Comments on: Rewriting History, Obama-Style

By: Da King

Da King — Sun, 18 May 2008 15:12:34 +0000

Roy, I think you are exactly right about why Obama says he won't meet with Hamas. It's all about the Jewish voters. Obama said "they [the GOP] are trying to fool you" about Obama's foreign policy, but Obama is the one attempting the fooling. The GOP is just pointing out Obama's stated positions. Obama is in full spin mode, and he sounded very foolish during that foreign policy speech and the following press conference. The dummy even condemned Bush for endorsing democracy in Palestine and Iraq. How does an American running for president condemn DEMOCRATIC REFORMS ??? Holy moly. Looks like Obama is going to reverse a 230 year old policy of America promoting democracy if you take him at his word. He's a rookie politician, literally making it up as he goes along. I just hope somebody notices before it's too late. All this unexaminded messiah hero worship jazz has gone on for far too long.

But I guess to a liberal, I'm a racist for mentioning it.

By: roysoldboy

roysoldboy — Sun, 18 May 2008 00:48:18 +0000

King I think that Obama thinks he can fool Jewish voters into believing that he doesn't want to dispense with Israel. That is probably why he says he won't meet with Hamas leaders. Surely his campaign knows how silly this sounds but somehow they want to fool Jews into voting for him/

By: roysoldboy

roysoldboy — Sun, 18 May 2008 00:45:06 +0000

***And specifically with foreign leaders whom Commander Guy wouldn't meet with. That's "substantive".***

That is pandering and nothing more. The problem is that he is pandering to Americans who don't know the difference so they think his promises of hope and change mean talking to those people who want us dead.

By: Da King

Da King — Thu, 15 May 2008 16:13:39 +0000

Vince,
I give it a go about why Obama got trounced in WVA, a state that is no enemy to Democrats (think Byrd and Rockefeller). These are not in any particular order.

1) Jeremiah Wright/Obama's radical church.
2) Elitism from Obama/Bittergate. If there's one thing WVA isn't, it's elitist.
3) Mrs. Obama denigrating america and americans. This ties in with #2.
4) Low black population in WVA.
5) Hillary is more strongly backed by unions, and WVA is a union state.

Did I leave anything out ? I'm sure I did.

By: Da King

Da King — Thu, 15 May 2008 16:03:08 +0000

Oh Rev,
Obama SPECIFICALLY said he would NOT meet with Hamas (who was elected by the Palestinians). How is that not a contradiction of Obama's own previously stated polcy of meeting with our enemies with no preconditions ? You keep dancing around the facts here, but as larry pointed out, just because YOU say it doesn't make it true. There are still facts out there that totally refute you. You may be correct in your own (???) mind, but you sound pretty silly to the rest of us.

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Thu, 15 May 2008 12:38:51 +0000

roy: "reading his crap"? I'm crushed. roy, I know that you know what I've been writing over the years has mostly all been true or has come true. You know that.

larry and roy: The "substantive information" is that Obama has specifically said he will meet with foreign leaders. And specifically with foreign leaders whom Commander Guy wouldn't meet with. That's "substantive".

Now I'll admit that if you want to parse Obama's two comments, you can….I know I could….but that's not the point really, is it? Simple gotcha stuff like Russert uses?

However, I see this "discrepancy" in his answers as similar to his San Francisco words about why working class voters vote against their own interests in elections. He was trying to make a significant, and accurate, point on both occasions….and the media blew it up into a gotcha.

The fact is our president should be willing to talk to any foreign country's leader. And the fact is that many frustrated voters do vote for candidates and measures that run contrary to those people's own personal financial, educational and liberty interests.

By: roysoldboy

roysoldboy — Thu, 15 May 2008 00:45:30 +0000

No sir, Larry, Rev doesn't think like you and I do. He just jumps up with his stories about lies coming from the neo-cons, whatever that is, he just rants and rails and goes on his merry way. He doesn't see that he needs substantive information to make his words true and those of others who don't agree with him false. I have been reading his crap too many years not to know him and how he operates.

By: larry d.

larry d. — Wed, 14 May 2008 22:46:55 +0000

You haven't explained how one statement doesn't nullify the other, Reverend. You have just said it's so. There's a difference.

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Wed, 14 May 2008 21:48:07 +0000

Check out the high school education numbers. That's the answer to WVA. 62% voting agreed with the "gas tax holiday".
That's all you need to know.

King: "No preconditions". That means that Iran doesn't have to shut down their entire nuclear energy program before talks can go on. Riidiculous, impossible preconditions like the Bush/Cheney junta imposed because they want regime change.

Then Obama said…"does not advocate immediate, direct or unconditional negotiations"…..the "no preconditions", as I explained, has not been nullified here.

I mean, yeah, you can try to make a huge deal about flip-flopping, unjustly I believe, but the point is still that Bush/Cheney refuse to meet, and there's no argument about that, and Obama will meet. Just as simple as that.

By: Ghost of Vince Foster

Ghost of Vince Foster — Wed, 14 May 2008 15:23:34 +0000

What happened to B. Hussein Obama in West Virginia yesterday does not bode well for the Dims in the Fall.

BO lost by a staggering 41 percentage points against the most detestable woman in America. Amazing.

Do you dim Dimocrats have any expalination for this rejection of poor BO? I do, but let's hear yours first.