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The Latest Enormous Government Boondoggle

by Da King on June 6, 2008

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There is no distinctly American criminal class, except Congress. – Mark Twain

As I was watching our distinguished Senators debate the Lieberman-Warner Climate Bill, which has been amended into the Boxer-Lieberman-Warner Climate Bill, I was wondering why it is that such a group of educated ladies and gentlemen can disagree so profoundly about such an issue. Even more curious is how the disagreement seems to follow so closely along party lines. The disagreement I'm speaking of is not about whether man-made global warming is real or not. Most of the Senators from both sides of the aisle speaking yesterday seemed to agree it is real, with the exception of a couple prehistoric bone-waving Republican heretics who dared question the SCIENCE OF THE CARBON GODS (amen). No, the disagreement I'm speaking of is the disagreement over the remedies for global warming (pardon me, the CARBON GODS inform me I am to use the term "Climate Change" from now on, not "Global Warming". The operative words are "Climate Change". That way, ANY inclement weather AT ALL can be attributed to global warming, er, climate change. My bad). Not only do our educated Senators disagree over the cap-and-trade program, they also disagree over whether the Climate Change bill is the biggest new government bureaucracy since the New Deal, which will raise everyone's energy prices drastically, destroy our economy, and accomplish very little in the way of curbing CO2 emissions (the Republican position) – or whether the Climate Bill will save us from extinction, cost nothing, and create jobs (the Democratic position). Talk about polar opposites (hey, is that a pun ?).

So, who is right ? The title of this post might provide a hint. You'll have to read the link to get all of the info, because there is too much for me to write out here.

Nobody quite knows how much the current Climate Change bill will cost (which is a reason to vote against it right there), but here are some estimates:

A study by Charles River Associates puts the cost (in terms of reduced household spending per year) of S. 2191 at $800 to $1,300 per household by 2015, rising to $1,500 to $2,500 by 2050.[2] Electricity prices could jump by 36 to 65 percent by 2015 and 80 to 125 percent by 2050.[3] No analysis has been done on the impact of S. 2191 on gasoline prices, but an Environmental Protection Agency study of a less stringent cap and trade bill estimates impacts of 26 cents per gallon by 2030 and 68 cents by 2050.[4]

Most independent studies have calculated the costs to be even higher than those estimates.

The Democrats solution to everything is to create a huge new government bureaucracy, impose onerous regulations and restrictions on business and/or society, increase taxes, and increase government spending. I have come to believe it is the liberal Democratic modus operandi to interfere with capitalism and free markets as much as possible in order to later complain that capitalism and free markets don't work (all evidence to the contrary). It's their self-fulfilling prophecy, and it is intentional. They've done it with health care. They've done it with business, jobs, poverty, education, retirement. They've used it to destroy the middle class. They use their philosophy to get as many Americans as possible dependent on the government, which in turn forces those Americans to vote for Democrats to maintain the free flow from the government teat. It's a clever and insidious strategy, and the bigger our government grows, the more irresistible that strategy becomes. You aren't supposed to notice that such a strategy ends with the death of liberty. I actually heard Barbara Boxer (D-CA) say on the Senate floor yesterday that if the Climate Change Bill she's co-sponsoring drives up the cost of energy, that's okay, because then we can just increase the HEAP entitlement program to help people pay their higher energy bills. That is dastardly, folks.

Nevertheless, the cause of diminishing CO2 emissions (if you believe they must be diminished) may be one case where some measure of government interference is unavoidable, but we must exercise extreme vigilance with the system we impose. The considerations of energy, environment, and economy must all be carefully balanced. The current Congressional majority wants to do SOMETHING about climate change just so they can say they did something, but what they are proposing IS a boondoggle. It's a huge tax and regulatory bureaucratic nightmare that will send the prices of gasoline and electricity soaring at a time we can least afford it. The current bill will probably be voted down, but the issue isn't going away. Regardless of which Democrat wins the presidency in november, Obama or McCain, expect the Climate Change bill to return with a vengeance next year, because both Obama and McCain favor cap-and-trade (Bob Dole, will you please send McCain a nasty e-mail ?). We the people had better keep a close eye on Congress and get involved, or we'll soon be looking back on today as the good old days of low energy prices. I don't think anyone wants that.

  • roysoldboy

    King this is a bit off topic but you need to read the transcript of the Glenn Beck show tonight. His guest was old Libertarian nominee, Bob Barr, and that party is without a candidate. Barr is really something and never will get anything like the votes that they polled in 2004. He is a crazy, wild man, especially on foreign affairs.

    Now on topic let me say that you have hit the whole bunch right between the eyes. It is very obvious that they really do believe that they will need to act like fools to get re-elected whenever that happens.

  • The Reverend

    "I have come to believe it is the liberal Democratic modus operandi to interfere with capitalism and free markets as much as possible in order to later complain that capitalism and free markets don't work (all evidence to the contrary). It's their self-fulfilling prophecy, and it is intentional. They've done it with health care. They've done it with business, jobs, poverty, education, retirement. They've used it to destroy the middle class. They use their philosophy to get as many Americans as possible dependent on the government, which in turn forces those Americans to vote for Democrats to maintain the free flow from the government teat."

    How is it that the Democrats interfered in the health care market?

    20 out of the last 28 years we have had GOP bully pulpit presidents. Taxes have never been cut so deep, especially on the most wealthy. Union membership is at an all time low. Globalization has been unimpeded. Big business never so favored.

    Somehow, that equates into Democrats destroying the middle class.

    You're saying, just so I understand, that Democrats want Americans dependent on the government? And so they come up with programs that not only make people dependent on government, but also, make them into Democratic voters? So, it's not really governance, it's just one big Democratic voter drive?

    That's some twisted way of thinking.

    So when Democrats advocate for any social program, what they're really doing is trying to expand the Americans-hopelessly-dependent-on-government program to add more Democratic voters to the rolls?

    I would be interested in hearing, outside of welfare and food stamps, what programs you are talking about.

    Are 50 million Democratic voters all dependent on government now?

  • roysoldboy

    Oh me Red, you have hit the nail on the head when you said the following: "So when Democrats advocate for any social program, what they're really doing is trying to expand the Americans-hopelessly-dependent-on-government program to add more Democratic voters to the rolls?

    I would be interested in hearing, outside of welfare and food stamps, what programs you are talking about."

    How did you manage to get all that in so few words?

  • roysoldboy

    King, the odious bill was voted down yesterday according to what some of the libs on kestrel say. They lacked 12 votes of having the necessary 60 to vote down the Republicans' declared filibuster. I guess they will be waiting till next year hoping they take complete control of both the executive and legislative branches.

    Can you imagine how much the power companies will add onto our bills with that thing a law? Our main power company is asking for a nearly10% raise on electricity for the whole state and I think it is basically because they didn't get to build their proposed two coal burning power plants. They don't get their way but they ask for the very raise in price they would have asked for to pay their cap payment. It is a real merry-go-round game that is played with us because our Democrat governor vetoed every fool bill they came up with. Now they want us to pay what we would have paid had they got their way. I am surely hoping that Obama takes her instead of Hillary for his VP candidate so our reformed Republican Lt. Governor can have the seat.

    Politics is the funnest game in town.

  • Da King

    Roy,
    I was really disappointed that the Libertarians nominated Bob Barr. I've been out of the LP loop lately, but I don't see how running Barr is anything but a step backward for them. I assume they did it because Barr has a little name recognition. As for me, I still miss Harry Browne. RIP, Harry.

  • Da King

    Rev,
    Did you really just ask me how the Dems have interfered in the health care market ? Is that some kind of joke ? I guess I'll give a short answer on the off chance that you are really serious.

    Nearly half of the health care market is run by the government and price controlled by the government. It's known as Medicare. That drives up the prices for everyone else. That's one of the 10 or so ways the Dems have interfered with the health care market. Remember how inexpensive health care was relative to today before all the Dems "help" ?

    Taxes are NOT low, Rev. Taxes are sky high. Government spending is sky high. Our unfunded liabilities reach beyond the sky. Our corporate tax rates are second highest in the world. Entitlements will soon consume the ENTIRE federal budget. And Dems are looking to increase government more and more and more. What country do you live in ? It can't be this one.

    "So when Democrats advocate for any social program, what they're really doing is trying to expand the Americans-hopelessly-dependent-on-government program to add more Democratic voters to the rolls?"

    Bingo ! Give that man a cigar. The Dems dream scenario is to have government administrate our entire lives and control all our money. Then Dems retain ultimate power to play their social engineering games. Btw, they are about 40% of the way there already, with huge plans for government expansion in the wings. I'd think you of all people should understand this Rev, since blacks were among the Dems first victims. Dems made them dependent and destroyed black families in the process. Generational welfare, enduring poverty, high crime rates, illegitimacy…these are the fruits of the poisoned Dem tree….and blacks remain a solid Dem voting bloc. It's just as I said.

    "Are 50 million Democratic voters all dependent on government now?"

    Pretty much.

  • The Reverend

    Pretty ugly comment there, King.

    The same "generational welfare, enduring poverty, high crime rates, illegitimacy" that you associate with blacks, through your peculiar example,……can also be said of many more whites and specifically Appalachians.

    And the main reason why these social programs are necessary is not because Democrats want to set up some voter dependency thing…..it's because the greedy freaking capitalists have taken all the good jobs away from the poorer working class. Offshored millions of basic manufacturing jobs because they could.

    Now, it is true there will always be a small-in-number element that simply will be a drag on society, and for no good reason.

    But even these folks don't take as much away with them collectively, as all the fattest of billionaires take each year.

    Picking on the less fortunate, the addicted, the misbehaved, the lazy is all very pharisaical. Stating that the Democratic Party keeps these people down so they'll continue to vote for their party is like stating that Jesus helped the weak, the sinners, the whores and the miserable so that they would vote for him for most popular Messiah.

  • larry d.

    How is Obama going to stop the bleeding as far as manufacturing jobs going overseas? By seizing corporate profits?

  • Da King

    Nothing ugly about my comment. Just the truth. And pointing out other groups that are poor doesn't change ANY of what I said, but I can certainly understand your attempt at misdirection. You know what I said about the effects of Dem policy are true. Everyone knows. Everyone has always known.

    And those "greedy freaking capitalists" you speak of many not be the equivalent of Mother Teresa, but they DO have to make a profit to stay in business. Dem policy has done everything possible to drive those jobs away by setting up business as the enemy and attempting to place more and more and more burdens on business, until it can no longer be competitive. Then the idiotic Dems act like business is to blame when it relocates elsewhere to stay in business. It's quite dishonest, and a certain recipe for failure, which results in poverty (and dependency on Dem government handouts. Voila !). Dems are much more the enemy that business EVER was. Business is what creates wealth in this country. Dems take it away.

    And if a CEO makes $10 million per year while providing a decent living for his 50,000 employees and giving people the products and services they desire, it isn't any of your concern, unless maybe you want to give him a medal for being a great example of american success and initiative. Profit is NOT evil. Profit provides wealth, which provides jobs. Dems provide propaganda, in order to acquire power, like I said.

    I forgive you for equating the Democrats, who are lying, power hungry thieves and tyrants (the left wing ones, anyway), with Jesus. Did you know liberals give FAR less to charity than conservatives do ? Libs are generous with OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY, not their own. Like I said, thieves.

    And I didn't pick on anybody except Democrats.

  • Da King

    larry,
    Obama isn't going to stop ANY jobs from going overseas. He's going to encourage more to go with wrongheaded liberal policy, which is a large part of the reason the jobs left in the first place. Look how much it costs a company like GM per hour per employee to keep manufacturing jobs in this country. About a year ago, it was around $75 per hour for basic blue collar jobs. It's probably even higher now. That isn't maintainable. That's almost $150K yearly for labor. That's why jobs leave. It's directly trackable to Democrat policy, which mandates all kinds of burdens on business. The way I look at it, it would be much better to have jobs that would only cost the company $35 per hour, so the jobs could actually exist.

    Since the Dems can't admit they have screwed up the business environment so badly with all their burdens, they demonize business instead and talk about moronic things, like taking profits away, and how corporations are E-V-I-L. It's simply inane policy.

  • The Reverend

    Not seizing profits.

    My goodness….I thought you conservatives believed in incentivizing. Must not.

    You incentivize the gawd damn corporations until it's in their best interests to keep jobs here.

    You disincentivize those who don't.

    Rocket science, it ain't.

    And King….You're not getting it. Taxes have been cut, repeatedly, for 7 years. Look at our financial situation now. I don't think you have a leg to stand on here. Tax cuts for the powerful do not equate into a better financial situation for working families. They just don't. It might all sound like it should work……but just like with multi-level marketing schemes…..it never does.

  • Da King

    It's like I'm speaking Chinese.

    For the last time, Rev, CORPORATE TAXES HERE ARE THE SECOND HIGHEST IN THE WORLD. What incentive does that provide business with, other than to RELOCATE, LAYOFF, SUPPRESS WAGES, AND INCREASE PRICES ???

    You're right. Rocket science it isn't, but liberals NEVER get it. Liberals think the object is to send the most of our money possible to Washington D.C., so our most infinitely wise masters like Barack Obama can determine how and when to dribble it back to us slaves down here on the plantation. Yassuh, massuh is sho' wise and good.

    No thanks.

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