Comments on: Shredding The Constitution

By: Da King

Da King — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:54:05 +0000

Which Florida vote count did Al Gore win in 2000, Rev ? There were several.

And it was the Supreme Court who voted 7-2 for a violation of Equal Protection that stopped the vote, a correct ruling since not all Florida counties were counting votes the same way. It wasn't "Conservatives" who did it. After that, Gore stopped appealing and conceded. Nice try.

Yes, I see the problem. It's in your mind.

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:01:57 +0000

Of course, what I was pointing out was the duplicity in the rhetoric of conservatives over this "count the votes" issue.

Conservatives were supportive of STOPPING the vote count when STOPPING the vote count meant their candidate won.

Now these same conservatives want to count the votes in an OPPOSITION political election even though that election was publicly understood, ahead of time….wouldn't count.

Evidently these conservatives want me to believe that they have a genuine concern for all Democratic primary votes to count.

See the problem?

By: Da King

Da King — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 21:35:09 +0000

sincere,
The Rev must not understand the word "disingenuous", because I'm very, um, "ingenuous" about this. The Rev is using the old and tired 'attack the messenger' tactic. It's the last refuge of those who don't have a leg to stand on.

He must not understand the words "ironic" or "hypocrite" either, because he's complaining about alleged disenfranchised voters in the year 2000 at the very same time he's advocating in favor of disenfranchising 2.3 million voters this year. Hello ?

Logic is not his strong suit.

By: Da King

Da King — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 21:27:46 +0000

David,
Actually, what I wanted was re-votes in both states. If that couldn't be done, I would have wanted a re-vote in Michigan and the Florida delegates seated, since both candidates were on the ballo there. Hillary didn't campaign in Florida either. The LAST thing I wanted is for 2.3 million votes to not count. That should be unacceptable in this country.

But now the DNC has worked their grand compromise, and Florida and Michigan voters count as 1/2 persons. Still not very Democratic, is it ?

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:03:10 +0000

Well…..how about the word 'lie'..then? How about that word?

Those Republican voters, acting as if they are patriotically offended by the opposition's primary rules, are simply lying about being offended. They simply want the weaker candidate, Hillary…..or they want to help divide the Democratic Party…or both.

Is that sincere enough?

I know I'm intelligent enough to use three letter words.

By: sincere

sincere — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:10:13 +0000

I am so sick of that word, "disingenuous"—I think most people that use it are unaware of its true meaning and use it to sound intelligent to themselves.
How disingenuous of them.
It means "against being sincere". As in, not genuine.
Like, Obama's apologies are disingenuous. See-through—calculating, phony— a real-turnoff.

By: David

David — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 08:25:27 +0000

King - my bad, I got the states mixed up. But Obama didn't think the votes would count so he didn't campaign there in any meaningful way like he did in nearly every other state that counted.

I know you've heard these arguments before. If you cannot see this was a flawed election then I don't know what to tell you.

You want Michigan to count when Obama wasn't on the ballot? And you want the Florida election to count when Obama (its been well documented his campaign largely ignored the state and many voters thought it wasn't going to count? C'mon.

Again, you are calling for a severely flawed election to count. Many international election watchdogs would find major problems with counting those votes, and I say that in all seriousness.

By: larry d.

larry d. — Sat, 31 May 2008 21:58:26 +0000

Good point, angry c. If these parties are operating with public funds, maybe they shouldn't be able to undercut the democratic process whenever they feel like it.

Nice try Reverend and you can repeat it until the cows come home, but the issue has revealed you to be more deluded by Obama than you ever were by religion.

By: angry conserv

angry conserv — Sat, 31 May 2008 18:44:44 +0000

To me the bigger issues are the fact that the two parties have created a system of laws and regulations that make it almost impossible for any other party to grow and threaten their stranglehold on the system. The second is why in the hell should the taxpayers have to pay for the parties primaries etc?

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Sat, 31 May 2008 15:46:50 +0000

All disingenuous. All of it.

The Democratic political party has the Constitutional right to do what it's doing.

In 2000 conservatives could have cared less about disenfranchising voters in Florida. In fact, thanks to Cruella Deville Harris, Democratic voters were systematically targeted for disenfranchisement. The Supremes nailed the voter disenfranchisment coffin lid shut.

The ends justify the means with the GOP. Those in the GOP are simply, and only, seeking to control the ends, a Hillary nomination she hasn't earned, by any means. In this particular case the means comes across as deep concern for Florida's Democratic voters.

Disingenuous. All of it.