of our government if it passed legislation that would bring about massive tax increases, that would make it even more difficult for our industries to compete, that would cause more job losses, that would raise energy costs dramatically, that would increase the price of practically every product consumers purchase, that would put the average person much further in the hole, and that wouldn't even provide the desired benefit of said legislation ???? (link)

I'd call that government destructive to the ends of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I'd want that government replaced for working against the interests of the American people. That's what I'm thinking today after the House of Representatives passed Cap-And-Trade legislation by a narrow vote of 219-212.

The Cap-and-Trade bill, also known as Waxman-Markey, also known as The American Clean Energy And Security Act, also known as the Let Them Eat Cake Act, is a 1,200 page monstrosity that nobody in the House had time to read, because the final version of the bill wasn't posted until the night before friday's vote, and a 300 page amendment was added at 3:00am on the day of the vote. I seem to remember President Obama saying something about having the most transparent administration EVAH !…….I guess Congress didn't get the memo on that, because they are operating like cat burglars in the dead of night.

Here's a quick rundown of the bad guys and the good guys in the House. The bad guys voting FOR the destruction of America included 211 Democrats and 8 Republicans. The good guys voting AGAINST destruction included 44 Democrats and 168 Republicans. You can find a complete vote tally here. I'd like to single out Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) for praise for standing against this bill. I've maligned Mr. Kucinich in the past, but I'm beginning to think I was wrong about him. He seems to be one of the few in the House who actually stands on his principles. That's noteworthy to me, even if I often disagree with him. The fact that 44 Democrats voted against this bill shows us that the Dems know Cap-And-Trade is a really bad idea, but lots of Democrats caved to pressure from the White House. El Presidente badly wants more control over all aspects of America, and this bill puts him in the express lane toward acquiring that control (but he believe in free markets ! lol).

"We've seen the example in Spain, it's a colossal mistake there, a political and an economic error. This could be the most colossal mistake ever made in the history of the United State Congress." – Congressman Steve King (R-IOWA).

I picked the above quote not only because a guy named King must be right, but because he mentioned Spain. What happened in Spain ?

Spain already implemented cap-and-trade, and has the most far-reaching renewable energy agenda in the European Union. The result ? Unemployment is at 18% in Spain (double the EU average), and there have been 2.2 jobs lost for every green job created. In addition, tons of subsidies are required for green energy initiatives to be competitive. The wind industry jobs created in Spain have come at a cost of $1.4 million PER JOB. (link)

Gee, who wouldn't want to emulate such "success" ???

But my favorite comment on the cap-and-trade legislation came from Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH), who when asked why he spent an hour reading portions of the bill aloud on the House floor, said, "Hey, people deserve to know what's in this pile of s–t." (link)

Even those who are in favor of restricting carbon emissions know that this cap-and-trade bill is, um, crap. Here's one such person, billionaire Warren Buffet of Berkshire Hathaway:

"I think if you get into the way it was written, it's a huge tax and there's no sense calling it anything else. I mean, it is a tax. And it's a fairly regressive tax. If we buy permits, essentially, at our utilities, that goes right into the bills of the utility customers, and an awful lot of people in Iowa, in Oregon, and Utah, and places where we are, very poor people are going to pay a lot more money for electricity. So I think that can be improved." (link)

Speaking of restricting carbon emissions, which is the stated purpose of cap-and-trade (all it's negative and destructive effects are just icing on the cake), exactly how much of an effect on global warming will this cap-and-trade bill have ? (for the sake of brevity, I'm assuming here that man-made carbon emissions are a significant cause of global warming, an assumption that is itself a source of controversy).

Washington Post writer Martin Feldstein lays it out in an article called Cap-And-Trade: All Cost, No Benefit.

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the resulting increases in consumer prices needed to achieve a 15 percent CO2 reduction — slightly less than the Waxman-Markey target — would raise the cost of living of a typical household by $1,600 a year. Some expert studies estimate that the cost to households could be substantially higher. The future cost to the typical household would rise significantly as the government reduces the total allowable amount of CO2.

Americans should ask themselves whether this annual tax of $1,600-plus per family is justified by the very small resulting decline in global CO2. Since the U.S. share of global CO2 production is now less than 25 percent (and is projected to decline as China and other developing nations grow), a 15 percent fall in U.S. CO2 output would lower global CO2 output by less than 4 percent. Its impact on global warming would be virtually unnoticeable. The U.S. should wait until there is a global agreement on CO2 that includes China and India before committing to costly reductions in the United States.

Waxman-Markey will have NO EFFECT on global warming, but it will have the "benefit" of further destroying our country.

In spite of all this, there are many American corporations ready to jump on the green bandwagon and profit from the carbon credit trading frenzy that El Presidente is trying to unleash on us. You're even familiar with some of these corporations – AIG, General Motors, Goldman Sachs, General Electric…you know, the GOOD corporations that we've all come to know and love so much during the recession. They are ready to jump on the manufactured energy bubble and rake in the big bucks. That these same companies are all recipients of government bailouts is just a big old coincidence, I'm sure. Too bad Enron isn't around any longer. Those guys knew how to run an energy bubble. I bet most of you didn't even know that General Electric got a bailout. Somehow, that hasn't been mentioned by the mainstream media very much. Not only did GE get a bailout, they got a $139 billion bailout, second in size to AIG's bailout. Yet somehow, the enormous GE bailout hasn't been mentioned or condemned by major television networks like……NBC, nor by NBC's retarded cable stepchildren over at MSNBC (aka, The Obama Channel). I'm sure that has nothing to do with the fact that General Electric OWNS NBC, or the fact that GE is deeply in bed with the Obama administration. I'm sure that can't be it. Everyone knows MSNBC is a group of highly dedicated professional journalists who would never compromise their integrity or ideals for…….LOL. Oh, man. I can't finish this sentence. Sometime I even crack myself up.

But make sure you contact GE for all your carbon credit trading needs. They are primed and ready for all their cap-and-trade lobbying to start paying dividends.

As for you, America, I hope you like cake, because if you don't rise up and stop this Cap-And-Trade disaster in the Senate, cake is all you'll have left. And maybe some government cheese to go with it, if you're lucky.

{ 69 comments… read them below or add one }

walter July 2, 2009 at 1:06 pm

pdt……wtf are you talking about

walter July 2, 2009 at 1:51 pm

dpt….if you didn't want to talk about the realities your company is facing why'd you even ask?

pdt1420 July 2, 2009 at 2:14 pm

Oh, my bad walter, I thought you read the posts above before you responded to them.

Please see June 30 @8:45am regarding how any price increase from Cap-and-trade is going to severly hurt the primary metals industry.

Also, it's become apparent by your lastest posts that you are a child.

walter July 2, 2009 at 5:37 pm

pdt…..where in that post do you say ANYTHING about primary metals industry?

you pal are just simply dishonest

creep

The Reverend July 3, 2009 at 11:13 am

pdt says….

"Federal Cap-and-trade might push us over the edge. Our industry is a large energy user with razor thin margins as it is."

It might. And then maybe not….I mean, right? Lots of industries are large energy users. Lots of industries are (especially right now) operating on razor thin margins.

This is a time for major change in America. We're way past due. Lots of stuff may change. But it's nothing new, really. Think of all the rubber and steel wokers who saw their lives disrupted by a "rush to the bottom", (still going on), to find the cheapest labor prices. Consider the millions of jobs eliminated through outsourcing and the millions more that will be outsourced in the future.

I know that is of little consolation….but, I think, it does provide perspective.

pdt1420 July 3, 2009 at 11:36 am

Rev,

There are some assumptions that we have to agree on to tighten the scope of our analysis. For example, we need to agree that C&T will raise energy prices, even slightly.

I agree that many industries are heavy energy users. Usually not to the extent of the metals industry, but you're right, this is going to hurt many industries, not just mine.

Also, everyone IS operating within thin margins, the majority of which have had to lay people off just to get back to barely profitable. That means that any additional costs to the companies will directly lead to more layoffs. There isn't the built in buffer zone anymore. Additional costs to companys and job loss are nearly one:one now.

After that point in your post is where you go all Obama on us. Change. Ingenuity. We'll all get through this. Everyone must make sacrifices. I don't buy it. Not only do I not think it's necessary (all your examples were NOT government mandates, so this is different), but I also don't think that there's some ridiculously efficient process out there that we all haven't thought of.

I know that may shatter some ideals of human ingenuity, but as a scientist let me tell you that we are already squeezing the last bits of efficiency out of what we can do. Mandating that we figure it out isn't going to make it happen, especially not in the short term when people will continue to lose jobs.

That's why you liberals better be DAM sure about this climate change thing. I hope you realize the cost associated with your C&T idea. Could we hold off on the energy legislation? If there's another way of doing things just on the horizon, can we not just let it happen naturally?

And if, like in another thread, you believe that this is all worth it so long as we "decrease our dependence on oil", I hope you realize that your cutting the rest of us off at the knees for it.

Da King July 4, 2009 at 10:58 am

Rev says, "Think of all the rubber and steel wokers who saw their lives disrupted by a "rush to the bottom", (still going on), to find the cheapest labor prices"

You mean like GM and Chrysler ? Just the opposite was true in their case. Their labor costs bankrupted them.

The thing you consistently overlook is, there won't be ANY jobs if the companies can't compete and go out of business. The world isn't some utopian fantasy. There is reality to deal with.

Da King July 4, 2009 at 10:59 am

walter,
Thanks for making it apparent that you don't know anything about Libertarian principles.

roysoldboy July 4, 2009 at 5:36 pm

pdt, you have been a bit tough on the libs but what you say is what I have always been saying to them about Crap and Tax. Somehow all they can think about is that getting even and establishing the necessary government control to establish socialism is the only way to go. They have a Congress that is willing to go there and a President to go along with them. We need to fear this law that is supposedly to control CO2 but is more certainly the method to strengthen the government's hold on businesses that can't possibly survive under a law like this.

Somehow Rev Red and others like him really seem to believe that all business can be carried on better with government ownership.

roysoldboy July 4, 2009 at 5:41 pm

King, when do you think you will manage to convince Rev Red that so much of that outsourcing he rants about came from restrictive laws, mostly taxes, that forced businesses to either go broke paying the taxes or leave this nation that was charging those taxes? Just think how many years you have been trying and without a bit of headway being made.

He says we should give this Crap and Tax thing a chance to work and he knows as little about all that is buried in it as the rest of us do. After giving it a chance and driving other businesses out of the country it will be too late to give something else a chance. Wouldn't it be nice to get him to look at things without those red colored lenses?

Da King July 5, 2009 at 7:51 am

Roy, I don't think I'll ever convince the Reverend of anything. His ideology is set in stone. I just hope I can convince a few others that modern liberalism doesn't comport with reality, and that socialism (communism lite) is the preferred ideology of tyrants. Many liberals seem to think we just haven't gotten socialism "right" yet. They don't understand, there is no getting it right. It leads to totalitarianism always, by definition. Once you cede your individual rights to the state, they are gone, end of story.

walter July 5, 2009 at 1:31 pm

King sez……."walter,
Thanks for making it apparent that you don't know anything about Libertarian principles."

what, being a republican propagandist and repeating republican dis-information is a libertarian principle?

King, do libertarians a favor……don't ever again claim you're a libertarian. Just keep carrying water for your republican mis-informers.

Richard Cranium 1420 AKA ptd sez………."Act like your boy Obama….." That wasn't a slip was it Cranium?

if you're a scientist I'm Warren Buffett……..of course if YOU were Warren Buffett you wouldn't be saying Obama is the right man for the job…..you would say Obama is the right BOY for the job

I'd like to amend me calling you a creep to calling you a racist creep

Da King July 6, 2009 at 8:22 am

Walter,
You're cracking me up. Here we are on a thread where I came out against cap-and-trade (that is the Libertarian position, which you'd know if you knew anything about Libertarians), then you come out FOR cap-and-trade, and you think YOU are the conservative. Classic.

Cats are dogs, birds are rabbits, up is down, and right is left in Walterworld.

walter July 6, 2009 at 2:59 pm

King…..you couldn't tell the truth if you were tortured by being waterboarded…..where in ANY of my posts do I come out for cap and trade?

King……conservatives and libertarians don't promote republican lies and propaganda like you do. Conservatives simply don't need to depend on lies.

Da King July 7, 2009 at 9:36 am

Oh, I see. You have been arguing with me about my post against cap-and-trade because you are also against cap-and-trade. Right. Like that makes sense. You're hilarious, walter.

And for the fifth time or so, what are your conservative principles ? They sure aren't apparent to me, and you refuse to discuss them.

Libertarians are against cap-and-trade, for the reasons I listed in my post. Nice try.

walter July 7, 2009 at 11:51 am

King…all I've argued is the republican mis-information and propaganda that you continue to push.

people need good information to make informed choices. They CAN NOT make informed choices using the republican propaganda and outright lies that you push.

those are my conservative principles.

a republican propagandist saying libertarians are against cap and trade has absolutly no credibility. none….zero….zip

averagejoe5 July 7, 2009 at 9:32 pm

Walter, how do you proclaim conservative information and principles while quoting a liberal website? Are you speaking of your principles as being conservative for you or are you a conservative in the Republican sense of the word? We aren't clear.

As far as your 1st post. No one knows how much Cap and Trade will drive up costs. If it drives up costs in FL by $1000 and here by $3000. Is that an avg of $2000?

We are a coal energy producing state. Doesn't it make sense that our power will increase more. Or isn't that what King said? Do you really think they actually know? Do you think that they may be politicians so they may be lying to us a little just to soften the blow? Many of the energy systems ie solar and wind haven't been tested or studied enough to know exactly what the impact will be. I have already seen that the govt is going to subsidize energy in some areas. That is a crock.

Da King July 8, 2009 at 8:22 am

walter says, "all I've argued is the republican mis-information and propaganda that you continue to push."

Well, why don't you help me out then ? Go through my original post and point out my "republican propaganda and outright lies" about cap-and-trade. Just a quick listing of them all. Lord knows, I don't want to be a propagandist and liar.

Da King July 15, 2009 at 10:04 am

That's what I thought.

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