I remember several Reverend posts in which he outlined the Bush/Cheney/some not-so-shadowy-conservative-think tank plans to create an attack that would allow them to invade the Middle East.

In fact I believe it was precisely that over-the-top-tinfoil-hat theory that first attracted me to his writings.

If all Bush cared about was invading Iraq….Why did he invade Afghanistan first ?

About that crazy "communist hand-wringing" – what do YOU call it when the government talks about taking over the financial industry, the health care industry, the auto industry, etc ? When the government talks about dictating compensation levels ? When the president talks about a national security force apart from the police and military ? When the government talks about repealing gun rights and instituting policies to counterract right-wing talk radio ? When the government institutes discriminatory policies to favor untions ?

Are those considered liberty and free-market capitalism in your world ?

I know it doesn't matter to those who make up stuff as they go along, but my current Bush-9-11 opinion is that whomever might have known an attack would come in 2001…..AT THE VERY LEAST…..it is true that Bush/Cheney purposely and emphatically disregarded Richard Clarke's, and others, warnings about the immense danger we faced with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda.

We now know why that was the case. Bush/Cheney's foreign policy was, in sum total, Iraq. So, even though Ashcroft quit flying commercial airlines in July of 2001, even though there are still no credible answers to why WTC7 collapsed despite not being hit, and even though numerous other similar observations have never been answered……the main reason why Bush/Cheney missed all the warnings…..was because they were hell-bent, tunnel visioned about carrying out the neo-conservative wet dream of attacking, occupying and building American bases in Iraq from where the U.S. could project it's power over the middle eastern region.

And….I gotta' tell ya'…..this "communist" hand wringing is a scream.

A man could spend hours on that site and never see all the good stuff.

Seems like time for some Nikita Khruschev quotes. See how many sound like the American left.

"The press is our chief ideological weapon."

"All the sparrows on the rooftops are crying about the fact that the most imperialist nation that is supporting the colonial regime in the colonies is the United States of America.”

“We say the name of God, but that is only habit.”

“Stalin acted not through persuasion, explanation and patient cooperation with people, but by imposing his concepts and demanding absolute submission to his opinion. Whoever opposed this concept or tried to prove his [own] viewpoint, and the correctness of his [own] position, was doomed to removal from the leading collective and to subsequent moral and physical annihilation.”

"Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build bridges even when there are no rivers."

"I once said, "We will bury you," and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you."

And Rev, stocks aren't overvalued. They are undervalued. In the next few years, the stock market should go up substantially.

And you just referred to the Congressional Budget Office as one of my "far right links." That's where the figures come from. You're a scream.

I wonder why he keeps comparing now to 1931. It seems to me that the very politics of fear that King wrote about is what The Man is doing. Now Rev, somehow you have got to figure out how that bunch that goes by the acronym of CBO could figure out that this $787 billion bill will cost the country $3.7 trillion by 2019. What do we do for funds during that 10 years while we pay for the bill and fund all the new agencies created to see to the money? Is it possible for someone as far left as you are to see that they are saying the cost will be nearly 5 times what Nasty Nancy and Dirty Harry told us their bill was? Try hard and use a calculator if you have to and then tell me what we do away with to exist while spending all that money for Obama's crisis. I guess we could do away with the military, completely. What else can you think of.

Joe, I don't need any kind of a refresher course about the Communist Party. I have studied that bunch since about 1952 when I was a sophomore in college. Yep, I know what they stand for and when I get a bit fuzzy I just get on the computer and call up http://www.cpusa.org and there they are. I wonder just how many times each week Rev checks in there.

Stocks aren't overvalued. The market always corrects itself when that happens, like when everyone was all crazy over dotcom-type stocks. Remember that?

It is killing me how far to the extreme some of y'all are taking your optimism. Obama is not a messiah. He's a liberal extremist, to the point that he advocates killing babies who are born as a result of a botched abortion (Illinois' version of BAIPA). He's selling out my future and my kids' futures, as I see it. He doesn't care about anything but what he wants. And he doesn't want what I want. My poor grandkids who haven't even been conceived yet are still going to be paying the bill for his mistakes.

Psychology plays a big role, no doubt…..but the stock market has been telling us for way over a year now that we have a crisis on our hands. What Obama and the Democrats are doing is stating the truth…..and at this point in the crisis, that's exactly what Americans need to hear.

Roysoldboy. Go to wikipedia and look up the 10 planks of communism, then report back and tell us how close we are at this moment. We are in the coffin and there are 9 nails in the top.

The trader boys are simply waiting for Obama's team to announce their financial industry restructuring plans….then the DOW will most likely break through 7500 on the way down to, what I predict will be a bottom of about 6500-7000. The stock market, in the present climate, is still way overvalued.

Mark it down.

From one of your far right links….

"The agency projected the Senate bill would produce between 1.4 percent and 4.1 percent higher growth in 2009 than if there was no action. For 2010, the plan would boost growth by 1.2 percent to 3.6 percent."

The CBO projections that your link cited says the stimulus will…ummm….stimulate the economy short term. And it also says that by 2019, the interest on the increased debt would lower GDP by .1%. I think we can take that "risk."

Obama spoke about those who don't think the government should do anything,…..like you do here. His response was that in the face of a crisis virtually as stark as 1931, doing nothing was simply not an option.

http://www.gouverneurtimes.com/forum/showthread.php?t=866

You do know, of course, that Rev Red isn't going to like you talking about this thing being aimed at throwing us into that pit we call socialism. I can't wait to see him comment on what you said.