Comments on: If You Can't Dazzle 'Em With Brilliance…

By: frank

frank — Wed, 13 May 2009 19:07:21 +0000

Mr. King,
That Constitution thingy, or as Bush called it, "just a goddamned piece of paper", was pretty much in tatters when Obama took office. This recession will last a lot longer than 8 years if he doesn't undo the deregulation frenzy and "free" trade policies that have taken us here. Yeah, Bush is gone, but we will suffer the effects of his mistakes for long after Obama, just as we now suffer from the mistakes of Clinton. While we agree on the danger of deficit spending, I think the answer at this time is to undo the tax cuts that the rich have enjoyed, bring our troops home to defend our borders, and cast a much smaller shadow on the rest of the world.

Tory Bug and anghry conserv,
If FDR was taking us towards socialism, he failed. In fact, many economists believe that it was the elimination of FDR era regulations that caused Wall street to turn into a veritable casino.
The principal reason for any government is to provide for the common defense. To serve that function, government must protect us from more than invasion. Whether it defends us against another government, a pandemic, criminals, or unfair business practices, it is a legitimate function and shouldn't be considered to arise from compassion.

averagejoe5,
If you wish to believe that we would have been better off not entering WWII, then you are getting into tin foil hat territory. Believe it or not, back then conservatives were also isolationists, and for whatever merit the theory that FDR caused our entry into WWII has, by waiting to enter the war, we faced a stronger enemy and perhaps higher casualties.
Truman had to decide whether to use the bomb or accept an estimated 1 million casualties resulting from the invasion of Japan. The war in Korea was fought to contain communist expansion with much support from the Republicans.
Many believe that Kennedy was killed because he was going to get us out of Vietnam. Johnson was close to a treaty to end our involvement in Vietnam in 1968, but the talks were sabotaged by Nixon to help him get elected. This cost the lives of 26,000 US soldiers.
While I would characterize it as more the Dems cleaning up Rep messes, neither party is without its faults. I think it is time to realize that both parties are constantly jockeying for power vis-a-vis the other and that their concerns for anything else are peripheral to staying in power.

By: Da King

Da King — Tue, 12 May 2009 11:19:20 +0000

Roy,
Well, it wasn't like we really need that Constitution thingy anyhow. It just gets in the way of people like Lord Obama.

By: Da King

Da King — Tue, 12 May 2009 11:16:58 +0000

If FDR ended the Great Depression, why didn't it end until WWII, about 8 years after FDR took office ?

If the current recession lasts until 2018, would you say Obama ended it, or Obama prolonged it ?

By: averagejoe5

averagejoe5 — Tue, 12 May 2009 02:51:27 +0000

Yeah good old FDR, he got us out of a pinch by getting 450,000 young American soldiers killed and over a million injured. You are right Rev he should be taken off of the dime. History should be changed to show what he really did and how he got us involved in WWII. Then we followed that with Truman that got another 40k killed and 100k wounded in Korea. Let alone killing 32M Japanesese with the bomb. Then Kennedy and Johnson followed that with another 60K killed and 700k wounded in Vietnam. Then Clinton didn't take care of business and look at the mess we are in today. It seems like war is only a good idea when the Dems are causing the deaths of our loved ones. It seems like the Reps are always cleaning up the Dems bloody messes. Then again they do not believe in the sacredness of life.

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Mon, 11 May 2009 21:49:38 +0000

Yeah, that FDR….man did he screw everything up, huh? Social security and that lame-o FDIC stupidity, not to mention communistic unemployment insurance. I'll tell you who was not to blame for anything, and in fact, their names should be affixed to EVERY public building in America….Hoover, Reagan, and W.

Those three guys knew what in the hell they were doing.

I think we should all vote on removing FDR's visage from the dime. Crippled up old socialist bastard. And just think, lying Democrats have been insisting for decades now that he lifted us out of the Great Depression and led our country to victory in WW2…..lying, propagandistic scum.
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"Untill we change the popular beleif that society and government's primary function is to use compassion as the driving force in alll decisions and behaviour and ensuring that no one is confronted with a negative outcome it is only a question of when we implode from financial ruination."

Goddamn right. The biggest problem facing us today is that our government has had way too much compassion, for way too long. That's why we have so many unemployed and uninsured and falling behind families. Too much wimpy-ass compassion.

Do you know who knows that we are making too many compassionate decisions? Those 100,000 dead Iraqis and those detainees we compassionately tortured. Yep, killed by compassion, they were.

By: Tory Bug

Tory Bug — Mon, 11 May 2009 15:53:11 +0000

jimmyjames, I would've been one of the folks complaining about FDR. There were quite a few of them, including the American Liberty League, formed by his fellow Democrats. He set America on the first steps toward socialism and helped create the mindset that our government needs to care for all our needs. That lead to the evolution of the mindset that the government should be our parents, tell us what to do with different aspects of our lives that shouldn't involve the government in the least.

Obama scared me more than McCain. Both are liberals, but Obama is more extreme. I think anything taken to the extreme creates problems. I wanted to believe in Obama so much, to be honest with you. But he is what he is, and I'm not feeling optimistic about him.

By: roysoldboy

roysoldboy — Mon, 11 May 2009 13:36:43 +0000

King,
I have wondered all through these last months how so many people can't see what is happening and still support The Man so thoroughly. Do you suppose that the media polls are lying to us? I sure don't, since seemingly not one lib on the forums I write on has figured out that Bush has been gone for nearly 4 months. Somehow nearly 65% of our people just don't see what is happening and how fast it has been driven down our throats.

Seemingly these people really do want bigger and bigger government and somehow are willing to accept anything The Man crams down our throats.

By: Da King

Da King — Mon, 11 May 2009 10:05:58 +0000

angryc,
I couldn't agree more. There's nothing wrong with compassion, but when it surpasses logic in formulating policy, it's no longer compassion, it's destruction. We are on the road to destruction. What amazes me is how many in our country are willing to close their eyes to it. How can anyone not see what's happening ?

By: Da King

Da King — Mon, 11 May 2009 09:48:16 +0000

jimmy,
If you can't see that $23 trillion in national debt is FAR, FAR WORSE than $11 trillion in debt, I don't know what to tell you.

I wasn't crazy about McCain, but I voted for him, because I thought Obama would do pretty much what he is doing. I have to say, Obama is managing to exceed my worst fears so far. I didn't think he'd be this irresponsible.

By: averagejoe5

averagejoe5 — Mon, 11 May 2009 04:51:15 +0000

Brilliant ac

By: anghry conserv

anghry conserv — Mon, 11 May 2009 00:36:59 +0000

King,
I share your frustration in warning that our present spending policies will result in this country becoming a third world country. Sadly we cannot seem to move beyond the who is more responsiible and which guy(s) is worse. Untill we change the popular beleif that society and government's primary function is to use compassion as the driving force in alll decisions and behaviour and ensuring that no one is confronted with a negative outcome it is only a question of when we implode from financial ruination. As long as policies and intentions are judged on this criteria our politicans will avoid the real issues and continue playing on the fringes and who can blame them.

By: jimmy james

jimmy james — Sun, 10 May 2009 14:25:23 +0000

So I take it King, who would have preferred to see McCain win, and McCain would have been different than Bush, how? I get the sense that if we were writing together in late 1933/early 1934, you would be writing how FDR is making everything FAR, FAR WORSE.

By: Da King

Da King — Sat, 09 May 2009 15:51:32 +0000

Rev,
Yeah, Bush sponsored the first paragraph in my laundry list of complaints, except that Bush ran deficits every year of his presidency, is responsible for about $4 trillion of that debt I talked about, the recession happened on Bush's watch, TARP funding was passed on Bush's watch, the bailouts started on Bush's watch, Bush added to those unfunded entitlement liabilities, millions of jobs were lost on Bush's watch, and the manufacturing base dwindled further on Bush's watch.

Yeah, other than that, I'm a regular Bushbot. Except that I was against the Iraq war too.

The amazing thing about you, Rev, is that after all these years of posting back and forth, you still don't have any idea where I'm coming from. If you think I believe in Bush on fiscal matters, you must be taking some kind of memory erase pill every morning.

But last time I checked, Bush wasn't the president anymore. Obama is, and he is making it all FAR, FAR WORSE. Stick your head in the sand all you want, but that will still be true. Keep comforting yourself with poll numbers as our country drives 100mph off an economic cliff. I'm sure that will make the impact less painful.

By: Da King

Da King — Sat, 09 May 2009 15:31:48 +0000

joe,
Maybe we won't see $4 gasoline this summer, because everyone's so broke. A silver lining ???? No, not really.

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Sat, 09 May 2009 14:11:12 +0000

The long screed paragraph at the start of King's post was sponsored by the Patriotic Bush administration.

So it goes without saying that Obama is at fault.

Have you asked yourself why 65% of Americans approve of Obama's leadership? Is the answer because Americans have fell under a kind of "Dawn of the Dead" magic spell?

By: averagejoe5

averagejoe5 — Sat, 09 May 2009 13:54:55 +0000

King, Craziness is the word. Here is another one. Oil prices have risen about $20 per barrel and gas has gone up 40cents. 24 cents in one day in my neighborhood. If they want to see another retraction in consumer spending, and confidence, let this hit $2.50 per gallon. Any gains made, which there aren't any outside of Obamaland , will be lost.