Comments on: The First Principle Of Conservatism http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/06/01/the-first-principle-of-conservatism/ Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:17:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Da King http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/06/01/the-first-principle-of-conservatism/#comment-3645 Da King Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:46:39 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/?p=175#comment-3645 larry, The only dual narrative derives from the Rev's denial of the obvious facts. He creates a fictional world, like someone with multiple personalities does when they can't cope with the truth. larry,
The only dual narrative derives from the Rev's denial of the obvious facts. He creates a fictional world, like someone with multiple personalities does when they can't cope with the truth.

]]> By: Da King http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/06/01/the-first-principle-of-conservatism/#comment-3644 Da King Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:43:23 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/?p=175#comment-3644 Tom, Is there some logical reason that we can't both lessen demand AND increase the domestic oil supply ? The idea is to get away from dependence on people like the Saudis and Chavez, isn't it ? I heard Dems in the Senate today making the argument that domestic drilling won't supply all the oil we need, so we shouldn't bother, as if that's an argument. It really isn't any kind of argument at all. Increasing the domestic oil supply will help. Reducing demand will help. Alternative energy sources will help. We should be doing all that stuff. We aren't switching off of oil next week, next year, or even in ten years. The Dems are damaging national security, and have been for decades. And the 80's oil glut predates Bush Sr. It goes back to Reagan. Tom,
Is there some logical reason that we can't both lessen demand AND increase the domestic oil supply ? The idea is to get away from dependence on people like the Saudis and Chavez, isn't it ? I heard Dems in the Senate today making the argument that domestic drilling won't supply all the oil we need, so we shouldn't bother, as if that's an argument. It really isn't any kind of argument at all. Increasing the domestic oil supply will help. Reducing demand will help. Alternative energy sources will help. We should be doing all that stuff. We aren't switching off of oil next week, next year, or even in ten years. The Dems are damaging national security, and have been for decades.

And the 80's oil glut predates Bush Sr. It goes back to Reagan.

]]> By: larry d. http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/06/01/the-first-principle-of-conservatism/#comment-3633 larry d. Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:14:30 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/?p=175#comment-3633 "A true facts narrative." That's the kind of talk that makes you Obamatons seem dangerous. "A true facts narrative." That's the kind of talk that makes you Obamatons seem dangerous.

]]> By: The Reverend http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/06/01/the-first-principle-of-conservatism/#comment-3629 The Reverend Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:51:09 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/?p=175#comment-3629 larry: Nope. The dual narrative stuff I'm talking about is new and different. In real time there is a false facts narrative and a true facts narrative. Sure, there can be dual interpretations of history....but not dual sets of facts. The Rove machine, as well as others, insist on having their own facts. Then they spin their own unique set of facts, that aren't. Like the Plame case. larry: Nope. The dual narrative stuff I'm talking about is new and different. In real time there is a false facts narrative and a true facts narrative.

Sure, there can be dual interpretations of history….but not dual sets of facts.

The Rove machine, as well as others, insist on having their own facts. Then they spin their own unique set of facts, that aren't. Like the Plame case.

]]> By: Tom http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/06/01/the-first-principle-of-conservatism/#comment-3615 Tom Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:56:31 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/?p=175#comment-3615 [quote Da King]As for "letting loose the oilmen", that's as laughable a comment as I've read in awhile, considering how the Dems have strapped down the oilmen and prevented our country from developing domestic sources of energy from the 70's forward. Blaming growing foreign oil dependence on the GOP is some trick. Dems should be in jail for that crime against our nation. Btw, gas prices dropped for six straight years under Reagan. Go to work on your spin and maybe you can figure out a way to give credit to the Dems for that too. [/quote] Drilling in the Alaska Wildlife Reserve and off the coast of Florida will not make nearly the difference in the oil supply/demand as will the efficiency standards that were passed a few months ago. ... When old Bush was in the White House, he conspired with the Saudis to pump more oil than their OPEC quota to intentionally drive the price down. That was a way to weaken the Soviet economy, which was dependent upon oil exports. That is why there was a temporary glut in the oil supply. It ultimately led to more depletion of resources and put us into a horrible state in this century. The high price of gasoline is destroying parts of our economy and causing this recession. The trade imbalance is destroying the value of the dollar. [quote Da King]As for "letting loose the oilmen", that's as laughable a comment as I've read in awhile, considering how the Dems have strapped down the oilmen and prevented our country from developing domestic sources of energy from the 70's forward. Blaming growing foreign oil dependence on the GOP is some trick. Dems should be in jail for that crime against our nation.

Btw, gas prices dropped for six straight years under Reagan. Go to work on your spin and maybe you can figure out a way to give credit to the Dems for that too.
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Drilling in the Alaska Wildlife Reserve and off the coast of Florida will not make nearly the difference in the oil supply/demand as will the efficiency standards that were passed a few months ago.

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When old Bush was in the White House, he conspired with the Saudis to pump more oil than their OPEC quota to intentionally drive the price down. That was a way to weaken the Soviet economy, which was dependent upon oil exports.

That is why there was a temporary glut in the oil supply. It ultimately led to more depletion of resources and put us into a horrible state in this century. The high price of gasoline is destroying parts of our economy and causing this recession. The trade imbalance is destroying the value of the dollar.

]]> By: larry d. http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/06/01/the-first-principle-of-conservatism/#comment-3609 larry d. Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:00:33 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/?p=175#comment-3609 The dual narrative vision of reality is pretty simplistic, Reverend. It's an awful lot like good vs. evil, black vs. white and all those other dualisms you were supposed to transcend when you gave up the pulpit. The dual narrative vision of reality is pretty simplistic, Reverend. It's an awful lot like good vs. evil, black vs. white and all those other dualisms you were supposed to transcend when you gave up the pulpit.

]]> By: Da King http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/06/01/the-first-principle-of-conservatism/#comment-3607 Da King Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:11:28 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/?p=175#comment-3607 Rev, You didn't cite even one fact, you just made up a story, but... I KNEW you could do it. Hurrah ! You have spun things so badly that you now even blame Reagan for hurricane Katrina and $4 gas. Congratulations. Insanity rules. There really is no sense in talking to you further, just as there would be little sense in talking politics to the Unabomber. Rev,
You didn't cite even one fact, you just made up a story, but…

I KNEW you could do it. Hurrah ! You have spun things so badly that you now even blame Reagan for hurricane Katrina and $4 gas. Congratulations. Insanity rules.

There really is no sense in talking to you further, just as there would be little sense in talking politics to the Unabomber.

]]> By: The Reverend http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/06/01/the-first-principle-of-conservatism/#comment-3603 The Reverend Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:31:20 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/?p=175#comment-3603 Up is down and black is white. Many times I have pointed out the existence of dual narratives. One is true and one is false. You have chosen to believe in the false one. I suppose it's because of your faithfulness to your own belief system. That's fine. I have chosen to follow the true narrative. Reagan is seen by conservatives as a god. The facts prove that Reagan hurt America, hurt the working class, and set us on a path that has led directly to incidents like Katrina, and 4 dollar gas. Was Reagan a maniac like Junior? No. That doesn't change what he did. Reagan's influence led directly to, as one of the other commenters mentioned, the necessity of both members of a household having to go to work in order to maintain their standard of living. When Reagan had to deal with the problem of high energy costs....his finger-in-the-dyke solution proved his lack of leadership skills. When he could have been responsible for a historic shift towards independence....he chose to enrich the sharks and the greedy.....and now we are all living with the tragic results of that leadershp failure. Bush, the Elder, and Clinton weren't much better, either. Bush, the Maniac, personifies the running to ground, or running into the ground, of Reagan's poor choices. It's simply the facts. Up is down and black is white.

Many times I have pointed out the existence of dual narratives. One is true and one is false. You have chosen to believe in the false one. I suppose it's because of your faithfulness to your own belief system. That's fine.

I have chosen to follow the true narrative. Reagan is seen by conservatives as a god. The facts prove that Reagan hurt America, hurt the working class, and set us on a path that has led directly to incidents like Katrina, and 4 dollar gas. Was Reagan a maniac like Junior? No. That doesn't change what he did.

Reagan's influence led directly to, as one of the other commenters mentioned, the necessity of both members of a household having to go to work in order to maintain their standard of living.

When Reagan had to deal with the problem of high energy costs….his finger-in-the-dyke solution proved his lack of leadership skills. When he could have been responsible for a historic shift towards independence….he chose to enrich the sharks and the greedy…..and now we are all living with the tragic results of that leadershp failure.

Bush, the Elder, and Clinton weren't much better, either. Bush, the Maniac, personifies the running to ground, or running into the ground, of Reagan's poor choices.

It's simply the facts.

]]> By: Da King http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/06/01/the-first-principle-of-conservatism/#comment-3594 Da King Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:45:16 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/?p=175#comment-3594 larry, I didn't see your comment until I had already responded to frank and the Rev. I repeated some of the same things you said. Sorry about that. If Obama is the next McGovern, at least we won't have to worry about the bad effects of his policies. larry,
I didn't see your comment until I had already responded to frank and the Rev. I repeated some of the same things you said. Sorry about that.

If Obama is the next McGovern, at least we won't have to worry about the bad effects of his policies.

]]> By: Da King http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/06/01/the-first-principle-of-conservatism/#comment-3593 Da King Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:42:21 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/?p=175#comment-3593 Rev, You're just being totally partisan and mostly inaccurate, as usual. As for "letting loose the oilmen", that's as laughable a comment as I've read in awhile, considering how the Dems have strapped down the oilmen and prevented our country from developing domestic sources of energy from the 70's forward. Blaming growing foreign oil dependence on the GOP is some trick. Dems should be in jail for that crime against our nation. Btw, gas prices dropped for six straight years under Reagan. Go to work on your spin and maybe you can figure out a way to give credit to the Dems for that too. As for deregulation, Carter and Clinton did as much deregulating as Reagan did, and probably more. Not that the facts ever get in your way. I have never met any one person who so consistently gets the facts as wrong as you do. Do you do it on purpose, or have you been THAT misled by the likes of Greenwald, Digby, and company ? It's really quite phenomenal. Rev,
You're just being totally partisan and mostly inaccurate, as usual.

As for "letting loose the oilmen", that's as laughable a comment as I've read in awhile, considering how the Dems have strapped down the oilmen and prevented our country from developing domestic sources of energy from the 70's forward. Blaming growing foreign oil dependence on the GOP is some trick. Dems should be in jail for that crime against our nation.

Btw, gas prices dropped for six straight years under Reagan. Go to work on your spin and maybe you can figure out a way to give credit to the Dems for that too.

As for deregulation, Carter and Clinton did as much deregulating as Reagan did, and probably more. Not that the facts ever get in your way.

I have never met any one person who so consistently gets the facts as wrong as you do. Do you do it on purpose, or have you been THAT misled by the likes of Greenwald, Digby, and company ? It's really quite phenomenal.

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